This point proves that abortion is evil - Politics Discussion

[–] immattj (4042) 3 years ago

You seem triggered.

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[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

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[–] yatzo376 (7752) 3 years ago

Insane?

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[–] Arasaid (202) 3 years ago

Good point.

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[–] Frosal (280) 3 years ago

No, it isn't a good point or rather points, as the OP is making multiple points.

The first point is a straw man. An embryo is not a child.

The second point is a red herring. It has nothing to do with anything.

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[–] Arasaid (202) 3 years ago

You can use whatever words you choose. Abortion is the taking of a human life.

Being able to see what happens to a child that has been aborted has changed many minds. People have been brain-washed to believe it's not a child, not human, not a life, and that the mother's career, finances, hopes, and dreams are more important than the child she created.

For most, abortion isn't about ending a pregnancy (due to risk to mother), it's about ending a child (would interfere with the life the mother planned for herself).

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[–] Frosal (280) 3 years ago

You can use whatever words you choose. Abortion is the taking of a human life.

Nice solipsism (look it up) there, absolutist. Well over 90% of abortions happen during the first 9 weeks of pregnancy. Again, it's obvious you can't differentiate between an embryo, a fetus and a child and are using the term "child" in an equivocal and dishonest way.

If abortion is "the taking of human life" then your god is committing genocide on a vast scale every single year. For example, up to 50% of all pregnancies end in a miscarriage. There were 120 million births in the entire world last year or something like that. So your god killed up to 120 million "children" just last year. You worship a mass murderer then, hypocrite, and have no standing to preach anything to anyone, least of all morality. (Refer to Euthyphro's dilemma as well). Have fun with cognitive dissonance.

Your second claim is nothing but an appeal to emotion. Abortion has prevented suffering and death on a vast scale. Not everyone is fit or has the capability to care for a child. Your view is incredibly myopic and hidebound.

And you anti-abortionists are absolutely sadistic and in no way concerned about human life. For example, in ectopic pregnancies, the fetus has virtually no chance of surviving. Ectopic pregnancies not only impact future fertility of the mother, but can straight up result in her death. You anti-abortionists would have something like 120 thousand mothers be in danger of dying or becoming infertile every year in the US because of your rigid and narrow-minded views on abortion.

Here are the facts of the matter... Abortion rates are actually higher in countries in which abortion is banned. GUARANTEED, DEMONSTRATED AND PROVEN time and time again. We have the data, we have the facts, the statistics and proof. Like I said in another comment here, the rate and number of abortions has dropped dramatically in the last 20 years alone in the US.

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[–] Frosal (280) 3 years ago

Furthermore, if you were actually interested in the "protection" and "sanctity" of human life, you would be advocating for better and cheaper access to birth control (which you fucking hypocrites also want to ban), better (sex) education (you fucks keep advocating for teaching abstinence which absofuckingguaranteedlutely does not work), better social programs, eliminating poverty, dealing with the housing crisis and the healthcare crisis (like the increased maternal mortality in the US compared to, I don't know, every other so-called "first world" country) and so on.

But we both know, and there's no need to pretend, you'll never advocate for that because you believe in strict hierarchical view of society: there are those that tread on others and those that are downtrodden. Not only do you not advocate for the aforementioned measures, you are actively looking to dismantle them, by privatizing education, by cutting and doing away with social programs and you are actively looking to encourage poverty because your overlords need more wage slaves.

You have absolutely no leg to stand on or to preach anything to anyone.

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[–] immattj (4042) 3 years ago

The rights of the living are not as important as the rights of the unborn.
Everyone knows that.

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[–] Arasaid (202) 3 years ago

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[–] Frosal (280) 3 years ago

I didn't expect much from you and I'm still disappointed. No, wait, that's a lie, I know most of you fascist conservatives are nothing but odious trolls and cretins already.

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[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 3 years ago

hahahahah if that all you had after Frosal game you a long and thorough reply? damn you copped out like a bitch.

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[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 3 years ago

jesus look at this emotionally driven straw man nonsense.

do I have the right to use your body? if I am sick and my kidneys dont work, my stomach and intestines can digest. do I have the right to hook up to your body and use it to support me?

also wanna play a game? ill send you links with photos of cow, monkey, pig, whale and human fetuses.

you tell me which is the "child and human". amazing how a spec of clump of cells the same size as the end of your finger is now "a child". amazing

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[–] April-151-CT (10210) 3 years ago

https://c.tenor.com/aGcIaEIAam8AAAAC/fish-cats.gif

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[–] CowherPower4Ever (241) 3 years ago

I don't think any sane person would suggest abortion is a great thing for society. However, sometimes it is needed. For crying out loud just this week we saw a 10 year old prevented from having an abortion in her own state after she was raped. She is 10!!

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[–] Arasaid (202) 3 years ago

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[–] Gd5150 (11965) 3 years ago

Great questions. Heard this “story” from a pro abortion friend, sure is convenient timing. We know the left lies constantly about everything so I give it about a 3% chance of being legit. I’m sure it made the cover of all the democrat party media/rags.

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[–] Arasaid (202) 3 years ago

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[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 3 years ago

yaaa what a coincidence and totally impossible, that in a country of 330 million, with an average around 150 000k rapes a year, or 400 a day. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/rape

that 1 of them got pregnant. def a plot and conspiracy. like covid, like the election. everything a trick against republicans!

perpetual bitch victims for life of conspiracies.

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[–] CowherPower4Ever (241) 3 years ago

From my understanding, and yes we do need for information on this case, the Ohio law outlaws abortion after 6 weeks. No exception for the health of the mother.

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[–] Arasaid (202) 3 years ago

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[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 3 years ago

again up to the mercy of some possibly pro life doctor, or a more reasonable pro choice one, worried about getting death threats, or charged with crimes by the state.

thanks republicans turning america into a backwards theocratic state

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[–] Frosal (280) 3 years ago

Over 90% of abortions happen within the first 9 weeks. The rate and number of abortions has declined steadily over the years. For example, there were more abortions done in the year 2000 than in the year 2020 despite there being 50 million more Americans in 2020 (I'll assume half of those are women).

Near-term abortions only happen when the baby is dead or the life of the mother is in danger. If someone put a near-term baby in a freezer, that someone probably has mental issues and is dealing with the loss of a baby they wanted to raise.

Yeah, it happened in the home of an anti-abortionist activist, where a bunch of fetal remains were found.

P.S. There are up to 120 million miscarriages on this planet every year because up to 50% of pregnancies end up in a miscarriage. Wow. This is proof god is immoral.

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[–] Ticketsplease (4024) 3 years ago

Maybe God does that because he sees the path some will take and would prefer they go straight to heaven 🙂

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[–] Frosal (280) 3 years ago

Judaism teaches that life begins at "first breath". If we go back 2000 years ago, Christianity arose in a culture which believed life began at... 5 years. That's because of the overwhelming infant and toddler mortality they were facing.

Catholicism used to teach that unbaptized children didn't go to heaven, instead, they went to a place called "Limbo". They stopped advocating this in the last 2 decades or so.

So your beliefs are clearly subject to relativism. "Maybe" and all that.

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[–] Gd5150 (11965) 3 years ago

States rights. Don’t worry CA will never stop Democrats from blending babies.
Even after they’re born now thanks to new laws.

No money? They’ll pay for it too! And your travel expenses. Come have an aborcation on Newsom!

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[–] Frosal (280) 3 years ago

Fascist Republicans will seek to overturn abortion on a federal level even though it's clear a majority of Americans believe women should have autonomy over their own body. They don't believe in state rights and they never did.

In the 19th century, the federal government controlled by conservatives forced the transit of slaves across NY territory even though NY banned the transit of slaves on a state level. And when conservatives lost control of the federal government and abolition of slavery was looming, they decided to throw a hissy fit and start the Civil War; before that, in South Carolina, for example, they didn't even allow Lincoln to even appear on the ballot (Supreme Court will soon hear a case which will, in effect, enable fascist conservatives to reenact that odious part of history).

Prior to the start of the Civil War, fascist conservatives roamed the countryside "dispensing summary justice to wayward slaves and whites suspected of holding abolitionist views". The city of Charleston lived under a "reign of terror".

Oh, and fascist conservatives also used force to make the regions in the South which voted against secession join their cause to have human beings as property.

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[–] Gd5150 (11965) 3 years ago

Good hope they do. But they won’t. In 99% of cases abortion is murder and could be easily avoided. Not surprised Democrats celebrate it.

Pre civil war “conservatives” as you put it were pro slavery Democrats. You know the same Democrat party of today. The one that opposed the civil rights act of 1964. The one that fought to keep slavery. The one that keeps blacks in their inner city shit holes they’ve run for 50-100 years.

Cute how you try to conflate the two. Keep trying to rewrite reality lemming. You’re out of your league.

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[–] Frosal (280) 3 years ago

They were conservatives. Thanks for playing. Genetic fallacy and red herring. Try and get on my level, fascist moron.

Also, if we look at numbers, more Republicans in the North opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 than did Democrats.

Northern Democrats: 145–8 (95–5%)
Northern Republicans: 136–24 (85–15%)
Southern Democrats: 8–83 (9–91%)
Southern Republicans: 0–11 (0-100%)

Also, you are literally parroting 50 year old Republican propaganda.

ETHNIC/RELIGIOUS

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4) Black Complaints: As we did with Muskie we should continue to champion the cause of the Blacks within the Democratic Party; elevate their complaints of 'being taken for granted.'

Source: A secret White House memo written by H.R. Haldeman during the "ratfucking" years of Richard Nixon.

Link: https://thenewyorker.typepad.com/online__georgepacker/files/dividing_the_democrats1.pdf

I have the receipts. Boy, you guys sure are mad that a Southern Democrat advanced the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and jammed it through Congress. You're so mad that today your legislative candidates are nearly 100% white in a 60% white country. Fascist white identitarians. QED

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[–] Frosal (280) 3 years ago

Will you be joining the fascist Republican patrols around the countryside to hunt for "wayward" women trying to cross state lines to get an abortion? How much money have the Gestapo and the Stasi informers in the state of Texas gotten via bounties by now?

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[–] snepts (11123) 3 years ago

You are an ugly and immoral person.

If you want to take some sick and twisted scenario to make your point - so can we.

If someone takes your burned up family members after a devastating fire and smokes their remains in a bong, - wow, that's just wrong, man.

Proof that you're a fuckin' idiot.

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