I wanted too introduce myself and let you know that if you need my help during the night you can reach me on this thread or please contact us at [email protected].
Now as my coworker mentioned that Jim has steps in place so we don't over step our boundaries. We are only here too help. So go about your business and enjoy moviechat.
Well, that's great. Usually, going about my business entails me being micromanaged in getting a job done. I am glad I get to enjoy the "going about my business" part.
It's nice of you to.... and I do mean TO .... NOT TOO, make your presence known.
It's good to hear from you because I have read a great deal of complaints about you. I, myself, haven't had a problem with you or any other moderator here.... Yet. I only want to point out that if your first language isn't English, please accept this bit of advice. There are three English spellings and three different meanings for the word you are trying to convey.
Two, The #2
Too, In addition. To an excessive degree. Extremely!
To, What YOU meant...
I'm not trying to be snotty. I make mistakes and I always appreciate it when people correct me.
I can't help feeling that you didn't know your mistake since you used the wrong To Twice. Too was not what was meant.
Sorry. It is a Pet Peeve of mine.
You are free to point out any mistakes in spelling that I have made. I don't mind.
Please don't BAN me from this site because I enjoy the people and I'd like to see things pick up here and grow. That is what most of the people here want!
Thank you. I always welcome any suggestions. I like to learn from others. I'd like to think that others can learn from me. We may all learn from each other.
"First off, you are not "hearing" from anyone. You are seeing what he is writing."
It's a figure of speech. Most people I know will answer my letters by telling me that it was great to HEAR from me. I don't take it literally. Most people don't, but I understand what you are saying.
I will end this conversation now because you have a tendency to irritate the crap right out of me.....
It's OK. I am not literally pooping my pants if that is what you are thinking.
Bye.
You're right, it is a figure of speech. 99.99% understand that when someone posts something such as "I hear what you're saying," it's merely a figure of speech.
It would be awkward to say "I see what you're typing" :D
It's a figure of speech; however, it is not correct English.
Other alternatives could be "I see what you did there" or "it is nice to see a response from you".
I think having figures of speech has really made us more lazy in conveying our thoughts. It's kind of like why even have a speed limit, if we should always go +10 or +15 over it?
"I will end this conversation now because you have a tendency to irritate the crap right out of me.....
It's OK. I am not literally pooping my pants if that is what you are thinking.
Bye."
Too, Too funny! You made me chuckle! And, according TO Arvin, we are (not we're) supposed to be eloquent on a discussion board? We can not (not can't) be like Data on Star Trek TNG. He was the only one/thing who was programmed not to use contractions. Last I checked WE'RE humans, not programmed and WE'RE permitted to not be literal...like not really defecating when we say "You irritate the crap out of me!" π‘π‘
It depends on where you are from, mostly. With people, who use contractions in their written English, it almost seems to give off the impression that they are uneducated.
In English class, whenever I had written an essay, cover letters, or anything professional; I was told to stay away from using contractions.
Contractions, additionally, are almost the last generations' abbreviations for texting. Why not use "u" instead of "you"? Or "r" instead of "are"?
"How r u doing?"
It does not look very pleasing to someone who has spent time learning it the proper way. Even MissMargo had a problem with this mod guy's written English and so she has her own version of English.
Teenagers are exempt, as they are still learning. I am writing about adults, who most of us on here, are. I am also writing about members on here, who think it is fair to point out other people's mess ups, when they, too, mess up.
Well,nobody is perfect.If other members won' t recognize their writing mistakes ( i'm not perfect either,i admit,i make many mistakes),they should look at first on their mistakes and then teach others.No ofence to anyone.
Exactly. Or when someone else looks at their writing, that they do not have blatant flaws.
I mean MissMargo did challenge, when she found spelling errors in the mod's post, that her written English should could be scrutinized. I just wanted to show that she had more mistakes, more than just spelling, that had flaws. English is not about just spelling areas, it is about how you convey what you are writing about. Anything from spelling to grammar to flow of writing is what makes up how well you convey your opinions and ideas.
Teenagers shouldn't be exempt, as what they're doing now will be carried into adulthood unless corrected. There are a huge number of young adults who still use "text speech" in a great deal of their other writing.
To be fair, how would you know that someone here is not a teenager? IMDb allows those who are 13 and older to get register. A lot of us are refuges from IMDb. So there's a good chance that teens may end up on here too. Even if the majority of us on moviechat are adult users.
Teenagers are exempt, at least for me. If everyone here did not admit that they had made an error and said they were a teenager, I would not be able to write anything back. In the case with MissMargo, she responded back and so I knew she was not a teenager. She could have used that card if she wanted to.
"Contractions, additionally, are almost the last generations' abbreviations for texting."
Not true at all, alvin. Contractions have been around far, far longer than that, and examples can be found in a number of literary works, both fiction and nonfiction.
"With people, who use contractions in their written English, it almost seems to give off the impression that they are uneducated."
Sorry, but have to disagree completely. On the contrary, people who never use them or use them where they look and sound very awkward, almost seem to give off the impression they're not that educated or intelligent but attempting to sound as if they are. But, of course that's not a definiitive statement.
"that is what I was told in my English classes. Whenever I had written an essay, cover letters, or anything professional; I was told to stay away from using contractions."
Don't know where you went to school, but we were always taught that the only place where contractions were almost always inappropriate was formal writing -- papers, essays, etc. Cover letters were to be a case-by-case basis, and for years, journalists have moved away from formal, tilted speech, as have many professional writers. The only real holdout seems to be the legal profession, which could actually benefit from contractions...it would help make many legal papers far more comprehensible. Good writers and editors do so for the "mental ear," not the eye; the written word should "sound" natural and flowing to a reader.
Of course it happens. No human on the planet is or has ever been perfect, and from time to time, everyone makes mistakes while writing. In more formal/professional settings, that's what editors and proofreaders are for.
"Don't know where you went to school, but we were always taught that the only place where contractions were almost always inappropriate was formal writing -- papers, essays, etc."
Someone looking at that would wonder "who does not know?"
There does not always have to be a pronoun before it; however, it would help to be a bit more clear.
Speaking in a strict grammatical sense, yes, it should've been, "I don't..." However, in most informal writing situations, which of course includes internet forums, context usually makes the subject quite clear. Would you agree?
You gave me a chuckle TOO!
I accept the fact that certain things can bother people. For me, it's the wrong use of the words,
Two ,Too ,To
OR,
There, Their, They're
OR
Your, You're.
OOPS! There were a couple of contractions there, but that's the idea.
I do feel that contractions make us sound less like robots but if they are a problem for people when they do not know (no? That is a no no) the correct use of the word, I say talk like a robot!
I hope that Mod #2 didn't feel that I was being disrespectful. I really wasn't....oops!
There I go again.
I irritate the crap out of her because she cannot take what she dishes out to people. For instance, you will see she corrects other people's posts and she is "fine" with it. The minute I correct her, "OMG..you pointed out flaws and I am SO IRRITATED!"
She should be, if she is pointing out flaws in another person's written English. It is almost like "why are you pointing out flaws in someone else if your English is equally as horrible?"
This site is almost "anything goes" and I highly doubt I would have cared; however, MissMargo was not using correct English neither. If you have to pick out someone's written English, your English should be spot on! Eloquent written English is TOP.
For instance, you would not care to point out MOD2's errors because you believe we should not be eloquent writers on here.
Most of the people, who you know, may not be as intelligent.
I would expect them to say, if they were even remotely eloquent in writing letters, "it was great to receive a letter from you". I wonder what part of the U.S. thinks that this is okay English? It is almost broken English. Contractions and figures of speech are very casual versions of English, almost poor man's English.
I am one of the few on this site that actually TRIES to get things going. I mean we have threads on here TOTALLY UNRELATED to movies/tv shows. I am thinking everyday is probably a slow day on here. Then we have people bickering about spelling errors and other b.s. I have doubts that this site will ever take off, just based on the top heaviness of everyone here in General Discussion. We need to have a want for this site to change; however, the mindsets of many, are what set us back.
It's hard for a person who expects things to be organized and regulated.
I do not have shares; however, my mind thinks that way. I work a bit in the movie/t.v. industry and so my mind is all ready in the investing realm.
If we want this site to grow, we need to provide an incentive to people to want to be here. We cannot have that if things are disorganized and people are at each other's throats on several unrelated levels. We need cohesion.
In the grand scheme of things MissMargo pointed out a small error in a friendly and kind way,it was almost apologetic and perhaps a little tongue in cheek too.
It's really not an "at each other's throats" situation is it?
"It's nice of you to.... and I do mean TO .... NOT TOO, make your presence known.
It's good to hear from you because I have read a great deal of complaints about you. I, myself, haven't had a problem with you or any other moderator here.... Yet. I only want to point out that if your first language isn't English, please accept this bit of advice. There are three English spellings and three different meanings for the word you are trying to convey."
I do not know about you; however, that could come of kind of snarky. In fact, I was kind of offended FOR the mod2.
"I'm not trying to be snotty. I make mistakes and I always appreciate it when people correct me.
I can't help feeling that you didn't know your mistake since you used the wrong To Twice. Too was not what was meant.
Sorry. It is a Pet Peeve of mine."
She basically stated that she was being snotty.
"You are free to point out any mistakes in spelling that I have made. I don't mind.
Please don't BAN me from this site because I enjoy the people and I'd like to see things pick up here and grow. That is what most of the people here want!"
Then she goes onto putting him on a level playing field by admitting she is not perfect either.
It may be up to interpretation; however, I see that post 66.6% snarky and uncalled for and probably 33.4% trying to be civil.
Additionally, it had NOTHING to do with the topic at hand. It went completely in another direction, calling mod2 out for this spelling errors. This is why I think the forum is currently in a state of a jumbled mess.
I would agree that she was bored, like most people here and that is because we are not trying to renovate this site in terms of what it should be. If we put all our efforts into actually providing an incentive for people to come here and discuss movie topics, less time would be spent on being tangential.
"I would agree that she was bored, like most people here and that is because we are not trying to renovate this site in terms of what it should be."
Wait what? When did we agree that?
I'm not bored,I like it here.My thread is doing well and posters seem to be having fun.There are other interesting threads too and I think some of the individual boards are very active.Some are not but that was true of the other place too.
As I've said to you more than once the General discussion board is for discussing anything.Movies bring us together but I see nothing wrong with discussing other stuff.
No one has to agree to that, some people want to go above and beyond.
I spend my days here being productive.
It's kind of like settling. Do you want to be at a current state in life, trying to do the same thing and into monotony or do you want to progress, keep things different, and feel like you are making a difference?
I guess it is very much a choice to be one or the other; however, if being settled and monotonous leads to us belittling each other to oblivion, things need to change.
This site should not be boring. If it is, there is a SERIOUS issue that needs to be addressed.
I live on an island and we have an expression for those who complain constantly that life is boring and it goes like this:
"There's a boat in the morning"
But seriously this site will mean different things to different kinds of people.I sense you are quite frustrated that it isn't quite how you want it though.
Do you by chance live in Hawaii? Man, you are lucky.
Tomorrow I can get a free smoothie at Tropical Smoothie Cafe and hope the weather reflects somewhat of a tropical theme. All I need to do is wear flip flops.
Sort of. I kind of vision wanting this site to be a certain way; however, I prioritize it over other complaints because it is moviechat.org
It is hard to come on here knowing that new people are like "where is everyone? why is there no one on message boards to talk about movies/t.v. series?"
There is something seriously wrong. Or the fact that 99% of all the members are on "general discussion" looking for ways to occupy time by doing everything NOT movie related. Why not just name this site "discussion.org" or "debate about how to write in your version of proper English"?
OK, arvin, why don't you practice what you preach? There are a bunch of movies/shows in Trending right this second. If you haven't seen any of them, make something else trending.
There are plenty of people discussing film/tv on this site, and trying to get things going. But the majority of those discussions are not going to be found on the GD board.
And don't play this holier than thou card, because you contribute plenty of non-film related topics (entirely fine btw).
And that's my contribution to derailing this particular thread.
I do. Look at most of my topics, under my profile. I outline t.v. show titles and movies people should look into. I certainly am not one going around and using my time to belittle their grasp of the English language.
If you look at MissMargoChanning's history, neither is she (usually).
We all choose to spend our time differently on this site. And if this OT bothers you so much, you can always state your disapproval, then walk away and go talk about movies. No need to go into an indeath dissection of an inconsequential comment and complain about people not keeping on topic. People in glass houses, and all that...
In terms of my response to hers, you are correct that it may have escalated a given situation. I should have just put "this is super tangential and has nothing to do with what the OP was trying to say here" and left it at that. Additionally, I could have just not responded.
The only problem with the first is that the first option probably would have backfired. She probably would have gotten pissed off and said I was irritating her. (LOL!)
The second would leave the post alone; however, she would never know what it feels like to be scrutinized, as she did to mod2. Sometimes, people need to know what it is like to be written to like that.
It definitely was not angelic. I have no idea how you arrived at friendly and apologetic.
Even that statement is grammatically wrong. It should be "Sorry, it is a Pet Peeve of mine."
If you look into the context of that, it basically means "fix it because I am offended by it." It is another "figure of speech" she likes to use.
"I make mistakes and I always appreciate it when people correct me."
There is the 33.4% civil.
"I can't help feeling that you didn't know your mistake since you used the wrong To Twice."
Why does it bother her THAT much? Get a life!
Again, she wants something to be done about it because it bugs her that much! It is offensive to her!
"Most importantly a moderator ought to be able to at least take some gentle ribbing on the chin,because I'll bet they have seen/read a lot worse."
That is opinion. NO ONE should take any kind of ribbing because that mod2, too, is a human being. Again there, we are putting him on a different level.
I SWORE I would deal with you as little as POSSIBLE!
I had no intention of being "snarky!
Look at your own initial response to the mod. That could be taken as snarky TOO.
It was certainly cringe worthy.
As for spending your days, working to try to make this site run right, why don't you broaden your horizons and post on some of the individual movie boards?
Better yet, get up out of your chair and do something productive?
I have no idea of how things got so crazy here, but this is total BS!
Let it go!
"My going about my business is enjoying Moviechat?
Well, that's great. Usually, going about my business entails me being micromanaged in getting a job done. I am glad I get to enjoy the "going about my business" part."
I am not sure why, in your below response, you copied like three different threads. The one above it, my single response, was to the OP.
Additionally, nothing I said was directly to the OP. I was neither challenging, nor eliciting a response.
Visualize me just standing there, pondering and probably saying this as I talk to myself.
Your response was just hammering the fact that you HATED HATED HATED that he used words in the English language, in all the wrong ways.
Then you had taken it upon yourself to say "my Pet Peeve" and then continued to hammer hammer hammer the guy. I mean you had to have been offended or something. It was clear from your very first sentence that you "heard somethings about him from others" and wanted to get back at him for whatever the reason. If that was not your intention, you need to work on how to convey your feelings.
The guy is probably shattered after reading it or will be.
What? I usually visualize myself standing while saying these things to people. It helps me to get a good perspective in how others perceive me. It's kind of like a virtual GPS of sorts.
The guy is probably shattered after reading it or will be.
In all likelihood he's probably not even read it.
I very much doubt that he is shattered.
He may even be grateful that he now knows the difference between to,too and two.
I beg to differ. I never interacted with Mod2, but I contacted Mod1 two or three times and he always answered within minutes. And he's been very helpful. So, my experience is that mods are around when you need them. They just don't type here much, but doesn't mean they are absent.
Well, that's great. Usually, going about my business entails me being micromanaged in getting a job done. I am glad I get to enjoy the "going about my business" part.
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[β] aavfreak (63) 2 months ago
Awesome. It's good to have some common sense moderation in place.
The key being in moderation.
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[β] klownz (297) 21 hours ago
This mod is a complete idiot.
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[β] arvin g borkar (2140) 17 hours ago
Are we bored?
I know! I rub you the wrong way.
You could have found another thread to screw up.
How's that for conversation?
My message? I'd be kicked off this site if I "typed"it.
As per Arvin, I think we are (we're) all lost and can not (can't) win. We are born losers whom/who have destroyed the English language. We humans have a propensity to disregard the ethos of Arvin. It is apparent Arvin is sated with us po' folks as evident of his pathos toward us. His logos seems to have fallen on deaf ears. π
Nobody's lost; arvin is just choosing to be a major PITA here (and no, I don't mean the flat bread).
Again, English is written for the "ear." Remember the words of Winston Churchill when he was criticized for using improper grammar by ending a sentence with a preposition:
"You are correct. That is something up with which I will not put."
You can approach it from either side, the top, or the bottom. Both commas are still completely unnecessary, and this is from someone who was an editor for many years and dealt with stuff such as this on a daily basis.
"Both commas are completely unnecessary, and this is from someone, who was an editor, for many years and dealt with stuff, such as this, on a daily basis."
"Actually, it should've been, "Sorry; it's a pet peeve of mine.""
I will NEVER say anything about anybody's grammar, punctuation, spelling, or the WORDS they choose to use EVER EVER AGAIN!
I have said it before and I will say it again...... I make mistakes TOO!
I apologize for being such a horrible human being!
Margo...trust me; I wasn't targeting that at you in any way, shape, or form. I saw absolutely nothing wrong with the message you sent to Mod2. The fact that you made some typos yourself? So what? Like you, I want people to let me know when I do it...within reason. But some of them are no big deal.
No, my response was strictly for arvin, who, while criticizing your sentence (and not without some pomposity) and then purporting to correct it, STILL got it wrong.
PLEASE...whatever you do, do NOT stop correcting or pointing out incorrect grammar/spelling. People who care about using English correctly -- and sadly, we're apparently a shrinking group -- need to constantly try to maintain it.
There is no way that is right. Sorry cannot be an independent clause on its own. I have never seen it separated by that. Please refer me to an article that states you have to separate "Sorry", with a semicolon, from an independent clause.
Please refer me to an article that states your incorrect version is correct. The only other correct version would've been making it two separate sentences, with Sorry being a sentence. And please don't say single words cannot function as sentences. They can, do, and have been for several centuries.
"Thank you. I always welcome any suggestions. I like to learn from others. I'd like to think that others can learn from me. We may all learn from each other."
My words to you, and I meant them. This had nothing to do with misspelling. I'm guilty of that. Many people are. We type so fast at times that we misspell words or we sometimes leave words out. I can navigate my way through typos.
My point was that there are certain words that sound the same even though they are spelled differently. Each of those words have a different meaning. That is what I was pointing out.
As for you irritating me, let us put it this way... Some people rub other people the wrong way. Over the past several months I have discovered that you rub me the wrong way.
It may be best if we communicate as little as possible. Sometimes these things happen.
I never actually understood why a semicolon goes between "And your punctuation" and "watch your commas". Those two phrases are dependent clauses, not independent. Commas are used to separate an independent from a dependent clause. They are also used to separate a dependent clause from a list of things etc.
I may have been mistaken on that one. I have always separated my dependent clauses with commas! :O
You basically have everyone at each other's throats. Next time, please stay on topic and stop pointing out English written flaws. This thread is in chaos now!
I would admit it; however, I was not the first to point out spelling. She did, then I came on, and then everyone dog piled on me. She had started it. I just escalated it.
You deliberately escalated it. Pointing out Margo's mistakes was one thing; she even asked people to. But then you just kept going, completely unnecessarily. Unless you admit to knowingly trolling here, arvin, a few words of well-intentioned advice we should all heed occasionally: Know when to quit.
Yeah, we do not exactly have the best relationship on here.
I will not admit to trolling because I had the intention of expressing how I felt. You had shown me what it was like to be corrected by someone. I think we all need a "big brother" to tail us.
Nothing wrong with correcting someone's English; that's the only way to preserve good grammar. But there's a right and wrong way to do it. And I admit, I've done it the wrong way a couple of times.
The fact -- not conjecture -- is that some of Mod2's English/grammar is atrocious. Not being mean; it's simply the way it is. Margo was only trying to be helpful.
I think it's important that we keep things in perspective. We don't want people to stop posting for fear that the English teacher is going to come along and correct their work!
I think,perhaps,that the expectation was that a moderator ought to know the difference between to,too and two. It's fairly basic stuff. Am I wrong?
I am wondering if he uses a tablet and his auto correct might have been to blame. It seems to happen to me a lot especially with two letter words.Also if I miss type a two letter word it will just insert the nearest word.
The only thing that really gets to me is when people write 'of' instead of 'have'.
For example.I should of known better.
I suppose they hear 'should've' and assume the rest.
Dazed, you're completely correct. It is very basic stuff. Same as "of" rather than 'have." Two of my own major pet peeves are those who use "loose" instead of "lose" (e.g., If they say, "I hope she looses the election," I'll ask, "So you hope the opposition tights it?"), and those who say "refer back to." It's pretty tough to refer forward to something. Let's not even begin to get into the misuse of the word "literally."
And I agree; things should be kept in perspective. Nobody should be dedicated to pointing out every single little typo and/or error. But at the same time, there's nothing wrong with anyone wanting to preserve the correct use of English.
If English isn't one's first language, but that's what they'll be using to communicate with most, they should take the time to go over a few basics as a courtesy, just as an English speaker should for another language they might be using most frequently.
As fas as the tablet/phone argument, yes, autocorrect often makes "assumption" errors, but that's why there's the human factor...one can always take a few seconds to proofread their post before posting. Yeah, in the grand scheme of things, it's no biggie on an internet forum, but again, nothing wrong with using correct English ever.
I'm not leaving this site. I'm just leaving this thread. It's too much. I had assumed that we were done with trolls. I am too upset to deal with this nonsense.
Thank you for caring.
I agree with your point regarding typos. I'm using an iPad which has a mind of its own at times. For some reason beginning at early evening the keyboard will not respond correctly. I constantly have to check the result of my typing as the letters of words may not appear or the letters may be doubled or tripled. Examples: he for the....schoool for school, etc. It is quite irritating to have to consistently edit while typing.