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Gaza father lost 103 relatives from Israeli Airstrike


It sounds like genocide to me:

"Ahmad al-Ghuferi missed the bomb that obliterated his family.

When 103 relatives were killed in a strike on their family home in Gaza City, he was stuck 50 miles (80km) away, in the occupied West Bank town of Jericho.

Ahmad had been working on a Tel Aviv construction site when Hamas attacked Israel on 7 October - unable to return to his wife and three young daughters because of the war that followed, and Israel's military blockade.

He spoke to them at the same time every day, when the phone connections allowed, and was on the phone to his wife, Shireen, as the attack happened on the evening of 8 December.

"She knew she would die," he said. "She told me to forgive her for anything bad she might ever have done to me. I told her there was no need to say that. And that was the last call between us."

A large bomb attack on his uncle's house that evening killed his wife and his three young daughters - Tala, Lana and Najla.

It also killed Ahmad's mother, four of his brothers and their families, as well as dozens of his aunts, uncles and cousins. More than 100 dead in all. Over two months on, some of their bodies are still trapped under the rubble.

He has been left to piece together the story of what happened from the accounts of a few surviving relatives and neighbours.

They told him that a missile had first struck the entrance to his family's house.

"They hurried out and went to my uncle's house nearby," he said. "Fifteen minutes later, a fighter jet hit that house."

Survivors say the eldest victim was a 98-year-old grandmother; the youngest a baby boy born just nine days earlier.

There was no advance warning."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/call-dad-tears-gaza-father-210103430.html

Pure evil.

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You voted for that.

You should have voted for Trump.

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Trump: Lock Him Up!

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I gotta admit. Israel efficient as fuck. 103 people in one shot.
Nazis were amateurs

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Nazism = Zionism

Two sides of the same coin.

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Zionism smarter.
Its like nazis got 10 updates and a shit ton of bug fixes. And playing with infinite money and media support cheat codes.

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And since you fool proved Godwin's Law, you'll explain to us what a Nazi is. πŸ˜Žβ€‹

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Where's your explanation what a Nazi is????????????
(hopefully enough question marks for almonigal to make it even) πŸ˜¬β€‹

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nazis are those guys that killed people they deemed inferior to them WITHOUT playing the victim card.

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That you think that shows just how little you really know about the Nazis. They always played the victim card. Nazism was just a giant exercise in playing the victim card.

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Ok, thanks. Didnt know that.
Concluding, israel is nazism evolved to absolute perfection.

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You're claiming that a 10,000 square mile country which used to be much larger than it is now until it voluntarily gave up the overwhelming majority of its territory and which merely seeks to preserve its existence in its current form is not merely the same as a 130,000 square mile country that tried to conquer an entire continent and was then violently pushed out of all that extra territory in the course of war but is actually the former evolved to absolute perfection.

You're claiming that a country that allows the free practice of all religions and has a continually growing non-Jewish minority which is now over 20% of the population is not merely the same as a country that literally banned Jews and forced all of them to either leave or go into concentration camps but is actually the former evolved to absolute perfection.

Please explain how you reached this conclusion. I'm not going to accept such a far-reaching claim at face value.

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Ok. One example:
IDF soldier about shooting people in the kneecaps that were protesting near the gaza fence some years ago:

"On that day, our pair had the largest number of hits, 42 in all. My locator wasn't supposed to shoot, but I gave him a break, because we were getting close to the end of our stint, and he didn't have knees".

They were having contests about who will get more people to become amputees.

We are talking about people that are sadistic beyond what the average person can imagine.

Article here: https://www.newarab.com/news/israeli-snipers-brag-about-deliberately-crippling-gaza-protesters
Its on haaretz also, but paywalled.

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First off, the IDF soldiers were shooting people to prevent them from going over the border fence. The IDF is fully justified in protecting its border with Gaza. October 7th shows what happens when that border isn't properly protected.

Second, the IDF aren't the only ones to ever engage in kneecapping. Bangladeshi police do it and so did paramilitaries in Northern Ireland during the Troubles. Are those people also Nazis?

Third, numerous militaries throughout the world throughout history have done far worse. Just one example would be the Soviet Union, whose soldiers gang raped thousands of German women at the end of World War II. If you look long enough and hard enough you'll find all kinds of horror stories about what militaries have done. But you wouldn't tell me that all of them are Nazis.

It's extremely cheap to try to reduce the Nazis to kneecapping or some equivalent brutality. Your argument is utterly non-compelling. Pointing to one bad thing (according to you) Israel has done doesn't come anywhere close to proving that "Israel is Nazism evolved to absolute perfection". You're completely ignoring the larger issues that I brought up in my previous response. You can't ignore those issues if you're going to have any chance of proving your claim.

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Also noone said aliens in Independence Day were committing genocide, and they did far worse things than the idf.
I see your point.

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What happened to all that stuff about kneecapping? Is this just your way of admitting that it didn't prove your claim?

Your comparison is ridiculous. No one ever denied that the aliens in Independence Day committed genocide. They killed tens of millions of people. Are you really so short on real arguments that you have to resort to bullshit comparisons to what people supposedly did or didn't say about aliens in a sci-fi movie? Just admit your claim is wrong and be done with it.

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I didnt see any official statement about aliens committing genocide, hence, by your logic, aliens were not committing genocide

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I didn't see any official statement denying that the aliens committed genocide. What you're saying doesn't make any sense. I never claimed that Israel hasn't committed genocide based on any official statement or the lack thereof about it. I've always maintained that Israel hasn't committed genocide because the facts don't support it.

Your need to reference a sci-fi movie to try to make your case is really pathetic. Just admit your claim is wrong and be done with it.

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Well aliens were worse than israelis.
Not only that, martians in war of the worlds were much more evil also.
Since we do not know for sure if aliens or martians committed genocide, it can be concluded we cannot say for sure israelis are committing genocide.

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We don't have to reference anything done by fictional aliens from outer space to conclude that Israel hasn't committed genocide. The Allies killed hundreds of thousands of civilians by bombing in both Germany and Japan during World War II and you don't consider that to be genocide. I reiterate, that wasn't genocide according to you. Therefore, it's that much clearer, according to your own standards, that Israel hasn't committed genocide because it's only killed a small fraction of that by bombing. Again, I've made my determination by simpling following your standards for what constitutes genocide.

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ok. u right,eave aliens out of this. look. Jason Vorhees is arguably a more evil person than the average idf soldier. If Jason didnt commit genocide, also de idf didnt.

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So, in your opinion, a 10,000 square mile country which used to be much larger than it is now until it voluntarily gave up the overwhelming majority of its territory and which merely seeks to preserve its existence in its current form is the same as a 130,000 square mile country that tried to conquer an entire continent but was then violently pushed out of all that extra territory in the course of war. Please elucidate for me the analysis that led you to this conclusion.

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which merely seeks to preserve its existence in its current form ...

I am sorry, are you on drugs ? Merely seeks to preserve ?
I think maybe in your mind you see Israel as a country that probably exports teddy bears and imports heart shaped baloons. No, they are baby murderers. End of

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I'm sorry, are you on drugs? Yes, Israel merely seeks to preserve its existence in its current form. I'm sure you noticed that Hamas is a huge obstacle to that. Israel has to destroy Hamas. That doesn't make Israel "baby murderers" anymore than the Europeans who 80 years ago fought against Germany to preserve their existence in its pre-war form were "baby murderers".

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"Israel merely seeks to preserve its existence in its current form"

Not true. Israel continues to steal more Palestinian land. Their greed is limitless:

"Israel's plan to add thousands more homes to settlements in the occupied West Bank..."
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-plan-expand-settlements-helped-trigger-us-shift-language-2024-02-28/

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You're not disproving what I said. You're talking about land Israel already controls. Note that I originally referred to Israel as a 10,000 square mile country, a figure that's only true if it includes the whole West Bank. Israel is a tiny country and even if it annexed the entire West Bank it would still be a tiny country. That's why I said that Israel merely seeks to preserve its existence in its current form. Which makes Israel very different from the Muslims, who had already stolen millions of square miles of land by the time their religion was as old as Israel is now:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Muslim_conquests#/media/File:Map_of_expansion_of_Caliphate.svg

You refuse to condemn Muslims for their misdeeds so your condemnation of Israel is completely meaningless. You're just a one-dimensional Islamochauvinist and everyone here knows it.

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Israel is still stealing Palestinian land. 2-state solution will happen.

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Israel isn't stealing any land. If that were true it would mean that Muslims have stolen millions of square miles of land but you know that isn't true. So you know it's that much more false to claim that Israel is stealing any land.

Israel is just a 10,000 square mile country fighting to maintain its existence in its current form.

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The Nazis weren't actually well-known for their bombing efficiency. It was the Allies who were well-known for that. Did you know the U.S. killed tens of thousands of people with a single bomb on 2 different occasions? Which makes Israel's use of thousands of regular bombs in Gaza quite intriguing because the conventional wisdom is that Israel actually possesses that same kind of bomb which could kill thousands with a single blast. So much for Israeli "efficiency".

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You imply Israel is good because they dont use nukes?
Are you aware that you are scraping the bottom of the barrel of reasons to justify genocide? The absolute bottom.

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I'm not trying to imply that Israel is "good". Your implication is that I deny that the U.S. was good when it used atom bombs to kill tens of thousands in both Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I certainly don't deny that the U.S. was good when it did that. You're the one who brought up the issue of bombing efficiency and that's what I addressed. My only implication is that Israel is inefficient with its use of bombs.

And I'm certainly not "justifying" genocide. How the hell would a mere description of Israel's undeniable inefficiency with its use of its bombs constitute a "justification" of genocide? By that logic, if you were to admit the undeniable truth of this inefficiency as well then that would mean that you would also be "justifying" genocide. As I've already explained to you numerous times, there is no genocide.

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You have to admit.
Nazis were cramping people into rooms and gassing them with gas paid by nazis or shooting them with bullets made in germany. They had to transport them, guard them, feed them, it was hard work.

Israel waits for people to hide inside house then kills them with bombs paid by USA. Just press button.
Efficient. Nazis were amateurs.

Israel is the true champion of genocide.

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I don't get it. I just explained to you how inefficient Israel really is. The number of bombs they dropped on Gaza is greater than the number of people killed there. That's extremely inefficient. Compare that to the Allies during World War II, who on 2 different occasions killed tens of thousands with a single bomb. That's real efficiency. The Allies killed hundreds of thousands of civilians by bombing in both Germany and Japan and that wasn't genocide so you can't tell me that Israel has committed genocide by killing a small fraction of that. There were 2 million Palestinians in Gaza 5 months ago and there's still 2 million Palestinians in Gaza now. Israel is no "true champion" of genocide because it's not even a contender for genocide. Palestinians only die in their houses because Hamas hides in, under or near those houses.

With all their hard work the Nazis managed to kill 6 million Jews. That's a lot more than the hundreds of thousands of German civilians killed by Allied bombing, which is a lot more than the 30,000 Palestinians (according to Hamas) killed by Israeli bombing in Gaza. Your genocide "analysis" needs a lot of work.

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I agree, Israel at start dropped many bombs and they didnt manage to kill as many civilians. It was too expensive.
Now they are killing 100+ with just one conventional bomb. They became more efficient

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That's extremely inefficient compared to killing thousands with a single bomb, a type of bomb which Israel is widely believed to possess. And using one of today's modern nukes in a place like Gaza, Israel could probably kill a million people with a single bomb. But Israel won't do that. And you're still ignoring the fact that the number of Gazans killed is less than the number of bombs dropped in Gaza. The average Israeli bomb dropped in Gaza kills at most one person. Extremely inefficient.

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So what do you suggest Israel does to kill more civilians with less bombs?

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I'm not making any suggestions for what Israel should do in Gaza. I don't pretend to know any better than the IDF about such matters. I'm simply describing Israeli inefficiency with their bombs. That inefficiency is a choice Israel has made.

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You're right, few know more than the idf about killing innocents.
Anyway, don't be too hard on them, they are using starvation efficiently.

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I wouldn't describe the Allies who defeated Nazi Germany as "few". And the Allies were also more efficient when it came to starvation.

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How much more efficient than israel at genocide? 10%? 20%?

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Why do you keep saying Israel is efficient at genocide when it hasn't committed genocide? The Allies killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in both Germany and Japan (and that was just during the war) and you admit that wasn't genocide. Stop being absurd.

I already explained to you how much more efficient the Allies were at killing people during World War II. On 2 different ocassions, the Allies killed tens of thousands with a single bomb. I'm sure you learned about this in school. Stop playing stupid.

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because its true

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Well, it's not true. You admitted it wasn't genocide when the Allies killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in both Germany and Japan during World War II. So how the hell is it genocide when Israel kills a small fraction of that in Gaza? Can you actually explain that to me? It's completely meaningless for you to just make a naked assertion without even trying to explain your basis for it.

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broken record spreading shit

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You're the broken record just spouting shit. You claim Israel has committed genocide but can't even begin to explain why that is so. You admit it wasn't genocide when far greater numbers of civilians were killed during World War II but for some seemingly magical reason claim to believe that it is genocide now that a much smaller number have been killed in Gaza. You're just making it up as you go along. Your accusation of genocide is just a statement of anti-Israel prejudice.

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Both sides (Hamas and IDF) have committed atrocities, and both can be considered genocides since Wokepedia’s β€œList of Genocides” has described that a number such as 40 can be enough to consider it genocide.

The definition on that page also applies to both sides.

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I don't respect any definition of genocide that would include anything where as little as 40 people died. By that logic every side in nearly every war in history was guilty of genocide. Such a definition of genocide is so overinclusive it's completely meaningless.

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I(and likely many other Americans)are envious of this fellow. I can't name more than 14 of my relatives, much less 103

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And they opened their home to extended family members, too! Most American families would say get lost.

Just a side note. In the U.S., it's normal for adopted children to be given to complete strangers with no knowledge of their birth family. In Muslim culture, an extended family member would adopt an orphaned child in order for them to remain a part of the family and know their heritage.

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They were just clumps of cells...

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103 clumps

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How the hell does this "sound like" genocide to you when the carpet bombing of Hamburg, the firebombing of Dresden, the fireboming of Tokyo, the atom bombing of Hiroshima and the atom bombing of Nagasaki did NOT "sound like" genocide to you? Your assessment of genocide makes zero sense. When you say 103 members of this man's family died you're obviously referring to his extended family. But to a certain extent all humans are extended family of all other humans. You could also claim that a Japanese survivor of the March 1945 firebombing of Tokyo lost 100,000 relatives in that American strike. You could claim all Japanese people were members of such a survivor's extended family.

This isn't "pure evil". What's actually pure evil is being totally okay with killing hundreds of thousands of German and Japanese civilians during World War II and then turning on a dime and arbitrarily denouncing what Israel is doing now. You absolutely refused to condemn in any way the October 7th attack in whole or in part so your condemnation of Israel is completely meaningless. You could just as easily get the same claptrap from literal Neo-Nazis.

I wonder if any members of Ahmad al-Ghuferi's extended family were part of Hamas and took part in the October 7th attack. I wonder whether al-Ghuferi would rat on Hamas to Israel if he of all people somehow knew about the October 7th attack before it took place in order to spare his family.

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"This isn't "pure evil"."

Sociopath.

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You're the one who openly celebrated the fact that hundreds of thousands of Jews fled Israel in response to the October 7th attack, claiming that they returned to their "real countries". You're the one who openly celebrated the fact that people fled Israel in fear for their lives.

So who's the real sociopath here?

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Foreigners returned to their real countries.

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You don't even deny what you said! You just repeat it. You're a total sociopath. Own what you are.

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it sound to me like propoganda lies.

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Fuck Israel

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The child crushed, flattened, by a Zionist tank was disturbing. Israel, the occupying jews, are very evil.

Thank God many are dead. According to a report mentioned by Aljazeera military analysist, the total IDF soldiers killed are almost 16,000 and 1320 Americans, 900 French, 79 UK and 46 Italians. So, if there are 1320 Americans killed, think how many were sent? Surely many of our fellow Americans murder children.

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