A sad day in Australian history today. - General Discussion Discussion

[–] actionkamen (23176) 7 years ago

Nobody bans different-sex marriages.

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[–] thalia (313) 7 years ago

There is always goign to be temptation n we lways hve to choose whats right.

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[–] actionkamen (23176) 7 years ago

Even Jesus Christ was tempted.

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[–] croft_alice (12180) 7 years ago

The same way of thinking i have in my country,too.Many christians are against this because it's against tradition.I don't know why they don't want to understand that the world has changed.

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[–] Frogarama (12942) 7 years ago

Yep, now you have to go get a gay marriage.

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

But I'd only go gay for Ryan Gosling!

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[–] Frogarama (12942) 7 years ago

That's a good choice. Have you ever considered James Franco?

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[–] Retromogul (1082) 7 years ago

Despite the law protecting your religious freedoms, not forcing churches to marry gays, and not forcing to stop saying you believe in "traditional marriage", how is this topic even related to film?

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[–] [email protected] (690) 7 years ago

While the Name of this site is Movie Chat, it's pretty clear this is a wide-open forum for whatever goes.
In some ways I find it frustrating, but I can see why it's not limited to only movie chat.

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[–] ShogunofYonkers (77424) 7 years ago

Hi Retro and nice to meet you:)
This is the 'General Discussion: talk about anything here' board...film/TV/celebrity boards are at the top of the homepage
The good people of the GD board pontificate, flirt, bluster, call each other assholes and generally mix it up in a fun, no holds barred/no hard feelings way...all topics and opinions are welcome
I hope you stay...you seem 'sparky!'

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[–] Retromogul (1082) 7 years ago

Thanks for the heads up :) I just caught by suprise seeing film related posts and then all of a sudden seeing something about same sex marriage lol.

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[–] brux (14724) 7 years ago

Why should it matter to anyone.
If you do not believe in gay marriage, don't get married to a gay.
People with inconsistent and unintelligent world views always seem
to justify it by calling it something, communist, totalitarian, or some
other insulting names.
You can preach what you want, but why do you have to keep people
who want to get married from getting married and making that
public commitment? What's it to you?

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[–] [email protected] (5871) 7 years ago

I've heard that same nonsensical argument applied to abortion too, i.e. if you don't believe in it, don't have one. How very convenient.

How about I go one further, if you don't believe in murder, don't kill someone! If you don't believe in theft, don't rob a bank.

What a silly argument. There is no such thing as gay "marriage". If two gay people want to live together and have some formal legal commitment, well okay. I'd never want to get in the way of their right to live the way they want in private. My aunt and her girlfriend got "married". I love them both. But it's not an actual marriage in God's eyes.

For those of us who believe that God created marriage as the cornerstone of society, "gay marriage" doesn't fit the bill. Marriage was intended to create families and nurture children who are the building blocks of society. Man and woman complement each other. Two guys giving it to each other up the butt doesn't. Sorry if the truth hurts. But there it is.

I am guessing that you aren't a big fan of what the Bible says. But you do know that it says that sodomy is a grave mortal sin? No "ceremony" which legitimizes sodomy can be accepted by those who follow God's teachings. Now don't get mad at me. Get mad at God.

And for those who think gays are unfairly picked on, those rules about sexual conduct apply to straight people as well, e.g. adultery, fornication, pornography, masturbation, etc. Gays are not in this alone. Most of us struggle with sins of the flesh. We are called to live a chaste life outside of marriage. Those are God's rules, not mine.

Now swell up like a self righteous left winger and tell me I am a Christian fundamentalist. LOL ( FYI, I am Catholic and the Fundamentalists dislike us a LOT)

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[–] Kazak (2187) 7 years ago

Nanoo nanoo. May you be touched by His noodly appendage. Bob bless you, and may Bob bless the United States of America.

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[–] [email protected] (5871) 7 years ago

You really sound like a fool, ya know that?? Well at least you aren't an angry, insulting fool like most of the leftwingers in the USA , just a silly one!!

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[–] Kazak (2187) 7 years ago

You're running around touting your belief in ghosts, gods, goblins, and leprechauns (and advocating policy based thereupon), but I sound like a fool.

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[–] [email protected] (5871) 7 years ago

Kazak---Oh go read a comic book and play with some toys. Uh yeah, you DO sound like a fool!

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[–] Frogarama (12942) 7 years ago

"For those of us who believe that God created marriage as the cornerstone of society, "gay marriage" doesn't fit the bill."

Your personal religion doesn't "own" marriage. Therefore, you don't get to declare control over an entire concept and you don't get to force your beliefs on others.

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[–] [email protected] (5871) 7 years ago

Well I knew my beliefs would hit a nerve with YOU. LOL Actually it's not my "personal religion". The Catholic Church ahs been around for 2000 years and the Old Testament beliefs I mentioned are way older.

But sorry to say, even though it makes you uncomfortable and you want to disregard God's creation, marriage was created by Him as a cornerstone of society. You DO see how well society has been running the last fifty years in the USA with skyrocketing out of wedlock births and STDs as a result of all that fornication going on (straight AND gay)???

How did I "force" my beliefs on others? Did I strap a bomb on myself and detonate it in a crowd? Did I fly a plane into a building? What did I do by "force" except express my beliefs? Good grief, if I were a Muslim I could say and do what I want, including a great hatred for homosexuality and throwing gays off of buildings. But now we don't want to get upset at THEIR beliefs, lest we be called "Islamophobic." Their religious beliefs MUST be respected, right?

Marriage is an ancient institution for the creation and nurturing of children, the cornerstone of society. if you want to bastardize it by making it a legal right to sodomy, well okay for you. I just don't happen to agree. However you should be happy that our Supreme Court is on your side. They also can explain themselves to God when they are face to face with Him. I merely express my beliefs and do not accept that I have to give a thumbs up to sinful behavior.

I merely state my beliefs that sodomy is a grave sin in God's eyes and I cannot condone it. People will do what they want and they will have to answer to God for their behavior, just as I will.

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[–] croft_alice (12180) 7 years ago

Oh god...

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[–] brux (14724) 7 years ago

I can scarcely blame you for having such irrational ideas, your thinking process of equating the state of marriage to abortion, bank robbery or murder, or everything else as some kind of logical equivalency shows you have no idea how to think, or apply logic.

You do seem like a Christian fundamentalist in that you have no real understanding of what religion is, and only your own interpretation of what the Bible you read says. I am of the opinion that God is so far beyond us and "its" ways are not for us to understand. The Bible is not the literal word of God, and you cannot see through God's eyes, no matter how much your greed for power and righteousness compels you to raise yourself above others to somehow make your sins less than theirs.

Honestly, I have no problem with how you want to live your life or how you understand the world, I have a problem with how you seek to gain respect for those ideas, and how you selectively apply those ideas either through hate, or prejudice or just plain ignorance to others. I'm sure it would not matter to you if or whether there are gay people who have no sex just like hetero-couples and just want companionship and the legal rights that should be afforded people whose lives are united.

I walk with God just as much as you do, so your attempt to exert power and authority over others and tell them what mistakes to make is the ultimate sin. Telling others how to learn and how to live is repugnant to any society but your own - meaning it has never worked and doesn't work now.

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[–] [email protected] (5871) 7 years ago

Talk about not being able to think or apply logic to a situation , take a look in the mirror!

I did not state that gay "marriage" is the equivalent to abortion, robbery or murder. I was merely applying the same false "logic" that people use to excuse other behaviors .
It's that "if you don't like something, DON'T judge it, just don't do it yourself and allow others to do it".

It is not just a matter of "not doing something" yourself. If one believes a behavior is wrong, one does not condone it for others while refraining from it himself.
Obviously that was too complicated for you to understand.

"The Bible is not the literal word of God"?? Yikes! So whose word is it? Seeing through "God's eyes"? Where did I say that? However, God did lay down a set of rules for our behavior. When they are too difficult to follow, it's just a convenient excuse to say "well God didn't really MEAN those things in the Bible".

To call me a Christian Fundamentalist only shows that you sincerely have no idea about me. I am a stranger to you, so of course that's not unusual. But forget the labels.
It is not my "interpretation" of the Bible. I have been taught my faith, I didn't just "interpret" it for myself. The Magisterium of the Catholic Church is 2000 years old. Christian Fundamentalists, on the other hand, interpret the Bible for themselves. For instance they literally believe the earth is 6000 years old. I am far away from that line of thinking.

"I have no real understanding of what religion is"?? So pray tell me, what is your understanding of it, besides thinking that you can disregard all of the more difficult teachings when they suit you.

I am hardly trying to "get respect" from the likes of strangers who post here. I much prefer to do what's right in God's eyes.

As for "exerting power and authority", again, yikes! It is not MY authority. It is God's authority. You seem to come from that line of thinking where one disregards what God wants when it is inconvenient. Do you believe in any authority? Do you think the ten commandments are the ten suggestions?

I'll give you benefit of the doubt in that I think you probably mean well, you just don't want to accept authority.

"I walk with God".... I'm guessing at a comfortable distance.

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

For me, marriage does have a biological component, which requires two opposite sexes. It’s like rum and coke. That’s a cocktail. Coke and coke? That’s just coke. Rum and rum? That’s just rum.

I understand that gays want to have committed, legally recognised unions, and “civil ceremony” sounds like a condolence prize, but it’s not marriage.

“Oh just give them the word marriage” you’ll hear, but what comes with that is oppression of those who don’t want to play make believe that it’s marriage. It’s actually offensive to me to see homosexuals have a wedding. They’re defiling marriage, making a mockery of it. Like lesbians, normally one likes to dress as the groom. They’re in drag. Two men? Normally looks like the groom and best man. It’s a mockery and it’s sad that people are meant to pretend that it’s equal!

Bringing kids into it is unnatural as well.

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[–] Kazak (2187) 7 years ago

Boo hoo? Get off my lawn!!!

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[–] Sentient Meat (1509) 7 years ago

The irony is that homophobes probably created the huge number of gay people in the world today.

If they had just let gay people love each other... they would have lived their lives happily in peace, and because they had no conventional means of reproducing, their numbers would have naturally dwindled. Instead they bullied and forced gays to convert, marry and reproduce which caused the trait to grow far beyond what its biological directive intended. Now if you believe heredity plays no part in this, then this wouldn't make much sense, but I think most studies have shown that people seem to be born with a tendency to be straight or gay.

I'd also have more sympathy for those who tout the sanctity of marriage if it didn't have over a 50% failure rate with heterosexuals shitting all over the institution for years. Why is it okay for trash to drunkenly get married at a Vegas chapel, yet not for a gay couple who have been together for twenty years? Why are people offended at only gays but not all the idiots that have made a mockery of marriage by cheating, beating, and lying to each other for years? When I see holy people scolding all the straight people who make a joke out of marriage, I'll be more sympathetic to their worries about gays ruining their institution.

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[–] [email protected] (5871) 7 years ago

"Homophobes probably created the huge number of gay people in the world today."??? With all do respect, WTF?

We have been told for years now that gays are born that way, not created by society.

Who the heck has "forced" gays to marry and reproduce? Are you saying that if gays reproduce they "pass on" a "gay gene"? You just said they were created by society!

But yes, a lot of gay people do marry and have children. It is part of human nature, wanting to reproduce. It's unfortunate that they are overwhelmed by their homosexual desires. Just like straight married people can be overcome by their desire to cheat on their mates. They gotta have variety.

Your last paragraph, I wholeheartedly agree with. The institution of marriage has been crapped on and disrespected. No doubt there are many gay couples who have had long and loving partnerships while many straight people have treated marriage like a joke. It's not okay for "trash to drunkenly get married at a Vegas chapel". No of course not.

Yes many straight people have made a joke out of marriage. It is not a joke. But just because some people disrespect it, does not mean that it is NOT meant to be between one man and one woman.
Gay partnerships, yeah sure. Live your life as you see fit. But there can never be such a thing as gay "marriage". God made man and woman to complement each other. just because sinful, stupid people disregard that, doesn't mean a man can marry a man or a woman can marry a woman.

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[–] Sentient Meat (1509) 7 years ago

Yes, I agree gays are born that way... but all the homophobes would guilt trip the closeted gays into marrying, hence creating an enormous number of gays that wouldn't have been there if they just left them alone. Think of the middle ages and medieval era where such behavior could end in death... of course they'd rather act straight and marry then just follow their natural instincts. This is possibly why there are so many gays. I have no problem with this... they are not harming me... but repressive cultural norms created this situation.

Their homosexual desires have no more effect on your life than if someone likes sucking their thumb or picking their nose. Unless they are forcing it upon you, you shouldn't care what they do.

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[–] captainbucky (15252) 7 years ago

Most married people hate each other

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[–] [email protected] (5871) 7 years ago

sentient meat---- Yeah true! I don't really care what they do. Just a bit of strange irony here, one of my first jobs was as a flight attendant in a little airline with a lot of very conservative pilots. They were so mean and dismissive to the three or four male flight attendants. They automatically assumed they were gay and they were rude to them.

I used to socialize with those guys. They were fun and interesting. I had no idea if they were really gay and we never discussed it. I just didn't care.

I used to harp on the pilots who were mean to them. I told one them, "You know, those guys have feelings too. You don't have to be so rude to them."

Happy to say that some of the pilots came around and accepted them. I guess my posts made me sound like a homophobe. But seriously I am the furthest thing from that!

It's just different when it comes to the issue of gay "marriage". I simply can't endorse it. My faith teaches me that it is between one man and one woman. I feel like I have to choose between my faith and popular culture. So I go with my faith.

I just don't care if any gay couple wants to live together and have a civil union. But my faith teaches me that marriage is a sacrament between one man and one woman. Of course it is up to God to sort it all out. He knows what is in our hearts. I just hate being labeled as some religious "extremist" when I try to follow my faith.

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[–] Sentient Meat (1509) 7 years ago

I respect your religious beliefs and it's good that you were kind to those flight attendants... At first I thought more like you did... why not civil unions, and not marriage. But then I thought of all the trash that was allowed to marry, and I thought well shoot, if they don't have any standards for heterosexuals, why should they pick on the gays?

I see your point of view, and if you follow your devout principles, I can respect that... but sadly as we can even see what is happening in Alabama... a lot of religious folk are simply hypocrites and if they don't follow any moral principles themselves, what right do they have to exclude others?

So that's my main point. I think like any other denomination it will come down to preference... some factions will support it, and some won't... but as far as secular institutions go, I think gays should be allowed to marry and enjoy the tax and insurance benefits of other married partners. I also think a religious faction should be allowed to only honor heterosexual unions and people can decide with their own hearts and wallets.

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[–] [email protected] (5871) 7 years ago

Well I do see what you mean about tax and insurance benefits. A lot of this comes down to "follow the money". If gays want to be in a civil union, well, none of my business. It seems to be another problem of the government sticking its big nose into peoples' lives.

There are tax benefits to being married. So of course, a gay couple would want those benefits too. I think I have more of a problem with the government deciding who gets the benefits than I do with gay unions!

I do agree that straight people have done a great disservice to marriage over the last century. There is a lot of hypocrisy going on.

My aunt and her girlfriend/wife have been together for many years. They certainly have a more stable union than a lot of straight couples. My aunt didn't want to get married, but her girlfriend insisted. They had to get married in an Episcopal Church even though they are both Catholic and pretty devout churchgoers. But trust me, the Catholic Church will NEVER endorse same sex unions.
Sometimes I feel torn in two. I want to follow my faith, yet I want to endorse other peoples' feelings. It is just so hard. I just try to pray about it and leave it up to God to sort out the whole mess (that He created!!)

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[–] Sentient Meat (1509) 7 years ago

I thought Pope Francis has been taking a more liberal approach to things than other popes in the past.

Maybe he already has provided some guidance on this issue. At any rate, at the end of the day... even a pope is just another human being, fallible in his interpretation of the world like any other. I think it is possible to follow your faith and be accepting of others viewpoints. I'm not a religious person but I do know the teachings of Christ and he's almost always more accepting of others than many who exploit His word for profit.

Good luck!

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[–] [email protected] (690) 7 years ago

Respectfully, I'm very skeptical the Holly Bibble is the result of Divine Inspiration.
Why would some god create Free Will then lay out a bunch of rules?
If people are free to transgress, why should I believe these other jokers who think they have a direct line to this god's thinking? They are just as fallible as the rest.
I don't agree the concept of Marriage is "owned" by Christianity. I think you are hung up with semantics. Homos can have committed relationships but can't get married? Do you really think that pisses God off if they do?
My "God" is a compassionate, understanding god, and I suspect homosexual behavior is part of the human fabric - even if I personally have not always been very comfortable about it. But over my life I've met quite a few gay people who seem just as nice and often way nicer than heteros, so I don't wish to rain on their parade.

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[–] [email protected] (5871) 7 years ago

Well respectfully, I do believe the Bible is the result of Divine Inspiration. It is a matter of faith, not facts. I cannot prove my faith to you. it is what I believe and I try to live my life based on it. I emphasize TRY!!! You think I don't consider myself a big screw up? I fail all the time. I just went to confession last week and I told my priest that I get discouraged when I do the same dumb sins over and over.

He said basically, "It's a life long process. Don't get discouraged. Just keep trying."

As for free will, yes I believe God created it so we would have the chance to come to Him freely of our own desire.

Why would He force His will on us? Were you ever in love? Did you ever want another person very badly? Would you have drugged that person into loving you? Or would you not prefer that person came to you from their free will, and that they wanted to sincerely be with you?

God is compassionate and understanding, He must be or else he wouldn't put up with the likes of me!
I don't want to rain in anyone's parade either. Maybe I came across as too harsh. But I have to follow the teachings of my faith. Marriage is between a man and a woman. I just can't change my faith to go along with what is popular and nice.

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[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 7 years ago

Yes, it is a sad day. And it's definitely the new wave of totalitarianism. The Left does this that they can achieve their "socialist utopia" where everyone is exactly the same, and the government CONTROLS every aspect of your life.

We have the same problem here in America.

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

What surprises me about America is that after gay marriage was legalised in a split Supreme Court decision, besides the marriage registrar who didn’t hand out certificates, there wasn’t, and isn’t, any real push to have traditional marriage restored. Most accept that it’s settled law.

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[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 7 years ago

Unfortunately yes. The whole concept of same sex marriage makes me want to puke.

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

You cant call anything a disorder these days. Everything is natural and therefore equal. Homosexuals suffer from many other accompanying mental health issues but the left will tell you that all those issues are simply a consequence of homophobia. I think celebrating homosexuality and pushing for it is actually detrimental to children as they will think that any same sex feelings will mean that they are gay and that they must embrace it!

A kid in 1980 who liked someone of the same sex probably thought “I want to be best friends with them”, whereas now, the kid will probably think that they are gay and that they should therefore “come to terms” with their sexuality.

I even heard that a parent asks their small child “is there any boys or girls you like at school?” They are so PC! But really they are creating confusion for their child. This is the age of confusion.

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