How to stand up to a dictator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtSTBoPloqI
shareI remember when the government was trying to force people to take medical treatments.
Who was standing up to that?
Oh yeah, bad people.
Well those who died of Covid certainly didn't.
shareCovid or the treatment?
I don't know anyone who died of Covid-19.
United States. Coronavirus Cases: 111,820,082. Deaths: 1,219,487. Recovered: 109,814,428.
shareSo you think people should be forced to take medications for an illness with a 99% survival rate, for their own good?
shareDon't tell me what I think.
But since you have raised the subject:
Five bad arguments against mandatory vaccination
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10127050/
Covid death rates have dropped as the virus has mutated, with herd immunity and the development of effective vaccines. But all remaining mandates were withdrawn by the administration as of May 11, 2023.
A nuanced and informed account of rates of Covid death over time can be found here
https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid
Let us know how many Covid shots you have received.
If it is less than eight, explain why you are not up to date.
I have had four, and that is all that is recommended here.
shareBut I thought it only provides 3 to 4 months of coverage.
Is the Science™ different where you live?
Think of the old people and children you're putting at risk!
The COVID-19 vaccine's protection reduces over time, but it doesn't stop after three months. The World Health Organization (WHO) recommends that adults over 75 or 80 years old, and adults over 50 or 60 with comorbidities, get revaccinated 6 to 12 months after their most recent dose. The 2024–25 COVID-19 vaccine is a one-shot vaccine for most people, and there is no booster this season.
As I say, I do what is recommended here by the health authorities and get vaccinated accordingly when invited. It is those who refuse vaccinations who most put people at risk.
Sheep.
shareYou see that thing on the end of my sentence? That's a question mark, indicating a fucking question.
There are no bad arguments against mandatory "vaccination". Especially considering that they're not really vaccines and they don't work. My universal response is, you can fuck right off.
There are no bad arguments against mandatory "vaccination".
Not read the link I gave you then, just above, of 5 such arguments?
Especially considering that they're not really vaccines
So vaccines are not, er, really vaccines?
and they don't work.
Sources for this? Do you mean vaccines in general? Know anyone who has caught polio lately?
My universal response is, you can fuck right off.
Now you just sound defensive. share
Yeah, according to the government, specifically the piece of shit agency that funded the virus' development, which is who is doing the mandate, the arguments are "bad". Like I said. My God, wake up.
No, dipshit. This isn't an indictment against all vaccines. It's an indictment against THIS vaccines. It isn't one. But thanks for repeating the same old propaganda bullshit that if you speak out against THIS vaccine, you're speaking against ALL vaccines.
They don't prevent you from catching COVID, getting sick with COVID or spreading COVID. What else do you need to conclude that they don't work? Thanks for pointing out that polio vaccines actually work.
Yeah asshole, when the government and lemming stooges like you want to suggest that I be required to be injected with an experimental drug that did not go through normal FDA approval proceedings, that is proven not to work, for a virus with a 99% survival rate but also has some serious side effects, I get a little fucking defensive. Especially in hindsight because everyone I know who had the vaccines and boosters were way more sick than I was when they caught COVID. Not to mention the link to certain "turbo cancers", which why all now have.
So pretty please, with sugar on top, fuck off with this.
the arguments are "bad". Like I said. My God, wake up.
I notice you do not dispute any of the 5 I linked to. And who do I believe - government and health professionals or some guy on an anonymous message board?
dipshit... asshole...fuck off
An insult is not an argument.
This isn't an indictment against all vaccines. It's an indictment against THIS vaccines (sic). It isn't one. But thanks for repeating the same old propaganda bullshit that if you speak out against THIS vaccine, you're speaking against ALL vaccines.It would be best if you made this clear at the start. This while RFK, another of your ilk, does indeed condemn all vaccines, so one can naturally see confusion.
a virus with a 99% survival rate
Covered before. The covid of today is not that of the original spread while there is now herd immunity, a weaker strain, and, well, effective vaccines.
https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid
They don't prevent you from catching COVID, getting sick with COVID or spreading COVID. What else do you need to conclude that they don't work?
COVID-19 vaccines approved by the FDA meet rigorous testing criteria and are safe and effective at preventing serious illness, hospitalization and death. In the UK
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/monitoring-reports-of-the-effectiveness-of-covid-19-vaccination#:~:text=Early%20data%20from%20routine%20COVID,19%20disease%20and%20severe%20outcomes.
Sorry about that. Or rather I am not. Again, who do I give most weight and credence to: the govt and professional data, or some anonymous conspiracist who is now swearing at me? Someone who offers no links against those easily found online from reputable sites?
normal FDA approval
The epidemic was not normal times, but the vaccines were all approved by the FDA.
Not to mention the link to certain "turbo cancers"
Turbo cancer is an anti-vaccination conspiracy theory alleging that people vaccinated against COVID-19, especially with mRNA vaccines, are suffering from a high incidence of fast-developing cancers. Although the idea has been spread by a number of vaccine opponents, including several health professionals, turbo cancer is not supported by cancer research, and there is no evidence that COVID-19 vaccination causes or worsens cancer. eg
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-turbocancer-vaccine-idUSL1N3340PQ/
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In other words, you believe everything 'they' feed you. Even after it's been proven that the lied about the virus' origin and the efficacy of masks, social distancing and the "vaccines".
shareIn other words, you believe everything 'they' feed you.
Guess I am just not someone informed by a professional medical background like you then, eh? And who feeds you?
Even after it's been proven that the lied about the virus' origin and the efficacy of masks, social distancing and the "vaccines".
Most of this is to some extent true, although it was less deliberate falsehood than a revision of scientific advice in light of new data. But the Covid vaccines are effective, as my previous links show. You have offered no links one notes or even sources. share
And I guess there are no medical professionals who lost their jobs because they refused the jab either, huh?
Wrong. They knowingly lied. Nothing about "science" changed regarding our understanding of the physical size of a virus and the filtering capabilities of masks.
The fucking vaccines don't work. They don't prevent you from getting infected, getting sick or spreading. This is fact. Not some conspiracy theory.
You people love to dismiss anything that contradicts the narrative as a conspiracy theory. How did they manage to brainwash you into not requiring answers to those questions?
And I guess there are no medical professionals who lost their jobs because they refused the jab either, huh?
Quite right, part of the Hippocratic Oath is not to hurt your patients, when an infected person in close contact with patients might do just that. If they don't want to be bound by medical ethics then they had no reason to work in medicine.
Wrong. They knowingly lied. Nothing about "science" changed regarding our understanding of the physical size of a virus and the filtering capabilities of masks...The fucking vaccines don't work. They don't prevent you from getting infected, getting sick or spreading. This is fact. Not some conspiracy theory.
Still waiting for any source for all your claims. Not even from X? lol Also, what has the size of virus have to do with anything. Or do you mean spread? I have given you authoritative links as to the efficacy of the vaccines with the data. Not much more I can do is there?
Not some conspiracy theory.
Sure looks like one to me: "they lied" etc
You people love to dismiss anything that contradicts the narrative as a conspiracy theory. How did they manage to brainwash you into not requiring answers to those questions?
You didn't say where you got your professional medical training.
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Well, that's one way to spin it.
The size has nothing to do with it? Where the fuck did you get our medical training? Do you know what a micron is?
The size has nothing to do with it?
That is what I asked. Upon analysis of negative-stained SARS-CoV-2 articles by electron microscopy, different researchers have had varying results, but the diameter of the virus has been found to range between 50 nm to 140 nm. So?
Do you know what a micron is?
Yes thank you. share
Masks don't stop viruses, dummy. Size has EVERYTHING to do with it.
shareMasks don't stop viruses
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449
https://www.cdc.gov/respiratory-viruses/prevention/masks.html
https://www.phc.ox.ac.uk/news/comprehensive-review-confirms-masks-reduce-covid-19-transmission
glad to help.
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Let me know when you come up with anything new, sheep.
shareNo sorry all I have are the links I have given proving you wrong - while you offer none. It seems once again its all over, baa the rudeness..
shareYou've proven only that you can regurgitate. Masks ONLY help if the person infected is wearing one. All it will do is stop relatively large particulate. We knew that already. As I already said, no mask will stop a virus from passing through. Period.
Yes, I'm rude to people who are terminally stupid, swallow everything 'they' feed them and use it to regurgitate and demonize their fellow citizen. All the bullshit about vaccines, masks, social distancing and the idea that the unvaccinated would be responsible for a cataclysmic result was for stupid people. That includes you and you're still drinking that Kool Aid.
Thank you for your opinions, and you are welcome to them.
In the meantime I look forward to to links and sources for your claim that "Masks don't stop viruses". I mean you must have some... right?
Masks ONLY help if the person infected is wearing one.
https://www.nytimes.com/article/covid-masks-protection-stats.html
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/search/research-news/14642/
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/mask-mandates-will-mask-protect-even-no-one-else-wearing-one-rcna15323
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9438729/
Oh dear.
people who are terminally stupid, .. that includes you
Oh dear oh dear.
You didn't say where you got your professional medical training. share
I don't need a medical degree to understand filters and the size of the impurity you want to stop. An N95 mask will stop 95% of particulate down to 0.3 microns. That is, if it is perfectly sealed to your face and doesn't allow any air to enter from the edges. The COVID virus is 0.1 microns. Those cloth face diapers that most people wear don't stop jack shit.
See how you have to constantly appeal to authority? You're just repeating mainstream media bullshit and lies. Go back a few years and watch some of the CNN specials on COVID. They are almost always sponsored by Pfizer. That's a clue and not a subtle one. You can't think for yourself.
See how you have to constantly appeal to authority?
That would be because, and unlike yourself evidently, I don't know as much as the experts do.
I don't need a medical degree to understand filters
Please see the various links I provided earlier to understand the way masks work better. I am not denying that there are obviously both good and bad masks in effectiveness. Btw, at the start you said "Masks don't stop viruses" now it appears, "Masks ONLY help if the person infected is wearing one." See what you have done there? Can you think for yourself some more and avoid contradiction?
You're just repeating mainstream media bullshit and lies.
This is just a right wing trope for when authoritative sources confirm what you don't prefer to believe. We still await your own sources and links for any of your claims.
Go back a few years and watch some of the CNN specials on COVID.
The same CNN I have frequently been assured here is full of fake news and main stream media disinformation? share
Wrong. It's not a trope. We don't trust them because they lie, all day long.
You're from the UK, you know less than nothing.
Wrong. It's not a trope
TROPE: a common or overused theme or device : cliché
I have seen this sort of thing frequently on this board.
You're from the UK, you know less than nothing.
I know it is likely to be best to look at what authorities on the matter say, rather than to believe Craig-without-any-sources or links guy on a right wing message board. share