FBI agent admits to destroying evidence against pro-Trump lawmaker
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Well, well, well! AG Garland’s FBI isn’t so pure after all! 😱
To yatzo and all you left wingers who become completely deranged when the name Trump is mentioned.
Is it possible documents were planted by the FBI at Trump’s home? Not so far fetched now is it, you leftist lemmings!!
No replies from the Bidenite lemmings? I’m shocked I tell you! Shocked!😱
shareI don't believe that documents would be planted. Trump already was busted with boxes of documents earlier in the year.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-took-classified-material-white-house-florida-national-archives-says-2022-02-18/
Dan Abrams of Newsnation had a good segment last night on the FBI conducting raids on politicians of both parties. Henry Cuellar and T.J. Cox are two democrats who were raided this year.
https://www.newsnationnow.com/video/abrams-media-ignores-prominent-democrats-arrested-by-fbi-dan-abrams-live/7922107/
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/02/01/henry-cuellar-fbi-raid-election/ * Cuellar fbi raid *
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-08-17/tj-cox-fbi-trump-gop-outrage * Cox fbi arrest *
There are so many legal cases against Trump so I expect future raids. I'm most interested in finding out if Trump's DNA matches the DNA on E. Jean Carroll's dress.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/05/trump-defamation-lawsuit-by-e-jean-carroll-set-to-resume-discovery.html
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/08/donald-trump-criminal-investigations-lawsuits-guide-complete-list
https://www.justsecurity.org/75032/litigation-tracker-pending-criminal-and-civil-cases-against-donald-trump/#Doe
”Places the responsibility for the custody and management of incumbent Presidential records with the President.
Establishes in law that any incumbent Presidential records (whether textual or electronic) held on courtesy storage by the Archivist remain in the exclusive legal custody of the President and that any request or order for access to such records must be made to the President, not NARA.”
I posted this in another thread:
“Executive Order- 13526
Sec. 1.3. Classification Authority. (a) The authority to classify information originally may be exercised only by:
(1) the President and the Vice President;
(2) agency heads and officials designated by the President; and
(3) United States Government officials delegated this authority pursuant to paragraph
(c) of this section.
(b) Officials authorized to classify information at a specified level are
also authorized to classify information at a lower level.”
”Can presidents declassify matters directly?”
“Yes, because it is ultimately their constitutional authority.”
As adjudicated by the SCOTUS.
The President does have the ability to declassify documents BUT I've read that there are procedures that have to be followed for declassification. Procedures require that the documents be stamped as unclassified and other intelligence officials have to be notified of the classification changes. It'll be interesting to see if the courts can make a quick decision on this matter. Nuclear documents and certain national security cannot be declassified.
https://www.factcheck.org/2022/08/trumps-dubious-standing-order-to-declassify-documents/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/08/19/trump-fbi-documents-classified/
I wouldn't be surprised if Biden makes a backroom deal to pardon Trump to allow the nation to heal in exchange for assurances that the Biden family will not be investigated.
A sitting U.S. president has been given the power to Classify or Declassify without following so-called “procedures” as per the SCOTUS. Read the decision made by the SCOTUS and pay no heed to different pundits!
”The Supreme Court determined in its 1988 decision on Department of the Navy v. Egan that the president’s power over classified information comes from executive authority granted by Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution, which says, in part, that the “President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States.”
“His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security and to determine whether an individual is sufficiently trustworthy to occupy a position in the Executive Branch that will give that person access to such information flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant,” the Supreme Court decision reads.”
The Egan case is from 1987 and that's pretty old. The 1973 Roe case stood as legal precedent until it did NOT. The NYT vs CIA case from 2020 determined that Trump's twitter edict was not a valid declassification.
In October 2020, Trump — by tweet — “fully authorized the total Declassification of any & all documents pertaining to the greatest political CRIME in American History, the Russia Hoax …. No redactions!” Yet Trump’s own Justice Department repeatedly pushed back against releasing these and other supposedly declassified documents — and won. In July 2020, the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals stated flatly that “declassification, even by the President, must follow established procedures.” And when journalists sought the promised “CRIME” materials, then-Trump Chief of Staff Mark Meadows gave the court a sworn declaration that “the President indicated to me that his statements on Twitter were not self-executing declassification orders and do not require the declassification or release of any particular documents.”
In an effort to snag Hillary Clinton, Trump signed a 2018 law that bolstered penalties against those who stole classified documents so he might be prosecuted under the law that he signed. Remember her e-mails.
https://www.businessinsider.com/law-trump-signed-2018-may-punish-him-classified-info-2022-8
We may never know which documents were in the boxes since it may remain classified. It could end up being a lengthy legal battle. LOCK HIM UP!
It doesn’t matter how many Circuit Court of Appeals went against the SCOTUS’ ruling, the ruling stands until it’s brought before the SC again. It also doesn’t matter how long ago the SC made the ruling. Using the 1973 Roe v Wade case as an analogy doesn’t justify your argument in this situation. For almost 50 years Roe v Wade was brought before many courts. Some overturned it; others did not citing legal precedent, so it stood UNTIL the SC overturned its own ruling!
I have a feeling this will be fast tracked back to the SC. The ruling of 1988 stands as legal precedent until the SC rules other wise. If or when the Court takes the case this too will either stand or be overturned by the Court itself.
The SCOTUS does not favor overturning its prior rulings. This one paragraph states it all:
“His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security and to determine whether an individual is sufficiently trustworthy to occupy a position in the Executive Branch that will give that person access to such information flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant,” the Supreme Court decision reads.”
”Trump has legal authority to declassify intelligence. Despite the blowback, Trump is right.”
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-legal-authority-declassify-intelligence/story?id=47436559
I would say it was an idiotic action on his part even though he had the right. To be perfectly clear I’m not in favor of what Trump did. Just as I was not in favor of Hilary’s personal server having Top Secret documents on them. Trump was/is wrong being so careless, but he had the right. Hilary had no right what so ever, but she skirted criminal charges.
An interesting read:
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/verify/government-verify/how-us-presidents-can-declassify-documents-trump-mar-a-lago-search-fact-check/536-e1961390-e7c6-438a-
Wow!
Now you're cookin'! LOL!
The FBI would never have access to those documents, Einstein. Trump already admitted he had them when he lied about declassifying them.
He turned a misdemeanor into a felony. He's going to prison for a long time.
Check your source. Huge red flags.
share See the following. As an aside, how many links do I have to post before you take them as fact? Not huge red flags when I’m quoting the SCOTUS! Argue with them. Not with me!
Again, as adjudicated by the SCOTUS:
”The Supreme Court determined in its 1988 decision on Department of the Navy v. Egan that the president’s power over classified information comes from executive authority granted by Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution, which says, in part, that the “President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States.
His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security and to determine whether an individual is sufficiently trustworthy to occupy a position in the Executive Branch that will give that person access to such information flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant,” the Supreme Court decision reads.”
To add further info:
”Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy, said that such authority gives the president the authority to “classify and declassify at will.”
”In fact, Robert F. Turner, associate director of the University of Virginia’s Center for National Security Law, said that “if Congress were to enact a statute seeking to limit the president’s authority to classify or declassify national security information, or to prohibit him from sharing certain kinds of information with Russia, it would raise serious separation of powers constitutional issues.”
”The official documents governing classification and declassification stem from executive orders. But even these executive orders aren’t necessarily binding on the president. The president is not “obliged to follow any procedures other than those that he himself has prescribed,” Aftergood said. “And he can change those.”
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/may/16/james-risch/does-president-have-ability-declassify-anything-an/
You can find this info at other sites.