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Why couldn't they be both spacefaring and seafaring? Besides, if they're not aliens then they're native to the planet.

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There's been stories/reports of classic saucer, cigar and triangle ships coming out of/going into water for decades, and all of the OG UFO investigators with some credibility have relayed these accounts in their many books, from Raymond Fowler to Jacques Vallée to Whitley Stieber (who I also suspect blends possible genuine accounts with drug-induced fever dreams) to Bud Hopkins, but the consensus seems to be that they're more likely interdimensional, possibly explaining how these craft defy the laws of physics (e.g. they exist fourth or fifth-dimensionally). I especially recommend the work of Jacques Vallée, who has done some interesting associations with mythology and fairy lore. Or, that could all be bunk, and these are anti-gravity unmanned drones from Proxima Centauri B.

The water connection is also interesting if considering the possibility as presented in the works of someone like Graham Hancock of a prediluvian advanced civilization that inspired the myth of Atlantis, in which case perhaps there's some degree of truth to Plato's retelling of Solon's story that he had in turn heard from an Egyptian priest (a story that is actually touched on with hieroglyphs that Egyptologists avoid discussing like the plague). There's a lot of rabbit holes to slide down into after 74 years since Roswell, but the notion is quite intriguing, given the footage from military sources recently (and past accounts involving military personnel like Rendlesham Forest).

Considering the vastness of space, and that even if moving at the speed of light it would require 4.3 light years (thousands of years using more traditional methods of propulsion) to travel to the nearest star system within our galaxy Alpha Centauri, which is approximately 25 trillion miles from Earth, an ancient advanced underwater-based civilization is actually much more plausible. In addition, it would explain why they’d be so interested in what’s going on with nuclear facilities (a pattern that’s been observed for decades), because there’d be a strong possibility of what we’re doing up here with nuclear material and byproduct affecting them.

Also, it seems to be the only subject that unifies left-minded and right-minded people on this and other boards, which quite honestly, I find just as interesting. If someone were to want to, they could use this as a tool to stitch together some divides.

I must say, though, that I'm still highly skeptical about all this, despite having an interest in it.
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Water is made up of hydrogen which could be harvested as their fuel. That may be the reason why they're around it.

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Or they could be extraterrestrials studying lifeforms in our oceans, too. Earth's creatures don't only live on land.

It doesn't appear logical that humanoids living in the oceans would be hiding and remain completely undiscovered since Earth's beginning.

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It's fun to speculate, but keep in mind that scientifically-speaking all we know boils down to the following:

1.) Several military-validated videos depicting so-called "tic tac" objects have been leaked
2.) The objects are seemingly under intelligent control
3.) The objects appear to defy the laws of physics by:
3a.) Moving in and out of water without disturbing the surface
3b.) Hovering still or moving at right angles at high speeds
3c.) Moving faster than biological life should be able to survive in gravity
4.) The objects have no clear method of propulsion, nor wings
5.) The objects are very similar to certain UFO types reported in past decades

The notion that these videos depict something related to the numerous reports and books over the decades is plausible, but at this point that material is so all over the place and filled with malarky that it doesn’t really serve a proper investigation. But as long as item 1 above is true, items 2 through 5 definitely present some intriguing possibilities, and it really needs to be thoroughly studied.

Who knows, it's possible that Bob Lazar wasn't crazy after all with his tales about Area 51, although once looking into his claims there's definitely some holes that need filled in, so take it with a grain of salt (if you’ve never heard of Bob Lazar it’d be worth looking him up; whether he's telling the truth or not, he's a pretty fascinating character).

The recent claim by Lue Elizondo (former pentagon director) that the U.S. government has possession of exotic material retrieved from one of these crafts seems to fit right into Lazar’s stories. Even so, this is all still highly speculative.

So unlike Fox Mulder, I recommend that everyone make their best effort to…
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Most of the UFO books are garbage and I ignore them. I googled Bob Lazar. A crook and hustler. He has no credibility so I'll ignore him, too.

Lue Elizondo is more credible. He was the former director of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (ATTIP), the Pentagon task force created to study UFOs. He had access to classified information. He's the one who declassified the three UFO videos. Another official leaked them after Elizondo resigned. Elizondo also worked in the Dept. of Defense as a counterintelligence officer so he understands and is concerned about national security.

For now, we're going to get bread crumbs re: information. The Pentagon UFO acknowledgement isn't for the public, anyway. They need to remove the stigma to help national security.

We know much more than you listed. The military pilots' encounters with UAPs are very detailed. The CIA released thousands of pages due to FOIA requests which date from the 1940s.
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/collection/ufos-fact-or-fiction

"The Cometa Report:UFO's And Defense - What Should We Prepare For" compiled by French officials.
https://ia800403.us.archive.org/17/items/pdfy-NRIQie2ooVehep7K/The%20Cometa%20Report%20%5BUFO%27s%20And%20Defense%20-%20What%20Should%20We%20Prepare%20For%5D.pdf

The British government released their UFO information:
https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20111224012110/http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Unidentified_Flying_Objects_%28UFOs%29

Material from a crash wouldn't be surprising. After 80 years, one of them should have crashed by now.
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Yeah Lazar's stories are very shaky at best, and you're right most of the books are nonsense. Sticking to official documents and the testimony of verified military and government personnel is really the only legit way to study whatever is going on.

Those are some great links!
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While the shape and way it moves doesn't look like anything we've ever seen - and it's undeniable - I have a hard time believing it's not simply tech from governments around the world. How could their be other human-level intelligence either on or visiting this planet regularly and we have NEVER confirmed it? outside the crafts, I mean. No communication, no evidence an alien is driving those ships...NOTHING.

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The problem is that it IS deniable, things that appear on camera don't always exist in real life. The reason task forces exist to study these is because we KNOW they're false readings and we're trying to figure out what is actually going on.

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So James Cameron was right?

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Was thinking the same thing. Great movie! What Jim isn't right about is letting the project to remaster The Abyss (and True Lies) in HD to Blu Ray languish in limbo for years. For now I guess I have to be satisfied with my extended edition DVD.
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When are the stupid humans going to learn that UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object, UFOs are simply anything that appears on radar or is sighted by the military that appears to be flying and is unidentified. A crashed weather balloon makes you all go crazy.

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Thing is, when that thing crashed into the ocean, they mentioned crashed object. When they went to investigate... Nothing was ever found. cue X-Files music

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It's possible since humans can't really go deeper down in the ocean then a few hundred feet that aliens would use the ocean to conceal themselves. If they were based anywhere on land they'd soon be stumbled upon.

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