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Trump: Liar or Bullshitter?

posted 3 days ago by curiousMInd101 (4585)
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In my opinion, Trump is not a liar. Trump is bullshitter. The liar at least respects the truth enough to distort it — he knows what it is and deliberately leads you away from it. The bullshitter, on the other hand, couldn’t care less about the truth. He’s not lying about reality so much as he’s floating above it, spinning tales with no regard for what’s real or not. The liar wants to deceive you. The bullshitter just wants to keep talking. One is a con man, the other is a jazz musician — improvising his way through life, hitting whatever notes feel right, even if they’re completely off-key.

The interesting thing about bullshitters is that they sometimes reveal truths others wouldn’t dare to say — not because they care about honesty, but because they simply don’t give a fuck about truth or lies. It’s the story that matters, and sometimes that story exposes reality in ways the truth-obsessed never could. And that is Trump.

This was originally a response to another poster, but I decided to make it its own thread because I was interested in hearing other perspectives from both sides of the aisle. If you had to choose one, would you say Trump is a liar or a bullshitter?

[–] KingBob (3267) 3 days ago

Neither, a patriot.

As for liars and bullshitters I think you’re confused with Brandon and Kamala.

[–] curiousMInd101 (4585) 3 days ago

You can be a patriot and a bullshitter. Trump is both.

[–] KingBob (3267) 3 days ago

I didn’t say you couldn’t be both, I said that Trump was a patriot but not a bullshitter.

[–] curiousMInd101 (4585) 3 days ago

You can't be a politician without being a liar, a bullshitter, or both. I think Trump is a good bullshitter — a genuine bullshit artist. Meanwhile, Brandon and Kamala are liars, and to the extent that Kamala does bullshit, she’s really bad at it — to the point of being cringe and embarrassing. When Trump talks, even if I know he’s full of shit, I still like what I’m hearing.

[–] KingBob (3267) 3 days ago

How do you know he’s full of shit?

[–] curiousMInd101 (4585) 3 days ago

When he says things that I know not to be true.

[–] KingBob (3267) 3 days ago

But how do you know they aren’t true? Also can you provide examples?

[–] curiousMInd101 (4585) 3 days ago

God, there are so many that it's hard to pick just one or even remember, so I'll just focus on the one I saw earlier today on this site where Trump said that Ukraine started the war. This is not true. But... you see, Trump is not lying here; he is bullshitting. Everyone who pays attention knows that it was the United States that started the war by overthrowing the government of Ukraine in 2014 and stating that Ukraine would be part of NATO. This eventually led to Russia actually invading Ukraine. So whichever way you look at it, it's the U.S. or Russia that started the war, not Ukraine. But... that is not important because Trump is trying to tell an important story that will improve the relationship between Russia and the U.S. He's opening up détente, and that is the reason why he said that Ukraine started the war and badmouthed Zelensky, criticizing him for things that are actually true. You see, like a bullshit artist, he does not lie, nor does he tell the truth. He does not give a fuck about lies or truth; he cares about the story because he's trying to accomplish a goal with that story.

[–] KingBob (3267) 2 days ago

Oh I see so it’s the US’s fault??? See you’re just as big of a bullshitter as you claim Trump is. I’d also like to see this quote and the proper context that you claim he made. Tread lightly also because your credibility is slowing weathering away.

[–] curiousMInd101 (4585) 2 days ago

It’s clear you’re unfamiliar with the history between the U.S., Ukraine, and Russia. If you actually want to educate yourself, I suggest listening to Jeffrey Sachs — watch his interviews with Tucker Carlson. Or go hear what Col. Douglas MacGregor has to say; he was Senior Advisor to the Acting Secretary of Defense under Trump and has deep insight into U.S. foreign policy.

Perhaps familiarize yourself with the subject before questioning my credibility. My reputation here and on the right is well-established and speaks for itself.

[–] KingBob (3267) 2 days ago

LOL so I see you’re too afraid to post the exact quote and it’s context. So pathetic. Also you claim that the war started because of the US in 2014, guess who was president? Yeah the anointed one Barack Obama.

[–] curiousMInd101 (4585) 2 days ago

Jesus Christ. I clearly stated that I just grabbed the first thing I saw that day on this site — a post about Trump claiming Ukraine started the war. My point was that I don’t need to go searching for Trump's false statements; I can literally use something I just read 10 minutes ago. But fine, if you want to keep being obtuse, here you go — here’s the exact quote:

“I think I have the power to end this war, and I think it’s going very well,” Trump said, answering reporters’ questions on February 18 at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida. “But today I heard [from Ukraine], ‘Oh well, we weren’t invited.’ Well, you’ve been there for three years. You should have ended it three years – you should have never started it, you could have made a deal.”

Here he is, implying that Ukraine started the conflict when, in reality, it was the U.S. that orchestrated the coup and kept Ukraine under its thumb with the goal of goading Russia into war. The consensus among the establishment blob was that we could bleed Russia dry and weaken them.

And what’s with the bizarre flex of bringing up Obama? As if that changes anything. You come across as a partisan hack incapable of critical thinking, and the issue with people like you is that you assume everyone else shares your narrow views — that we all fit into neat little partisan boxes. Well, I don’t identify as a partisan. I hate Obama, Bush, Cheney, and Biden. I like Trump but I still didn’t vote for him. I have disdain for both Republicans and Democrats.

I am a White Nationalist and National Socialist who supports left-wing economic policies (welfare state), but I’m far-right conservative on social issues: pro-White, pro-segregation, anti-immigration, anti-feminist, anti-LGBTQ, and pro-traditional family values. I have no representation. I’m willing to collaborate with anyone across the political spectrum to implement my policies, but I'm skeptical of all politicians.

[–] KingBob (3267) 2 days ago

So your source is someone else claiming that Trump claimed that Ukraine started the war. Is that seriously the best you can do? At the very best that is hearsay.

Oh so now he’s just implying that Ukraine started the war? You said that Trump SAID Ukraine started the war. Get your stories straight, dingleberry.

It very much is relevant to bring up Obama, HE WAS IN CHARGE when you claim that the US started the war. So if you want to blame anyone it should be that POS Obama.

You’re a white nationalist? You’re pro-segregation? WTF is wrong with you?

[–] curiousMInd101 (4585) 2 days ago

Okay I'm running out of patience with your retardation.
Here is Trump on video saying what I wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_9LAUahpw4

No, it's not relevant to bring up Obama unless you're just trying to score some cheap partisan point, which you seem to think somehow matters in this case. I don’t give a fuck who was president; both Democrats and Republicans are trash. When it comes to foreign policy, it doesn't even matter because it's the establishment blob that sets the agenda, and the president simply follows. Trump is the first president in a long time who has dared to challenge the blob and implement his own foreign policy that goes against the national security state.

And what do you mean, 'what's wrong with me'? What’s wrong with you? Are you one of those civic nationalist retards who, like the woke progressive fags, think that diversity is our strength? If so, then you're even more retarded than I thought. Your people and culture are being replaced in your own countries, but who cares, right? Color doesn't matter, right? We are all just interchangeable. All the same... Fucking retard.

[–] KingBob (3267) 4 hours ago

He said they should have ended the war over the past 3 years. You’re taking his words out of context you idiot. Also it looks like we have a self hating retard, that’s original.

Your entire attack against Trump was nothing but partisan and now you have the nerve to say that I’m being partisan???

I was very clear in what I asked: What’s wrong with you? You need some serious help for your TDS. Go see a therapist you retarded loser.

[–] curiousMInd101 (4585) 3 hours ago

What the fuck are you talking about? How am I self-hating? It’s the woke White progressives who hate themselves because they’re riddled with White guilt. I'm a White Nationalist. I’m proud to be White. I love my people, my race, my heritage, my history. You — on the other hand — either don’t care about your people or are too afraid to say that you do.

And how the fuck do I have TDS? I like Trump. I disagree with him on some things because my goals are different, but I’ve also given him credit where it’s due — like on mass deportations, DEI, dismantling the national security state, and shutting down USAID and NED. The fact that you’d accuse someone like me of TDS just proves you’re a partisan hack — incapable of handling even the slightest criticism of Trump without taking it as a personal attack. It's Sad and pathetic.

[–] vader (154) 2 days ago

Does it? You're a TF and Kulinski consoomer and willfully suck down and regurgitate leftist propaganda. But hey, you randomly post Nazi slogans and that's somehow helping your credibility apparently. 😂

[–] curiousMInd101 (4585) 2 days ago

Now you’re simply being disingenuous. I’ve already explained, as have others, that I share content from sources across the political spectrum. Unlike you, I’m not a partisan hack who confines himself to a simplistic Right versus Left or Trump versus Biden framework. My views are heterodox and nuanced; I have my own ideas about how a state should be run, what constitutes a healthy society, and the solutions to the problems we face. I’m open to valid criticism and ideas from all sides of the political spectrum, but I don’t fully subscribe to any single ideology.

I’ve mentioned before that I post Kyle Kulinski because I find it amusing to watch him have meltdowns. However, just because he's a snowflake and suffers from TDS doesn’t mean he has nothing of value to say. My sharing his content does not imply agreement or endorsement; it simply indicates that I found it interesting enough to share with everyone here. You low-IQ partisan hacks are insufferable in how you reduce everything to an us-versus-them, red-versus-blue conflict.

As for my credibility, it’s not derived from posting Nazi slogans but from advocating for social conservatism effectively. I also engage in debates with those who disagree with me because I actually like my views being challenged and my arguments tested. That's what big boys with triple digit IQs do — they don’t retreat into echo chambers merely to have their preconceived notions validated.

[–] vader (154) 2 days ago

Well that's where you're wrong, son - unlike you I don't claim to have any reputation/credibility on the right, or the left. Quite the contrary. I go where the logic is and aim to reject any and all false narrative propagation, regardless of where it stems from. Feel free to scour my post history and you'll see as much.

You on the other hand seem to be sucking down drivel at random like a bullshit connoisseur. Your ideology might as well be labeled "troll" - there's no coherence to any of it. You "want to see other perspectives" in order to gather material for your next attempted rage bait.

But yes yes, please keep attempting to gaslight me otherwise. 😂

[–] tvfan (14553) 3 days ago

Neither.

[–] curiousMInd101 (4585) 3 days ago

You can't be a politician without being a liar, a bullshitter, or both.

[–] tvfan (14553) 3 days ago

It's a good thing that he's not a politician. He's a businessman.

"Politician" is only a label that doesn't apply to him in the traditional sense. It's a temporary role with a title.

[–] AnthonySocksss (1599) 3 days ago

Businessmen are politicians, pimplebutt!

[–] tvfan (14553) 3 days ago

Don't conflate them with government politicians.

[–] AnthonySocksss (1599) 3 days ago

Ya mean bureaucrats

[–] AmeriGirl26 (15105) 2 days ago

Better question: why is Trump always accused of lying, but every other politician in Washington gets off scot-free? How come the others are never accused of lying, even when it's blatantly obvious on national tv?

[–] curiousMInd101 (4585) 2 days ago

I believe this is directly relevant to my post. Most politicians are liars — but because you can't officially call them that, everyone plays along with the pretense — even though it's obvious to all. Trump, however, isn’t a liar in the conventional sense; he’s a bullshitter. And that’s what throws them off. They aren’t accustomed to dealing with a bullshitter — especially one as skilled and captivating as Trump. They don’t know how to categorize his style, so they resort to calling him a liar — the only real liar among them, in their view. The irony, of course, is that they’re all liars, while Trump is something else entirely — a pure, unfiltered, and masterful bullshit artist. He’s a natural.

[–] AmeriGirl26 (15105) 2 days ago

He does it to bluff people and to draw out the opposition, get them to expose themselves. He's playing them like a fiddle, and they fall for it every time. I would never try to go up against that guy in poker. After seeing how he's played Political Poker, I think he'd win at the traditional card game every time.

[–] curiousMInd101 (4585) 2 days ago

He's a master at it.

[–] Yatzo (2175) 2 days ago

He’s a world class confidence man.
All the MAGAs bought the grift hook, line & sinker

[–] curiousMInd101 (4585) 2 days ago

You need to be a good bullshitter to be a confidence man. And Trump is a master bullshitter. He's a natural. I love watching him do his thing.

[–] Rorikon (18389) 2 days ago

He's both. Bullshits on his accomplishments and lies about anyone that doesn't like him, that's how it works. If he was a patriot, he wouldn't have dodged the draft. Oh no, if shit hits the fan, he'd flee this country to Russia faster than you can say traitor and bring his whole family with him. He's only in it for himself, family, and money hence the immigration of his family.