Shootings


There have been over 1600 mass shootings since Sandy Hook. What the heck is going on???!!! Are crazy people (mostly young men and women) getting guns from who knows where and going on a rampage? Why???

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According to Jordan Peterson people who go on shooting rampages are possessed by the spirit of Cain (as in the Biblical Cain and Abel). Cain was angry and resentful because God favoured Abel, approved of his sacrifices and he prospered. But God did not look favourably on Cain or his sacrifices and he did not prosper. When Cain complained to God about it God said to Cain something like "It is not for you to question me or the way I have made the world. Look to your own devices." This enraged Cain and was the last thing he wanted to hear. So he went and killed Abel to get his revenge on God, on being, on life, the universe and everything.


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Trust Jordan Peterson to have a completely pointless theory.

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Peterson's theory is far from pointless. Your opinion on the other hand is pointless because unlike Peterson you don't actually make any points.

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Peterson is the latest version of right-wing hype in the right-wing media pretending they have a moral side to them. If you actually read anything he wrote it is silly mush. It is only an extension of the moral majority for those with double-digit IQs instead of single-digits.

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Peterson is a conservative that's for sure although he espouses some liberal views as well. I have listened to his '12 Rules for Life' and watched many hours of his Youtube videos and I can tell you what he has to say is anything but "silly mush". Either you are unfamiliar with his work or you don't (or don't want to) understand it.

Having said that what worries me about the Peterson as the Messiah to a generation of lost young men is that I fear he may be holding out false hope to them. He is telling them to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, take up their cross and drag it up the hill. It is a big ask.


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According to Jordan Peterson people who go on shooting rampages are possessed by the spirit of Cain
JP has never met nor has he ever seen or spoken to any of the shooters and most are dead, so how would he know what possessed them to kill? I'll bet these nut jobs don't even know who Cain is, Jordan Peterson is saying that everyone who go on shooting rampages are the same, when in reality they are as different as snow flakes and have a different reason for doing what they do,

According to Sambow (me) people who go on shooting rampages are possessed by whatever drugs they're on at the time,

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Who is Jordan Peterson and why would his opinion on this be relevant?

You have to ask Quasimodo, he's the maker of this post and quoting Jordan Peterson, I have no idea who JP is and don't care to know.

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Who is Jordan Peterson and why would his opinion on this be relevant?

From Wikipedia:
Jordan Peterson (born June 12, 1962) is a Canadian clinical psychologist and public intellectual, who is professor of psychology at the University of Toronto. His main areas of study are in abnormal, social, and personality psychology, with a particular interest in the psychology of religious and ideological belief, and the assessment and improvement of personality and performance.

From me:
Peterson has recently published a best seller called '12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos' and is currently doing a series of lectures to sell out crowds. He has hundreds of hours of videos on Youtube.

As for why his opinion would be relevant he has made a particular study of totalitarian regimes and so is very familiar with the psychology of mass murder. You can be sure he is not just pulling his opinions out of his backside...


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You're welcome. Peterson isn't literally saying they are possessed by Cain, it is a metaphor. He is saying that they have the same psychological mind set that Cain had when he killed Abel. Peterson also isn't saying that Cain and Abel were real people.

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"DNA testing has shown that all humans descended from one woman and one man."

I don't understand how that could work. It's the chicken and egg conundrum.

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I am interested! Do you recall the title of the NG article, or any words it contained so I could search it out?

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It's not only the chicken and egg conundrum, but also incest. maybe it's true, maybe that's why there are so many people in the world that are nuts.

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There was a good bit on the Bill Maher show about a year about this ... basically the theory was men acting out globally because they can't get laid. The thing is that in this world we have allowed a system where successful men can extort women with food, security, comfort, status, and they rest of men just do without. It is the hierarchical, class based pyramidal society ... maybe came about when the pyramids did. The scarcity of women. So, women are forced to become slaves to rich men, and poor men get the leftovers if they are willing to play along and become slaves.

Look at some of these guys who shoot it out ... INCEL, the buy who said he was mad at women because he could not find a girlfriend, etc. Society is so unequal that it is totally biased so as to make life unbearable for a lot of people, and some of them snap, they go "mad" .... ever wonder why they call it that?

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Jordan is one of those guys who will say whatever makes him popular or infamous. He'd suck a mile of dicks for an hour of fame.

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You know all you do when you use that sort of language is to announce to those who read it that you can't be taken seriously.

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It's alright, I don't take this forum seriously. Do you?

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I do take mass shootings seriously, don't you...?

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I see that you have at least one thing in common with Jordan, dodging the tough questions. Funny thing is, I like the guy but he does like drama.

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dodging the tough questions

Look who's talking...

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I asked you first.

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I would guess that you are one of the old "professional" trolls from the IMDb message boards. I recognise the modus operandi.

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Nope. I tried having serious discussions here but it just attracts trolls and the admin apparently likes it that way so I wrote this place off.

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so I wrote this place off

And yet you are still here...

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You're the most boring troll yet. Bye.

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Not saying its the reason, but I think experts need to look into the connection between psych drugs , specifically SSRI's and mass shootings. There's plenty of evidence out there that suggests teens and young adults taking SSRI's have a higher risk of suicide and violence. It truly makes me sick how quick Doctors in the country are to prescribe this garbage to children. People are always look for a quick fix nowadays.

slimone- where did you get the figure 1600 since Sandy Hook? There are a lot of incorrect stats out there, including the chart CNN released claiming there have been 288 School Shootings since 2009.

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Yes, the rise in youth murder is basically following the rise of overprescribing psychoactive drugs to kids.

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"including the chart CNN released claiming there have been 288 School Shootings since 2009."

That was annoying. They didn't have to exaggerate the number; it's bad enough as it is.

You may be onto something with the overprescribing of SSRIs, and other drugs, like Ritalin.

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I don't believe drugs like Ritalin and Adderall can lead to acts of violence the way Psych drugs can. Unhealthy as they may be, they don't mess with your brain chemistry in the same way. I'd also like to add I'm no trying stigmatize people who take these drugs, just pointing out that they are over prescribed, especially to young people.

https://www.cchrint.org/school-shooters/

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They all mess with the brain/brain chemistry, even if not in the same ways, and are overprescribed. We don't know enough about our brains to be messing with them like this. Worse when it's kids' brains, that are still immature and forming.

I agree, and I'm not stigmatising them either.

Another factor has to be the impact of social media. When most of us were kids, even if we were bullied, we could escape it once we got home -- hopefully! There's no escape for kids now.

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I was on Adderall my Junior year. Let me tell you that stuff was STRONG. Especially the delayed release stuff, which lasts 12 hours. I still have my drivers license from back then to remind me how bad it was.

There are some people with really bad ADHD who benefit from it, but I remember it was being prescribed to many who simply complained of having a hard time concentrate. Not to mention the trading and selling among friends too.

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What did the effects feel like when you took it?

I'm sure there are some people who benefit from it, but for a while, if not currently, it and Ritalin were/are overprescribed. As are most medications. Doctors throw drugs at virtually any problem -- most often bandaids than not -- aided and abetted by big pharmas, who only care about raking in the $$$s, and to hell with anything else.

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Here's the thing, my friend truly had severe adhd and when he took it, it made him calm and normal.

When I was on it, it gave me euphoria, energy and my level of focus was on a whole new level. Cleaning and organizing was actually fun to me lol. This is why people buy it for studying. My teacher mentioned once that I was looking "zoned out." Then the side effects. I had zero appetite and trouble sleeping. I think mood swings too, hard to remember since this was around 2003. I remember flushing it all down the toilet when we had a tug of war thing at school and I almost fainted from lack of food. Fact is, Adderall is basically a combination of different Amphetamines.

I got great grades that year, but it wasn't worth the effect on my health.

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Very interesting, and thanks for responding with your personal experience of it, and your friend's.

Cripes, going by your experience of it, I can see its appeal, except for the minor bits about the mood swings, not wanting to eat, and insomnia!

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My twin shared the same experience you have had with the ADHD medication, Padeen. B was given another treatment which has worked far better but still comes with side affects like slowing down metabolism. Before being on treatment, B had unending spurts of energy, could not concentrate hardly at all, and was prone to fits of anger out of nowhere, made even worse by the first medicine.

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I could probably guess the medication. If its the one of thinking of, they gave that one to me before the Adderall.

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Anyone who reads The New Yorker is alright with me. Hell, it’s getting near the point where anyone who reads is alright with me.

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Most welcome. Literacy, manners, good sense and decency were, once upon a time, taken for granted in our world. Today, they have become praiseworthy. I remember a routine that Chris Rock used to do, where he tells us about someone from his old neighborhood who was proud of never having been sent to jail. Chris’s punchline was, “You’re not SUPPOSED to go to jail!”

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This too makes sense. It's more likely than not to be a combination of factors.

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I read the Gladwell article and found it very interesting. I do think it's a combination of factors, but I also think it's an "other people are doing it, so..." kind of thing.

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Human beings were not meant to live the way most of us live these days, it drives people mad ... and mad is a good word for it, they are mad at everyone. I feel sorry for kids born today, their parents are incompetent for the most part, and they are inheritors of a big mess that the very rich and powerful just play around with capriciously.

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It doesn't help either that many parents are having to work longer for the same amount of pay their parents made in less time due to the rise in cost of goods and services and the value of currency going down. Parents have less time to be there for their family.

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True ... parents, most citizens are extremely shallow because all they see is the nonsense on TV, they experience no real life or relationships. One would think that rich people would make better parents, but often they outsource parenting to nannies and maids, etc. The Bush's were a family famous for juvenile delinquents and scandals with most of their sons, drugs with the daughters, even in rehab. No one wants to say no to these kinds of people. We must change the way our society exists and humanize it. Children deserve so much better, and when nurtured they are smart and honest, hard-working citizens.

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Good points, brux. I'd also like to add that on average, children of wealthier families, tend to get more praise from their parents, who are advantaged with better education, unlike families of poorer financial backgrounds who are more likely to be scorned, shamed, and ridiculed.

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I think praise can go either way .... attention, time, nurturing and support is what makes a difference. When you get into poverty stricken broken families all bets are off. MY SO was a nanny and showed me a lot of things I never thought about on child development and psychology. I often joke with conservatives who ridicule the nanny state, that if they had ever had parents who cared enough about them to pay for a nanny they would be fully in support of the nanny state. Interaction and human stimulation makes a huge difference. It doesn't have to be from the biological parents, but they must understand it to see that it gets done.

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Yeah. I read an article somewhere in the internet noticing that even car design is getting angrier. It represents the state of people's psych at the time. Car companies design their products into more aggresive shapes today because that what people wants to buy.

Cars in the '90s mostly looking like they were smiling or at least neutral. Nowadays, cars look like they were angry and evil and want to bite and kick each others butts.

I don"t know if this is just a fad, cause it doesn't look like it's going anywhere anytime soon. It's a mad mad world we're living in.

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Over 1600? Really?




No.
IT'S OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Do you know if planet Namek has any good vacation spots this time of year?

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actually I think I read/heard that violence is actually down.

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Overall, yes, though I would say that's not the case for some areas of the world's general population. Kind of reminds me of a Star Trek DS9 about the futuristic "Bell Riots", a conflict arising sometime in the 2020s due to the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer reaching a breaking point.

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1,600?? I do not believe that. Where did you get that statistic?



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