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Public shaming (warning, controversial topic, please be nice)


What do you guys think of contemporary public shaming?

Trying to get perceived evildoers to apologise publicly and exposing every alleged wrongdoing?

Whether media led or internet led... If find it disconcerting. I think the point of civilisation is that we moved beyond tarring and feathering in a public square... This seems like a regression to mob rule...

What defence is there for the accused? Especially in this age of easy access to people's private lives and anonymous rumour mongering...

I think I noticed this most clearly during the Tiger Woods scandal... Even my educated, white-collar colleagues were part of the rumour mill, taking about it during meetings, following every detail, etc... It felt odd and out of place for someone's private life to be such a matter of public engaggment and opinion... Especially as there was not even an allegation of crime involved...

Obviously, the current round of Hollywood scandals are quite different as there are potential criminal implications to the allegations and workplace sexual harrasment is inherently a public matter. I'm not equating these scandals with Woods' escapades... But I can't shake the feeling that there is something odd about the way we relish the public shaming as a way to seek justice, even before anything has been proven...

Am I the only one who feels this way? Is everyone else ok about this?

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I feel a person should be considered innocent of a crime until found guilty in a court of law. I have no use for "trials by television".

Case closed.

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Okay, so let's say you personally were assaulted on the street, by someone you knew and recognised. Your jaw was broken and your money stolen.

How would you be with your family and friends saying "Sorry, Ken. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Until or if that happens, I can't and won't believe you"?

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I would totally agree with them that my assailant should be considered innocent until proven guilty. If the assailant were acquitted I would accept the injustice and rise above the desire for revenge.

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Sorry, I simply don't believe you. If your family and friends need a court's decision to believe what you say happened is in fact what happened, either you're not known for telling the truth, or you have very dysfunctional relationships with all of them.

Do YOU need a court's verdict in order to believe that what happened to you actually happened?

(That, BTW, is a separate issue from you accepting a court's legal decision that you did not prove your case.)

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Well, your friends and family having empathy for you is very different from society condeming your assailant without a trial and turning them into a social outcast...

Even as strangers we can have empathy for victims and even believe them without having to punish someone else without evidence or a fair defence...

At least that's the way I see it... trial by social media is not "justice", it's just exercising our urge to punish...

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That would not work. A person who assaults another person, breaks his/her jaw, and steals his/her money is guilty..period.

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Guilty of what though, what lead up to those results. What if the victim stole the money and the accused saw him do it and when confronted the victim tried to attack the accused, the accused breaks his jaw and takes back his money without getting injured himself. Suddenly the whole incident is very different. That is why there has to be an investigation.

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But the victim would have to prove it was the actual assailant/thief who did it broke his/her jaw and that money was stolen, not a case of mistaken identity and not adding in that money was stolen.

Lordbishop brings up another good point. What if the victim was also a thief and the assailant knew it. In confronting the victim/thief, the accuser was attacked, causing the victim's jaw to be broken while defending him or herself.

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I think a lot of people will be accused before this is all over.

Some will even be guilty. Some will not.

Many lives will be destroyed.

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Public shaming is an easy way to get to people, unfortunately since it relies on no facts whatsoever the comparison to mob justice is very spot on. Its far to easy to abuse for a variety of reasons. The criminal activity needs to be investigated, but some of this other stuff from 10+ years ago I do not think should be given the attention it is receiving.

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All victims deserve justice regardless how much time had passed since the crime has been comitted and the relatives of those victims that had never been found deserves to know what happened with their love ones.

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Yes and as I said actual crimes need to be investigated. What I am talking about is things that may be wrong or inappropriate but not criminal occurring years and years ago. If a star wanted to have sex with you and you didn't have sex with him/her and that was the total event and you didn't appreciate that. I don't need to hear that, its not going to move the needle for guilt for the person one way or the other for me. We need to focus on the actual crimes and the prosecution of them if possible.

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Actual crimes...

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yes, a person should be investigated for crimes they actually committed...are you suggesting that is wrong?

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No,it's not wrong at all...but the cold case victims deserves the same justice as the current victims.

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Oh If you think I am suggesting old criminal cases don't deserve any attention I am not saying that. Actual crimes does not mean current crimes, merely means acts he/she may have committed that are in fact criminal.

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When I hear about public shaming I think of the age old ritual of business people testifying before Congress. They line them up and then any Congressperson gets to insult them and interrupt them, abuse them, etc. Then they leave and nothing happens, nothing changes. They just pay these CEOs so much so that in the event that they have to face this unpleasantness or get fired they do not lose.

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