34-year-old father and husband dies of myocarditis after mRNA vaccine - Politics Discussion

[–] mcqueen (1150) 3 years ago

LOL

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[–] SamNoyoun (5830) 3 years ago

Oh no, someone died? Say it isn't so! 🙄

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[–] B1cKsurN (17407) 3 years ago

Now do all of 2020 and 2021....give me a break.

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[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 3 years ago

no YOU do 2020 and 2021. You seem to make bald ass assertions, then when asked for evidence except others to find your evidence for you. in other words you are an idiot

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[–] joej2923 (3021) 3 years ago

The article below has links to several studies by scientists that show a link between the mRNA vaccines and myocarditis. The 34-year-old man died of myocarditis with no family history of myocarditis. Coincidence? I think not!

May the deceased rest in peace and his family recover from their loss.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/02/list-1000-different-studies-show-extensive-evidence-covid-19-vaccines-adverse-events/

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[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 3 years ago

oh yes. the scientific journal the gatewaypundit

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[–] SamNoyoun (5830) 3 years ago

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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[–] joej2923 (3021) 3 years ago

Gateway Pundit is certainly a right-wing purveyor of information BUT they aren't always wrong. They were writing about a story from the informedchoiceaustralia website. GP wlll write about info from another source and they'll have a link to the original source. You can click on the links to actual scientific websites and many of the studies have abstracts that explain the results.

https://www.informedchoiceaustralia.com/post/1000-peer-reviewed-studies-questioning-covid-19-vaccine-safety

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[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 3 years ago

from their own studies

"Meaning Vigilance for rare adverse events, including myocarditis, after COVID-19 vaccination is warranted but should not diminish overall confidence in vaccination during the current pandemic."

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[–] joej2923 (3021) 3 years ago

I interpreted that to be a disclaimer that would prevent the medical establishment from cancelling the researchers. A lot of doctors are getting fired from medical establishments for openly discussing the problems with the vaccines. Peter McCullough is a cardiologist who was fired from Baylor for his views on covid.

https://www.examiner-enterprise.com/story/news/2021/10/06/doctor-fired-baylor-spreading-covid-19-misinformation-finds-supportive-crowd-bartlesville/5995698001/

https://unherd.com/2022/01/we-need-to-talk-about-the-vaccines/ * professor examines McCullough/Malone claims *

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[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 3 years ago

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/93936

no he wasn't. he was claiming to still be with Baylor

"Taylor Scott & White Health sued former employee and cardiologist Peter McCullough, MD, last week, alleging that he illegitimately affiliated himself with its facilities when promoting controversial views about COVID-19.

Nearly 6 months after McCullough's employment had ended, he continued to use his former professional titles -- such as "vice chief of internal medicine at Baylor University Medical Center" -- in media interviews in which he spread his opinions about the pandemic, the lawsuit alleged."

this is why the covid skeptic/ anti vaccine community gets mocked and not taken seriously

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[–] joej2923 (3021) 3 years ago

The article above from the examiner-enterprise website noted that McCullough was fired by Baylor in February 2021. McCullough was the co-author of an August 2020 report in the American Journal of Medicine on using hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin for covid treatment. I'm not familiar with the Baylor lawsuit but McCullough was a cardiologist at Baylor for around seven years and he has been a cardiologist for over twenty-five years. A lot of doctors are getting in trouble for prescribing the inexpensive Ivermectin drug and discouraging vaccines.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10466285/The-truth-Joe-Rohans-controversial-guests-Dr-Malone-Dr-McCullough.html ** comprehensive info on Malone and McCullough - deep dive **

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-58315530 * anti-vax doc suspended *

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mississippi-doctor-fired-anti-vaccine-parasite-medication-ivermectin/

https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/houston-methodist-doctor-resigns-over-anti-vaccine-mandate-pro-ivermectin-tweets/285-cc692887-75f4-41f3-a2cb-07e6ec45bbf6

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[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 3 years ago

yes man that ivermectin, made by your mom and pop pharmacies. totally inexpensive vs a 20$ vaccine....

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[–] Gd5150 (11747) 3 years ago

Such a shame. Completely unnecessary. All so a certain political party and their media can skim off the profits made by big pharma on these sham “vaccines” that don’t vaccinate.

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[–] Rorikon (17855) 3 years ago

Yep, that's the gamble with the vaccine. Still outweighs the risks of actually getting COVID though but then again, I guess that depends on the age of the person and condition so again, a gamble. Either get mild COVID via vaccine which induces the effects of COVID minus watery lungs or get real COVID. If you never got COVID, you're better off not getting the vaccine, maybe. If you got COVID you're better off getting vaxxed after since your body can take it.

I never got COVID but I have been fully vaxed with Pfizer so there's that. The only effects I got were a sore arm at the injection sight and a slight chest tightening which subsided some days later, chest tightening a few weeks.

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[–] joej2923 (3021) 3 years ago

I just think the vaccine should be a personal choice for individuals. The vaccine does not prevent infection or transmission. It supposedly helps against hospitalization and death BUT I remain skeptical. I still assert that the long-term effects of the mRNA gene therapy are uncertain.

I used the old adage canaries in a coal mine previously since some people face immediate problems from the vaccine while others might suffer consequences in a few years. It ordinarily takes a few years to get approval of vaccines and I believe the vaccines were approved in under a year. Pfizer and the FDA are fighting the FOIA request to release vaccine trial data and I'm convinced that they are hiding the incriminating data.

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[–] CraigC (8160) 3 years ago

The left says "trust the science" and just conveniently dismisses any "science" that doesn't fit the narrative. And they wonder why we don't trust their words??? They're just mad we're not as stupid as they are.

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[–] joej2923 (3021) 3 years ago

I'm not sure if it's a left or right issue. The Supreme Court denied the OSHA mandate but supported the mandates for medical professionals. There are parallels between the "my body, my choice" abortion debate and the vaccine mandates. I suspect that most of the right-wing Supreme Court justices have Roe vs. Wade in the back of their mind when they are making rulings.

My other conspiracy theory is that big pharma wants everyone vaccinated so there isn't a control group of unvaccinated people. All these vaccinated people are going to eventually have health problems BUT everybody will have health issues if they are all vaccinated. The sneaky part about this gene therapy is that it instructs the body to make the spike protein and it is the same spike protein that could potentially kill people.

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[–] CraigC (8160) 3 years ago

It's become a left vs right issue but never should have been. There are a lot of minorities who are not vaccinated for a similar reason, distrust of the gov't. People want to demonize the firearms' industry but really have no clue what a monster big pharma really is. They are the ones that have the most power and influence.

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[–] Keelai (34858) 3 years ago

"Any medical professional I have spoken to and who has looked into this further has been quick to disregard the vaccine as the cause as “the research” shows myocarditis cases only happening within two weeks of an administered dose."

It sounds like he didn't die within the time frame and had the condition for many months. The wife used QAnon terminology, so she is likely in the cult.

Ironically, the funeral will require proof of vaccination.

Posting vaccination disinformation like the OP story is dangerous to public safety. Monitors should take note.

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[–] joej2923 (3021) 3 years ago

What do you consider QAnon terminology? There are certain words that are used by EVERYONE so I don't know what is considered QAnon terminology.

His widow asserts that her husband never had covid so she is convinced that the mRNA vaccine caused his myocarditis. This is a real story from a real person and the funeral home confirms the death.

Your post above is in violation of the third standard of this site since you are trying to intimidate and bully me by accusing me of posting vaccine disinformation. I welcome a debate about the issues BUT you continuously attack an threaten people who disagree with you.

3. Content that harasses, intimidates or bullies an individual https://moviechat.org/standards

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[–] Keelai (34858) 3 years ago

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[–] joej2923 (3021) 3 years ago

You never answered my question about what you consider qAnon terminology?

I don't consider the opinion of mediabiasfactcheck to be any better than anyone else's opinion. One has to evaluate individual articles for their merit instead of focusing on the publication. I've been following the news for over thirty-five years so I know how to evaluate various sources of news. I will admit that the Gateway Pundit is biased BUT that doesn't mean they are wrong on all issues.

I put the funeral home link in the original post to corroborate the Gateway Pundit story's claims.

CNN certainly cannot be trusted after they continuously told the lie that CRT is not taught in VA schools. Don't forget that MSNBC was barred from the courtroom after a producer tried to follow the jury bus to identify members of the jury. Identifying members of the jury could be a form of intimidation.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/winsome-sears-cnn-host-critical-race-theory-virginia ** dana bash CRT LIE **

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/privilege-bingo-in-fairfax-co-class-meets-controversy-after-it-includes-being-a-military-kid/2942443/ ** VA privilege bingo **

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[–] Keelai (34858) 3 years ago

"that doesn't mean they are wrong on all issues."

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No GQPer accepts facts that contradict their conspiracy theories.

Obviously, you have no idea what CRT is.

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[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

There's not quite a million deaths from Covid: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

There's NO WHERE that from the vaccine: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. More than 543 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through February 3, 2022. During this time, VAERS received 12,122 preliminary reports of death (0.0022%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA clinicians review reports of death to VAERS including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records.

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[–] joej2923 (3021) 3 years ago

You posted the same link two days ago so I'll regurgitate some of the links that I posted before. It might be too much info. I remain skeptical of official death data since there are inefficiencies in the data gathering/reporting and the people in charge usually get bonuses or compensation based on the reported numbers. The article below notes that the Indiana AG does not trust government death data and Medpagetoday reported on inconsistent CDC death data. I prefer to rely on real stories from real people instead of organizational reports. The last article talks about a shortage of qualified medical examiners and coroners.

https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana/indiana-ag-defends-saying-covid-19-numbers-can-t-be-trusted/article_4430afea-7259-11ec-aca1-838230958eef.html ** Indiana AG skeptical of numbers **

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10482947/US-Department-health-officially-ENDS-recording-COVID-deaths-daily-toll-surpasses-900-000.html ** hospitals no longer required to report data to HHS??? **

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/96423 ** CDC reporting inconsistencies **

https://www.westernjournal.com/right-experts-confirm-covid-deaths-massively-inflated-actual-numbers-dramatically-lower-official-count/

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/10/health/covid-data-problems/index.html

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/nation/2021/12/22/covid-deaths-obscured-inaccurate-death-certificates/8899157002/

https://www.governing.com/archive/gov-coroner-medical-examiner-drugs-opiods.html

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[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

"I remain skeptical of official death data"

Of course you do.

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[–] ultravioletx (10237) 3 years ago

34-year-olds never develop myocarditis?

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[–] joej2923 (3021) 3 years ago

I'm not a medical professional but I've never heard of a guy in his thirties who suddenly drops dead of heart trouble. The website below has links to a bunch of studies that show a linkage between the covid vaccines and heart trouble.

https://www.informedchoiceaustralia.com/post/1000-peer-reviewed-studies-questioning-covid-19-vaccine-safety

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[–] moviefanatic505 (6097) 3 years ago

Who should we trust doctors or someone on a message board?

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[–] joej2923 (3021) 3 years ago

I recommend you trust doctors over someone on a message board. Get a second opinion from another MD if you think your MD is incompetent. The two articles below show that doctors don't always get it right.

https://leightonlaw.com/12-famous-medical-malpractice-cases/

https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Analysis-A-short-history-of-when-vaccines-went-15530841.php

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[–] moviefanatic505 (6097) 3 years ago

Good so I won't be listening to you. Thanks for that.

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[–] ultravioletx (10237) 3 years ago

The correct answer is a 34-year-old can develop myocarditis without the covid vaccine.

This is why anecdotal evidence isn't the way to go. You have to know the statistics of all the people in their 30s who develop myocarditis before covid was a thing, and then compare that data to today, and find out how many more people in their 30s are developing the condition.

Without that, you are barking at the wall.

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