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Why did IMDB shut down its forums?


I think they said the boards had devolved to a point where
they were more harmful than productive. There were always
a lot of useless, silly, irrelevant, hateful, etc ... ie negative
comments on IMDB. So did IMDB just get tired of paying
for it? Were they losing money it?

Is it possible that the movie industry influenced IMDB to shut
down its boards because movie attendance and interest was
going down due to the poor real reviews from real people who
had seen the movies and gave them bad reviews and low
ratings?

There were a lot of comments in IMDB that I felt fairly
sure were people involved in moviemaking or marketing that
were there to make the movies look better, and some to just
jam up the boards to turn people off reading them. Did IMDB
just get an ultimatum that they should shut down the boards
or faceless trolls would descend on it and render then useless?

Can or could the same thing happen here?

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They said the servers couldnt handle the traffic....
AND asshole trolls were not making for a pleasant experience anymore
PSSSHHHH...seemed like bullshit to me
But what the hell do i know?

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They also admitted that the servers just weren't awesome enough to handle all the awesomeness that this world has to offer.

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Ive come to terms with my awesomeness...
Youre awesomness is another matter.. You are a special one Moose
Never forget...be well good friend

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Topeka sucks! Long live Lawrence!

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Thank you Moose
Youre not only fun...youre wise as well

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It had something to do with Amazon buying the site and the boards not making business sense. One of the impediments seemed to have been too many trolls, most of them without high school degrees and living in trailers. I don't know the specifics, but most decisions boil in life seem to boil down to a combination of not enough money and too many assholes, don't they?

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Im pretty sure our buddy RKane doesnt do that...but always a pleasure to see ya' Moose!

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That was bad...

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I like that song.Lol

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That sweet tune plays on an endless loop in my soul
Thx Moose

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The claim that the servers couldn't handle the traffic seems disingenuous considering they also claimed that there were supposedly so FEW users, relatively speaking, that it wasn't worth keeping them open. . .So which is it to be, IMDb?

Both of those excuses sound like fabricated bullshit. "Our servers are overwhelmed" then "There are only a few thousand active users". . .

Also, "cost of running" -- that's BS too. They ran for twenty years with nobody complaining about cost. Amazon bought them out and they are an immensely rich corporation that can absorb such costs.

The reason I most buy into is that that big corporation found the forum contents an embarrassment, and the bad feedback on movies and shows were something they feared could eat into their own profits should it effectively spread word of mouth poor enough to affect audience numbers for the film industry in general. There may also have been pressure from that industry to shut down such a well known hub for brutally plainspoken opinions about their products.

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There are no big businesses that believe in absorbing costs. I can believe that they analyzed the situation and came to the conclusion that there was no financial benefit in offering those boards. The negativity only made that decision easier.

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Well of course that's true, but I do think the negativity played way more part even than the financial considerations, which I don't believe would have been massive. Of course, no big business will keep something going just out of the goodness of their hearts either, but if the negative content hadn't been so large a part I can't help but wonder if they just might have anyway.

I do totally believe that even with all other things considered, it was the sheer amount of vitriol that ultimately made it look like a not-worthwhile thing to continue with, to the powers that be, and an added incentive to close them may even have been the fact that there are increasingly new laws regarding internet trolling and stalking, and although that would be more about the individuals involved, perhaps the platform also may feel concerned about getting dragged into the mud with it too.

I notice that other websites are pulling even their comments sections.

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There may also have been pressure from that industry to shut down such a well known hub for brutally plainspoken opinions about their products.


I think that's the one.

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I think for the following reasons:

1) costs - both with server storage and paying for moderators. It must have cost tens of thousands of dollars.
2) brand - they felt that boards where people more or less troll movies and actors cheapened their professional image
3) hollywood pressure - imdb is like a linkedin for movie stars. Having posts about how horrible the person is in real life or how ugly they are or how they've aged etc wasn't what agents wanted on their clients page. I had heard of actors making the mistake of going to their page and reading what people say.

This page and themoviedb seem to have less trolls and more film fans. It's actually refreshing to have had the trolls cleared out.

I like the functionality of this page better as well. The 'threading' and all those other things got confusing.

The internet started with forums and tweeting or facebooking about a movie is not the same. I'm very glad that this page and themoviedb exist.

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A positive and productive comment!!
I agree with all that you said
Im pretty new here but we do have trolls and socks...tread lightly and watch your six pal:)
MC is great...but there are some jerks and Doxxers around
Be warned...

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Thanks for your reply ITN,

I've worked in IT on servers for decades. You would be really surprised to know how much text commentary can be held on just one disk, and it just gets cheaper and cheaper. I can get a 8 Terabyte, consumer quality disk for just over $100 and I'm guessing but I think the full forums of IMDB would not fill it halfway up, especially compressed. The server quality, mirrored and RAIDed and online backups are not that much more expensive. Set-up is a one time cost if you do it right.

I agree that most of the comments and people on the board were unnecessary. If they had an automated way to delete the trolls the disk space would go down by probably 98%.

IMDB used to have threading, but this site is easier to navigate and find, and I like the yellow highlighting on new comments too. They have done a good job here without too much advertising ... so far! ;-)

I much prefer text-based commenting. I don't care much for Facebook, even though Mark Zuckerberg lives down the road from me! I've always thought text-based is so easily stored and compressed it is far superior ... the subject here is always ideas, and text describes ideas, and plus you can always add a link to an image ... but links go stale at some point.

The fast manipulation of reality is possible with the Internet and tech, and that is what I find really scary. I wish the IMDB had not deleted or purged the old posts. I always thought it would be so cool for a person 100 years from now to go back and to see how people communicated, and how they felt about movies. The historical and anthropological value of IMDB, or the Internet Archive for that matter are huge.

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So you work in Silicon Valley? If text data storage is no big deal these days, I wonder why they were purging boards? I’d go to an old movie and I could only see a page or two of messages, going back maybe a year. It would have been nice to go back and see what people wrote when the movie was released.

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I don't know, it could be the architecture of the code. It is cheap and easy and cookie-cutter to store data, what is not to cheap, but mostly in time and computing power are database queries. It could be that they had no plan to grow and scale their code so they just decided to dump it.

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Because they're a bunch of butt heads.



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Well, they are Amazons...

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Trolling is an obvious reason. I believe the straw that broke the camels back was the Donald Trump board. That alone was enough to "sink" just about ANY discussion boards.
As to whether or not the answer was to shut down everything was like "throwing the baby out with the bathwater".

What needed to happen was to ban certain people permanently. PERIOD!

I know its not exactly easy but its necessary for any orderly discussion.

I honestly think that certain boards themselves needed to be shut down because there was little to no productive material there. Again the Trump Board comes to mind.

Perhaps the person or subject being discussed should have the right to ask IMDB to close certain boards because of irrational abuses.
Remember the abusers need and want an audience. If it becomes apparent that a certain person is contributing NOTHING but abusive material, it should be obvious that they should be banned.
I remember some little snide suggestions from IMDB that I should review the posting guidelines. This happened because I dared to dish back some crap on someone who had done NOTHING but post abusive stuff. I I was being warned for a VERY OCCASIONAL negative posting/ WHY weren't the REAL abusers long gone?
99.8% of my posts were on topic and productive. It seems like they didn't take that into account. NO I was never banned or even limited on anything.

Imdb had silly Posting Quotas which delayed the posting time between postings. For those who got into back and forth battles, lengthen the delays SUBSTANTIALLY...... and Increase if necessary. Give actual warnings and temporary bans for violations and EXPLAIN those violations if people are too stupid. 3 Strikes you're OUT.

These are basically simple things which could have helped to create a better environment.

Sadly IMDB didnt really TRY to take needed steps.
I hope that will not be the case here

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"I hope that will not be the case here"

This is a very good site. We actually have live breathing moderators!

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there are basically 2 real reasons:
1. which is only a minor one, would be that they did not make any money from the forum, yet had an admittedly small amount of costs in comparison to running the whole mega site

2. imdb is owned by amazon and as such they do everything to stop any factor affecting their sales. the forum was a way better indicator for the quality of a movie than any other component on imdb, ergo making it harder for bad movies to get sold. amazon does not care for the catual quality of a film, they are interested in sales and if you look at a rating for example, you usually don't get the full picture. any rating for example, that has less than 10k votes is basically useless, since the studios are hiring shills to vote their stuff up and also because of fanboys mindlessly voting stuff up. this is especially a problem with indie film.

there are a gazillion of films on imdb that look like crap, have a cheesy storyline and overall look like they were done with a 2k budget. not 2k million, 2k. funny enough those films always tend to have an unbelievably high rating, like 8/10 and you look at the screen shots and think to yourself "that can't be true" and are right, it is not.

but it also affects mainstream films, because there are still people who want to know more about a film, before checking it out. the thing with the rating is, that you blindly have to rely on it or take the word of someone who wrote a questionable review. with the forum there was no escape, because not only were you able to check the actual criticism, but also the discussion that comes with it. if a significant amount of posters have the same problem with a film, in most cases there is a reason to it. if they are all over the place then they usually have no ground to stand on.

as for the official reason, that it has stopped being a pleasurable experience, that's bs. there was nothing as awesome as watching a film and afterwards talking about it.

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>> the forum was a way better indicator for the quality of a movie than any other component on imdb

>> there are a gazillion of films on imdb that look like crap, have a cheesy storyline and overall look like they were done with a 2k budget. not 2k million, 2k. funny enough those films always tend to have an unbelievably high rating, like 8/10

I agree with your general gist, but you are contradicting yourself here, no?

I started with IMDB close to when it began, before it was owned by Amazon. It was fun then, but over the long term for every 20 comments or posts I might have made I only got one intelligent response. Mostly people would write angry posts telling others how wrong they were about their OPINIONS. I got to hate that. I was sorry to see it go, but MovieChat is actually better.

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"I started with IMDB close to when it began, before it was owned by Amazon. It was fun then, but over the long term for every 20 comments or posts I might have made I only got one intelligent response. Mostly people would write angry posts telling others how wrong they were about their OPINIONS. I got to hate that. I was sorry to see it go, but MovieChat is actually better."

it depends on the genre i guess. when it comes to more underground movies, i had some absolutely brilliant discussions. some forums were kinda no-go-zones, for example everything superhero related.

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Well said, dotcom. I think you just nailed it.



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thanks, man. :D

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You're welcome!




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We're nearing the one year anniversary of that fateful IMDB day. Remember the shock we all had when they dropped the news out of nowhere and said they'd shut down the forums on February 20th? (or around that date)

Good thing Jim cared about the forums and saved so much for us. I still think this is one of the better IMDB forum alternatives. IMDB2 and TMDB don't really do it for me (sorry, but it's hard to read things over there, and kind of messy in its organization of topics).

If I wanted to talk older films or see the opinions of others on older films from the 1940s, I'd have to start a thread on IMDB2 and TMDB. Here, the thread discussions were all saved and there to read immediately. That's what I love. Hopefully more former users will migrate here over time.

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I agree - Feb 19th was the actual date

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I remember very well...it was february 3 when i found out about this.

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I agree! Thanks, Jim!!



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i use both TMDB and this site (many use both)... I've started lots of topics on both sites... Every week I check out the boards for the movies I've watched (old or new) and start a topic if there isn't one...

I've had a lot of good discussions as a result and the boards there have a lot of good comments on movies compared to their begining.

This site has the old material though, which is a lot and has more active posters...

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It had nothing to do with trolls, but with Hollywood not wanting any criticism. Because of their huge egos, but also because they believed that this criticism they couldn't control scared away the investors.

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Amen, Stratego!



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I agree... Fully

It's interesting to see how quickly people internalised the corporate spin that it was about trolls... Trolls were just the excuse, Amazon/IMDB makes money selling subscriptions to IMDB Pro to people in the industry. It's easier to do that when you don't have a board of actual movie goers (i.e. trolls) discussing and criticising the industry's product...

The main point is that Amazon realised how central IMDB and it's ratings had become in the media around these movies, so getting rid of the boards allows them to control the perception of movies better and to sell that ability to their clients, the industry executives and PR folks...

My local cinema shows IMDB ratings next to the titles of each movie's showtimes...

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Because there was no money in it.

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