All entertainment is left wing?
I notice people many people will complain about movies trying to push a liberal agenda, when that was most likely never intended. Most movies just want to entertain you, without trying to be left or right wing. This doesn't apply to all movies, of course.
sorry but that is definitely not the case, 100% of american films are promoting a liberal dogma.
shareTrue, but, with Trump having the con now it's tenable.
CNN shits can never get set in their chairs now. It's a riot to watch 'em vibrate, move about, remain ashen-faced. Callin' them "Fake News" drives them to distraction.
I am looking at it as a phase Hollywood is going through, artist typically but not always have a tendency to be more left wing and Hollywood has certainly been filled with a lot of left leaning people for years. Since so many like to be the center of attention the activism is a little more blatant and disrespectful of freedom of thought. And creativity seems to be taking backseat to some people's desire to make a point. However in the end Hollywood will go where the money goes, things will change again.
sharedidn't use to be that way though, the artistic risks taken in the golden age are undeniable, so it wasn't always about money.
shareHollywood though has never really been about "art". We wouldn't have had an insurgence of independent films if that were the case. I don't really see how reboots and sequels have anything to do with art, it's about money.
I don't know for sure what leftist agenda you are referring to though. Which movies are you talking about? I do think that an attempt to appease the majority of people could seem leftist, but I'm pretty sure it's to make as much money as they can which seems a little more capitalist of them.
Brokeback Mountain, Selma, Black Klansman, Moonlight, Blue is the warmest color, hidden figures, Green Zone, An Inconvenient Truth, A Few Good Men, Traffik, and many more.
shareSo, any movie that doesn't star white, straight males has a leftist agenda?
I realize that not all of the movies you mentioned fall into that category, but this is the impression I am getting from your comment. If I'm wrong, please let me know.
Wow I divided them up 50/50 between white and black movies and you still find issue with it? 😂
I could list about 500 obvious Liberal leaning movies but only 10 Conservative leaning ones. This is what happens when Hollywood is controlled by Liberals since the age of dawn.
The "white movies" you mentioned seemed to have homosexuality at the core. I am trying to understand your point of view by asking questions to clarify.
I would like to know what a liberal leaning movie is compared to a conservative one.
American Sniper is Conservative to the core, it portrays muslims as being violent hooligans.
Liberal leaning movies like to portray Muslims as being victims of war and the real enemy is the United States.
Gattaca is a conservative movie because Ethan Hawks is born with every disadvantage one can have but through hard work he accomplishes his lofty goals.
If Liberals wrote this movie then Ethan Hawke would be a victim and society would be the villain. Perhaps if it was made today the lead actor would be black and there would be a scene where a group of white kids are bullying the black kid.
Does it make sense now?
Ah. Your explanation of your point of view makes sense now, but I disagree. You realize that the writer/directer of Gattaca isn't American. I would actually consider Gattaca more of a liberal movie as it's kind of a David vs Goliath type story.
Ummmm no every Conservative movie list on google has Gattaca on it. The movie also promotes Christianity and natural birth. Nothing in the movie is even remotely Liberal but nice try.
shareAn opinion isn't really an attempt. That's somewhat the point though isn't it. We see the messages in movies that we want to see.
Yeah but I told you that Gattaca is listed on every Conservative movie list on the internet. You can’t deny physical evidence.
shareI'm not denying it at all. I am saying that when I watched the movie I took a different message or I interpreted the message in a different way. One could say that it promotes Christianity and natural birth. That's fine. I can see that. I also see a story about someone who over came the disadvantages to beat a system designed to make him fail.
My point is that even when a director spells out their intent with a movie, one can still see what is important to them.
Okay so you live in a bubble where facts don’t matter. Best of luck to you sir! 👍🏻
shareWhat is fact? Art is subjective. No where in the film does it specifically say not to genetically engineer your children. It's interpretation. That is not fact.
Just like you have assumed that I am male. Not fact.
This is what happens when Hollywood is controlled by Liberals since the age of dawn.
Or Hollywood is run by intolerant Liberals who won’t give Conservative screenwriters a chance. This seems much more likely.
shareWomen are bad at everything that is why they deserve to be underrepresented in all fields of achievement.
Please, I do not mean this but am poking fun at hypocrisy by an angry woman.
I'm not sure if this is aimed at me or not but it was in my notifications so...
I am really not sure where I am being a hypocrite. I'm asking questions trying to understand a point of view different from my own, while offering my own opinion. I'm not trying to be right, just have a conversation.
I think there is a lot of dishonesty in this thread and I don't know you so I don't mean to accuse you but to point out an example. You said leftist agendas would appeal to a majority. Surely you are aware that whites and heterosexuals are a majority.
Leftism has always been a tiny minority even during the Russian revolution. Less than one percent of factory workers were members of a leftist party and only one percent of those were memebers of what came to be the leading faction. And these were the target demographic! It is not populist as it is made out to be. Donald Trump has has been criticized for populism. Hollywood calls it rabble rousing. They are very much an establishment organ.
I didn't say that a leftist agenda would appeal to a majority of people. I said that trying to appeal to a majority of people could be seen as leftist. Completely different.
Also, in my country, Canada, our furthest right wing parties are more left than your left wing party. So I am trying to comprehend what Americans consider leftist. I still don't really understand what gives a movie a leftist agenda. From what I understand from hippo, unless it's a white Christian male kicking ass its leftist.
wrong, like I said, it was about art during the golden age, then came the horrific blockbuster and that's when it all ended.
shareI'm not sure I agree. Wasn't Casablanca used for WWII propaganda? The Green Berets , The Great Dictator, Battleship Potemkin ?
I think that art, books, and film have always been used to push politics for all sides of the spectrum, both x and y axis.
And after I wrote this I realize that we were talking about money and not politics, so I apologize that I missed the point of your statement. I think that it's much much worse these days, but I also think that studios have always been in the business of making money, not art.
a lot of the best movies ever made never made a cent back, and wouldn't be able to be done today because today it is all about money.
shareIt was Woodrow Wilson who established the propaganda department for Hollywood. It is not all sides of the political spectrum but rather a small clique of Progressive interventionists. 95%+ of Americans were against WWII and it is not by chance that Hollywood favored the views of a small antagonistic minority.
sharePeople see what they want to see, Cake. I'm sure there's a lot of left-wing individuals out there who find the opposite political messages in movies they watch.
shareThe problem here is that right-wingers do not have a tendency to be very creative people.
Part of the liberal mindset is open-mindedness to new ideas, which is a key element of creativity.
Basic psychology, really.
It's what happens in fascist regimes.
There hasn't been a left-wing in the US since the 1930s.... I don't think there's any need to proceed, because you can't have a discussion if people don't know simple political terms.
Enjoy comparing cliches!
I don't know if there's much of an audience for programming about a world run by super rich people, where everyone else is dirt poor. It's kinda depressing. I suppose Altered Carbon qualifies. That's what I imagine a conservative paradise of a future would look like - blessed are the corporations, for they shall inherit the Earth! The story wasn't overly political though. Anytime it might have gotten too bleak and hopeless Takeshi Kovacs did something really violent. Amazing show overall, if you haven't seen it.
But quite a bit of content out there is apolitical. I'm not sure what you mean by all entertainment being left wing. What exactly IS left wing? That usually refers to communists or socialists. And no, Bernie Sanders doesn't qualify as a socialist. Unless you think anything short of pure laissez-faire with no social safety net might as well be straight up Marxism.
everything in entertainment right now is political, anti-Trump, pro gay, pro people of color, etc, everything. I am a libertarian but even I am disgusted by all of this.
shareGame of Thrones. Westworld. Stranger Things. Altered Carbon. The Walking Dead. Bosch. The Man in the High Castle. These are some of the shows I like, and there isn't a lot of politics on any of them. Maybe a bit in High Castle but that's fictional alternate timeline politics so it doesn't really count. If you watch reality shows, or talent competitions, or most action series, you don't get a lot political stuff either. It's all in what you choose to view. Frankly, I'm so sickened by what I see on the news most days that I can only take it in short doses. 24/7 news channels like CNN, MSNBC, or Fox just keep rehashing the same BS over and over - watch for half an hour and you've seen it all.
shareyou are clearly not paying attention, and a lot of those shows are over 10 years old, they predate the current Obama led identity politics of hypocrisy permeating literally everything.
sharePerhaps you should back us up with examples, and more than just one or two. What about the new Death Wish?
sharewhat about it?
shareIs that left wing? Serious question, because I haven't seen it. I don't know if you've seen it either but on it's board it's considered politically incorrect and pro NRA.
shareI haven't seen it and it looks terrible, I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about films were the cast looks like rainbow families, late night being utterly impossible to watch because of anti-Trump rhetoric, petty, idiotic statements like Donald Trump not being invited to the met gala again, Melania Trump not being featured in Vogue, the Obamas getting netflix deals, worthless sacks of shit like Chrissie Tiegen being featured anywhere because they loudly hate on Trump on twitter, I mean aren't you aware of anything?
shareDonald Trump is a vile, pathetic shell of a man trying to fill shoes that are ten sizes too big for him. He has no clue what he's doing. He throws temper tantrums on Twitter like a five year old, I wouldn't tolerate that kind of behavior and disrespect toward other people from my own children while the MAGA hatters want to look the other way and pretend this is normal and okay. I am so damn sick of listening to that absurd seventysomething man-child throwing his little hissy fits!
He isn't even doing the things he promised his own gullible supporters - with a few exceptions, like the stupid wall, that he won't let drop. But his tax cuts were pretty much ALL for the rich. Remember they were supposed to be all for the middle class? This won't be good for me at all ... believe me! Right. The few bones he threw the middle class will be expiring over the next few years. Lots of people will see their own taxes go up next April. All those regulations he's cutting so gleefully were there to protect average Americans FROM big business, so they couldn't rip us off or dump poison in waterways and give your children cancer just to save a few bucks (and you know they would if they could).
Dodd-Frank was the law that was going to GUARANTEE we'd never have to bail out another "too big to fail" bank ever again. Rolling it back benefits big corporate executives and shareholders, and screws over the entire rest of the population. This is right after they took away your right to sue your bank if they treat you unfairly. They can force you into arbitration. And you know who gets to pick the arbitrators? Yep, you guessed it. The bank. Say "Thank you, Donald Trump!" - because he was behind that little gem one hundred percent. I'm frankly out of patience with anyone so stupid they can't see that all his promises (and just about everything else out of his mouth) are hollow, empty lies. We need more, not fewer, people calling this POS out!
Obama was a scumbag and Hillary Clinton is a fraud, that's the whole fucking point, everyone acts like Trump is the harbinger of the apocalypse yet that Uncle Tom destroyed your country and Hillary did nothing for 30 years! You speak of tantrums but the ones throwing tantrums are the worthless liberal celebrities like Chrissy Tiegen that somehow are staples on CNN, and of course, the public, so embarrassing.
shareThey're ALL worthless. The Obama administration are the ones responsible for nobody going to jail for causing the 2009 crash. Not a single prosecution. The fact that our government is now based on bribery and dirty money payoffs like the mafia means the whole bunch works for big corporations and rich donors now. Twenty or so Democrats joined the Republicans to trash Dodd-Frank. Which together with all the other big bank empowerment bills will ensure that the public is going to be bailing them out in another couple of years when they do it to us again.
The whole system is rotten. And I understand the desperation of people to latch onto something, anything, that promises a change. But a con man like Trump? Seriously? That Trump University thing wasn't a legitimate venture that failed you know. It was intended to be a scam from day one. He was going to take money from people and provide a service he knew was worthless - and so would everyone else soon enough, at which point the venture would collapse. He knew this. It was his plan all along. He's a criminal, a lifelong con artist, spinning BS is his only genuine talent.
Frankly, we may have to rise up and overthrow this government to fix things. I'd like to think there's a solution short of that. Maybe if enough of these candidates who refuse corporate money can get themselves elected, there might be. But I'll tell you one thing for sure - Donald Trump is no one's savior. I wish the hell his supporters would just admit they've been conned, and move on to standing behind an effort that might ACTUALLY save them for real.
all I read is bla bla bla bla, worthless. All your criticisms are worthless given the fact that you have just come out of 8 years of a couple of charlatans whose only interest was to become celebrities, and you all took it.
sharealso the way people beg Uncle Tom to come back on twitter, lol beyond pathetic. Newsflash: HE IS NOT YOUR FRIEND.
shareTrump is even less of our friend though. That's the whole point. If you support that POS, you're supporting a guy who's taken everything that was already wrong with politicians and government and cranked the volume WAY up. By the time he leaves office the top of the Washington Monument will be the only thing still above the rising swamp level.
It hasn't escaped my notice, by the way, that you consistently deflect rather than actually address what was said. I haven't used the t-word yet but I'm leaning in that direction since you seem to prefer name calling over substance. Blaming other people is NOT a defense. The fact that Trump alone is not the sole source of our nation's ills doesn't excuse him for the parts he IS responsible for. When you defend a guy like that, a small and petty man with no conscience, you're choosing to make yourself even less than what he is. Is that really what you want?
you are completely wrong, Trump isn't amplifying anything, he makes the corrupt ones look even worse. When Hillary Clinton was babbling about laws that he used to his advantage to get richer he told her, "you've been in government for 30 years, what did you do about it?", he completely eviscerated her. When Hillary was complaining about Trump standing behind her and breathing down her neck it just brought to the forefront how the victims of Bill Clinton must have felt. They want to bring down Trump but they have done much worse. They make themselves look worse, he amplifies THEIR dishonesty, not his.
shareThe physicist Wolfgang Pauli once said about a student's theory that not only was it not right, it wasn't even wrong - because it didn't have enough coherence to make a statement you could dispute.
I have no idea what you were trying to say, but what came out was a puddle of utter nonsense. Did John Gotti only make the rest of New York's criminals look worse by being more ruthless and brutal than any of them? Right. Very enlightening. Things are so much clearer to me now. :)
Nobody's forcing Donald Trump to lie, be a criminal and then try to use his office to lift himself above the law, or betray the American people by selling us out to big corporations and the rich after promising to do the EXACT OPPOSITE and stick up for regular folks. Barack Obama isn't making him do any of this. Hilary Clinton isn't controlling his mind by remote. He's doing all of this himself - Hilary, Obama, and even at this point Richard Nixon, are total amateurs at corruption compared to Trump. You really are lowering yourself to rock bottom by sticking up for that piece of garbage. Why anyone still has an ounce of faith in a guy who hasn't done one single thing to improve their lives is beyond me.
no he didn't, but you are missing the point, Trump is not more ruthless or brutal than Hillary and Uncle Tom Obama.
shareUncle Tom, is it? So you're one of those alt-right Neanderthals. No wonder you don't have two brain cells to rub together. He is more corrupt. It's called an analogy, you don't take it literally. He's like the John Gotti of political corruption, and you're saying somehow that this doesn't reflect on him but on OTHER PEOPLE.
Somehow two people who aren't even in office anymore are forcing him to be a piece of ѕhit. He's a piece of ѕhit all by himself - and that's the whole point. He hasn't made things better, he's made them a whole lot worse. What's happened over the last year and a half is his doing and no one else's.
nobody is forcing him to be anything, people are out of their minds because he is not doing anything out of the ordinary, his predecessors were a billion times worse.
shareEverything he's done has been for big business and the super wealthy. Making money for himself has been a big part of it too. Nobody, Republican or Democrat, has even approached the level of dirty money sleaze we see in Washington these days. Trump has raised the bar to a whole new level. Every department is now run by a corporate lap dog molding policy to help filthy rich billionaires make even more money - at the expense of the American people. But of course you know all this as well as I do.
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