Not sure if any of you have seen this doc but it's kind of interesting. It involves several interviews with former jihadist's and their story on how they got into it and why they stopped preaching hate and fighting wars for their false leaders.
Anyhow, it's called Jihad: A Story Of The Others. It's free on tubi -
Here's the link...
https://tubitv.com/movies/590291/jihad-a-story-of-the-others
Anyone can be radicalized: Far-Right extremists, religious cultists, domestic terrorists, personality cultists, etc..
Best way to avoid (or break loose) is to keep yourself open to opposing viewpoints and use critical thinking skills.
Eventually, they see the hypocrisy and/or lies and it snaps them out of it.
Did you watch it, kee?
What are your thoughts in regards to the doc?
I watched. I had a few problems with it. She didn't distinguish terrorism from self-defense. And she didn't provide any historical context nor explain what the men's terrorist activities were.
Soviets invaded Afghanistan. I don't see anything wrong with Muslims uniting to defend the country especially when the U.S. helped train and support them. The question she should have addressed was why did some Muslim soldiers go from defending Afghanistan against Soviet soldiers to killing citizens.
There is nothing wrong with defending Bosnian Muslims from genocide and ethnic cleansing nor overthrowing a tyrannical government that oppresses people. Every American is taught that when we read about the American Revolution. Again, that's different from killing innocent civilians in a subway with a suicide vest.
She also failed to mention thousands of orphaned boys from various wars who were being educated in the more extreme fundamentalist Wahhabism and some of whom later became terrorists.
Repeatedly lingering the camera on the crying man was distasteful and exploitive.
She didn't address that many Jihadists had never studied the Koran itself. It forbids killing women and children. I thought it would've been interesting for her to expand on why different Muslims attack and kill each other.
I read an autobiography which I thought did a better job addressing the subject called "Radicalism: My Journey Out Of Islamist Extremism" by Maajid Nawaz. Similar history as the men in the doc.
I just started watching another called "The Cult of the Suicide Bomber".
https://tubitv.com/movies/606412/the-cult-of-the-suicide-bomber?autoplay=true
She didn't address that many Jihadists had never studied the Koran itself.
What a nice guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GdsfoUk5Iw
Child abuse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl6YGt7O9eM
Trying to change the subject just proves that you know I'm right about Islam. If I say something to you and you know that what I said is correct then why can't you just act like an adult and admit that I'm right?
shareI started a new subject:
Israel is one of the most racist countries in the world.
https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/655b21c196971a77e1aa4d21/Israel-is-one-of-the-most-racist-countries-in-the-world
Why can't you just admit that I'm right about Islam?
shareYou're a racist, too.
https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/655b21c196971a77e1aa4d21/Israel-is-one-of-the-most-racist-countries-in-the-world
No, I'm not a racist. But you actually are a proven antisemite.
share>>>Repeatedly lingering the camera on the crying man was distasteful and exploitive.<<<
I thought it was heartfelt, his situation felt quite real to me. Abu Muntasir has spoken out in other public settings about his time as an angry radical, fighting in various wars. I see a lot of similarities between him and your average Palestinian that feels the need to join Hamas.
Hamas is a very angry group, that's leading by emotion rather than facts. You see, we live in a democracy, at least I think we are, not sure where you live. We openly welcome the exchange of ideas and opinions, Hamas doesn't do this, they just express anger and hate very similar to what Muntasir went through.
Many of them are incels that feel out of place, which does make me wonder why they even move to western nations. They would fit in a little better in an Arab country.
But whatever their reason is, they're easily manipulated into committing some rather awful acts against non-combatants and other Muslims too, I suppose I would have more empathy for their cause if they weren't hell bent on killing innocent people. Strapping a bomb to your body and walking into a cafe and blowing yourself up and taking the lives of innocent people with you is a real turn-off. I just have no empathy or sympathy for them, not to mention, Israel has been dealing with attacks like this for 70+ years.... good lord, it's amazing that Israel has shown this much restraint.
At any rate, here's a link to Muntasir speaking to a large crowd about his experience as a radical. It's not much different than what he says in the doc but again, its kind of interesting...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi8k6BG9KVk
I'll check out Cult of the Suicide Bomber too.. Thanks for the link...
Sorry, I didn't mean to put a damper on your film. But... you did ask my opinion.
I'm halfway through "The Cult of the Suicide Bomber" and I give it a 10/10 so far. Very educational and gets into their culture, mindset, point-of-view and history.
It's ok, kee. You didn't spoil it. I agree with some of your points. I'll reply to your post tomorrow. It's getting late here.
shareTwo reasons they get radicalized far more often than everyone else is, their religion encourages violence, and often they are brought up with very little education, and terrorist organizations take full advantage of both areas of their recruits' backgrounds. Their parenting style is abominable too. They spoil their sons rotten and let them get away with everything, including [literally] murder, while they beat their girls if they even look at anyone the wrong way.
shareThe only thing you need to know is Religion is the cause of most suffering and violence, especially when you take every word of it including the bad ones. Some only take the most extreme measures of it while others only take the good parts of it. Everyone is nitpicking the books here and there to fit their end goal and needs. At the end of the day, you're all going to hell because no one followed it correctly and was altered throughout the millennia.
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