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Props to Biden for acknowledging the massacre of 1.5M Armenians in 1915


America has sat on the fence about this for a century.

It happened. Screw Turkey for denying it.

Biden has won my respect on this issue.

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I genuinely like Armenians - there are a lot in Southern California. As a culture, they're up there with the Jews, Japanese, Germans, Persians...

But I call bullshit on all this rage about something that happened 106 years ago on the other side of the world.

We have bigger problems, like stopping rednecks from hunting and killing Black Americans that are out jogging.

Shut up and be Americans.

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Armenian Americans have pushed the US Gov to acknowledge this for decades. So it does affect Americans.

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The only effect Biden's declaration has is that it pisses off a bunch of people in Turkey, and there are probably 6 people in Turkey today that were alive in 1915, and none of them can even remember their own name.

I see this activism by the Armenians as embarrassing... they just need to keep doing what they do now, take care of their businesses, raise good American children, stand out above the rest. If I were Generalissimo I'd let everyone from Armenia immigrate to the U.S.

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You mean like the idiots here, whining about reparations?

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Please cease with your inane chatter. Rednecks are not hunting and killing Black Americans. You and your ilk just continue stirring the caca! You are an antagonist! Now if you had wrote:

”We have bigger problems, like stopping Blacks from hunting and killing Black Americans...”

You would be telling the truth instead of lying. Without fail:

Deny, Dismiss, Deflect, and/or Dumbfound fits you and others to a T!

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Ilk !?

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There's "rednecks hunting and killing Black Americans that are out jogging"? Or was that a facetious statement, I hope?

The actual "big problem" that no one wants to talk about is that although Black men and boys ages 15 to 34 make up just 2% of the nation's population, they were among 37% of gun-related homicides in 2019. FBI data from 2017 reveals that 80.2% of white victims were killed by white offenders, 8.9% of Black victims were killed by whites, 88.5% of Black victims were killed by Blacks, and 16.1% of whites were killed by Blacks. The vast majority of murders are not interracial, and are not racially motivated.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/topic-pages/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

Consider those percentages with the fact that while black men of all ages comprise only about 6% of the U.S. population (if including women, 13% total), black men (and a few black women) commit around 30% of all crime and 50% of all homicides in the entire country. I’ll repeat that: 6% (more like 2% since most of these murders are committed by black men age 15 to 34) of the entire U.S. population commits 30% of all crime, and 50% of all homicides in the country! 50 freakin’ percent by 6%.

The big problem isn’t "rednecks hunting and killing Black Americans that are out jogging" (although that is indeed a problem to rectify, it’s an extremely small percentage of homicides). It's blacks killing other blacks in the warzones they live in.

Working for the KC Freedom Project as a videographer and editor, I've had to compile far too many surveillance videos of blacks killing other blacks because one of them mouthed off to the other in a gas station (these videos help determine elements such as who shot first). I can't imagine what it's like living as a black person in those warzone conditions, and far too many times innocent young lives suffer, such as seven-year-old Jaslyn Adams sitting in a car with her dad in a McDonald’s drive-through a few days back.

But no one wants to talk about that.

No one puts Jaslyn’s face on T-Shirts or posters. No one protests this plague of violence, nor loots and burns down neighboring businesses for months on end over it. There’s not a peep about it on CNN or MSNBC because it doesn’t fit into their absurd racism-based narrative. No one seems to want to talk or do anything about this genuine scourge of lives. Why do liberals bend over backwards trying to avoid acknowledging this massive problem? It’s as if they want that problem to continue going on.

https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/604a86c0b6eeb763cc82d99d/The-Hard-Truth-About-Police-Shootings
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tl;dr

Ahmaud Arbery still dead.

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Yes, that was tragic, and the product of deranged racists, but do not ALL black lives matter?

So, I repeat:

"The big problem isn’t "rednecks hunting and killing Black Americans that are out jogging" (although that is indeed a problem to rectify, it’s an extremely small percentage of homicides). It's blacks killing other blacks in the warzones they live in."

While you focus on just the few that suit your agenda, I focus on all, including the multitude that for some inexplicable reason you ignore. I have to see it and live with what I see daily. Shame on you and your misguided, corrupt ideology. You're no better than the men who committed that atrocity. And yet they are very small in number, while believers like you are legion.

You hold the real power, and yet you squander it and misuse it on vain, destructive pursuits.

Also, you found that too long to read? Telling.
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I'm a middle aged white man. I don't live in a black community, I don't live near a black community. If blacks bother you guys so goddamned much, just frickin move somewhere else. I'm sure there are trailer parks in places like Maine and Idaho.

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Agreed. It seems they come here just to vent with likeminded individuals about their disdain for black people, anonymously of course. There's never an attempt to understand anything or have a real discussion.

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Yes! They come here just to reaffirm their bias for everything that Fox News puts out rather than being interested in another viewpoint or idea. The need to have people agree with them is huge.

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Way to jump on the bandwagon and get it completely wrong by not actually reading the thread. Not that you're completely wrong about some of the posts on here, but perhaps read before posting a reply. Also, you should recognize that the three of you just did the exact thing you just stated others were doing.
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The three prior replies to you bears witness to what I post in reference to the alt-left Democrats:

Deny, Dismiss, Deflect, and/or Dumbfound!

They cannot, will not handle the truths, the facts as you’ve presented. It doesn’t fit their agenda...being a White killing a Black and latching onto it in order to bring the ignorant into the fold.

Without a doubt, if it had been a Black cop instead of the Hated Whitey Chauvin, Floyd would not have been interred in a gold plated casket, no televised airing of the dirge, no 27 million dollar payout, no new Poster Child of brutality, no BLM burning, looting, & murdering of innocents, etc., etc.

These 3 posters are race warlords who don’t give a rat’s patootie over the slaughtering of Blacks by other Blacks. Do they see BLM marching in the ghettos? Hell no! Have they ever voiced their disdain over the Burning, Looting, Murdering by BLM and Antifa? Again...no because it doesn’t fit their bigoted narrative. They are consumed with bigotry; bigotry against Whites.

Not a word of understanding regarding your post and your empathy over a Black child being murdered. Not a word about the Black on Black crime as you presented. Instead they attack you, the Messenger who wrote the following:

”I can't imagine what it's like living as a black person in those warzone conditions, and far too many times innocent young lives suffer, such as seven-year-old Jaslyn Adams sitting in a car with her dad in a McDonald’s drive-through a few days back.”

From that they accuse you of having “disdain for Black people”. This is a glaring truth...they are unable to think outside the alt-left box!


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Indeed, and well-said. I think they, or really anyone steeped in belief and ideology, fail to really listen, or in this case read, what others they perceive as having an opposing viewpoint say or write. They go into it with preconceptions, i.e. bias, and then instead of digesting what's presented and incorporating it into their thought process, immediately accuse them of the very bias they themselves are exhibiting.

This is the same kind of group-think, cultish behavior that organized cults like Scientology employ to control their members, and is unfortunately an evolved, innate tribalistic aspect of human nature that takes effort and self-reprogramming to circumvent. I try my best to maintain reason and not get frustrated by it, recognizing that such behavior is part of their conditioning, hoping that logic will eventually prevail.

It's often a fruitless effort, whether they're engrained to the left or right, but I do try.
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One of my favorite expressions is “It’s like talking to the wall!” You cannot penetrate their deep seated beliefs. You give them facts, but to no avail. They will not, cannot see the truth laid before them. You are an affront to their ideology and to those they support.

Their hatred of Trump and his voters has taken over them. TDS may or may not be at this moment in time a recognized mental disorder, but it’s being studied.

”Many have argued that some people have been seriously disturbed and distressed by the policies, speech, behavior, and tweets of President Trump, so much so that it has affected their cognitive, affective, and behavioral functioning. Such people may need mental health support. As such, further research is necessary to investigate the extreme reactions toward President Trump, in the same way that researchers investigate other extreme social phenomena, such as Beatlemania or the like. This will shed light on the reality of this emerging folk category that has been labelled by many as "Trump Derangement Syndrome."

“Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is a mental condition in which a person has been driven effectively insane due to their dislike of Donald Trump, to the point at which they will abandon all logic and reason.”

Justin Raimondo, the editorial director of Antiwar.com, wrote a piece in the Los Angeles Times in 2016 that broke TDS down into three distinct phases or stages:

1.“In the first stage of the disease, victims lose all sense of proportion. The president-elect’s every tweet provokes a firestorm, as if 140 characters were all it took to change the world.”

2.“The mid-level stages of TDS have a profound effect on the victim’s vocabulary: Sufferers speak a distinctive language consisting solely of hyperbole.”

3“As TDS progresses, the afflicted lose the ability to distinguish fantasy from reality.”


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I don’t know if you’ve realized but Trump isn’t the President of the United States anymore . . .

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Really? No kidding? You missed my points completely. I’m not going to belabor them again! 🙇🏼‍♀️

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See this type of logic goes both ways. With Chauvin kneeling on Floyd's neck people immediately want to say well Floyd was a trash human. Okay but that is irrelevant and does not excuse what the officer did. Do I think Floyd is some Marder that should be looked up to? Nope just because someone dies does not make them a good person. However none of that is relevant to Chauvin. People can't simply say what that officer did was wrong. Not once did I ever go the race route. I saw an officer committing a crime. No matter what color the person was he did that to I would have been just as upset.

I do not believe all cops are evil but I am also not in the camp of cops can do no wrong. There exist both types of people rather than examining it in a case by case basis. People want to generalize. Some people absolutely did hate Trump but I find it funny that the right gets so upset about people hating Trump but they had no issue when people spread lies or hated Obama. Am I some Obama lover? No but in the end I do not like Trump myself. I found him to be a loud mouth bigot that was a hypocrite.

The other thing is people want to deny that certain privilege's for certain people exist.

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Nicely put. Indeed, nothing is solely black or white, right or left, East or West, etc. As soon as someone picks a side, they're on the wrong side. Locking into a belief closes one's mind to other possibilities. As you describe, both "sides" contain elements that can be concurrently true (e.g. Floyd can be an unsavory criminal who's actions put himself in direct conflict with the police that led to his death, and Chauvin can cross a line and keep Floyd pinned to the ground too long while ignoring his medical distress, but also mob justice can lead to Chauvin being charged and convicted of more than he was actually guilty of--all of these can be simultaneously true). It doesn't have to be one or the other, but tribalistic tendencies lead people to clique up and pick a side.

I would agree that there are indeed some who have privilege over others, but I wouldn't agree that it's about race in most cases. Although as an organic byproduct of social evolution it does in some areas roughly follow along racial lines, the cause is generationally propagated means, status, and culture, not race itself. But the left has for some reason used race as a tool for division in recent years more strongly than ever, pushing the oversimplified notions of systemic racism, white privilege, etc. to a point of breaking the country, in part perhaps spurred on by Trump's inflammatory rhetoric, demeanor and fifth grade grammar that many on the left willfully misinterpreted in many instances.

Bottom line: no side will ever be 100% correct. Reality doesn't work that way.
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Pot, meet kettle.
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Ineffective attempt at deflection and obfuscation, but your racism is even more evident with this type of lame tactic. All you've done is prove that you don't care about the deluge of black lives lost every year, that you don't want to help those who want help out of their situation. The truth, it seems, is that black people bother you. You should engage in some deep self-reflection and endeavor to discover why that is instead of resorting to fruitless internet attacks.

I have a suggestion on where to start:

First, read and digest my post. Then, make an actual effort to start caring about black lives instead of exploiting the few that fit your agenda while playing word games with those who call you out on your bullshit. Acknowledge how far up your ass your head is. Try to make a real difference. Or, go ahead and continue hiding in safety while throwing anonymous, inane, asinine jabs at people on the internet instead of diving into the fray and helping people in need.

Seriously, why do you hate black people so much that you want them to slaughter each other in the streets?

Side note: I'm a middle-aged white man. I don't live in a black community. I don't live near a black community. But I still do what I can to help those wrongfully incarcerated (black or otherwise, but mostly black) working with the KC Freedom Project by a segment of the local police force and prosecutors bent with corruption, putting me in their crosshairs.

What have you risked today? Anything? No? Because you don't actually care about anyone's life but your own.
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"All you've done is prove that you don't care about the deluge of black lives lost every year, that you don't want to help those who want help out of their situation."

Just two of the ideas I've posted multiple times before:

In Los Angeles we have IMO at least 5 Cal State University campuses (campi?) that we can live without. Change those to "boarding schools" for K-12 (or 5-12 or whatever) for the kids in the worst ghettos.

Make all handguns illegal, make possession a felony. Give (GIVE) everyone who wants one an assault rifle PROVIDED that they are members of a well-regulated militia, which IMO is as simple as having a former corporal seeing all 12 guys at the local park and reporting any guy with crazy eye.

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Wow, that’s a complete 180. I appreciate that effort instead of continuing the flame game. Knowing myself, this reply will be long, so please don’t respond unless you read it in its entirety and thoughtfully contemplate a response. I don’t blame you if you just want to ignore it. This will be more stream of consciousness than anything organized, so may be subject to correction and refinement (on the other hand, so should everything be).

I don’t have enough detailed first-hand knowledge to speak to the efficacy of your first idea. It would need to be researched and planned out by those in a position to adequately do so. But I think it sounds like a worthy goal, and with you being a resident you’d have insight into that specific situation. Anything that gives youngsters a place for education, perhaps removing them from environments that condition them toward a gang lifestyle, has value.

Which dovetails into what in my view is the only thing that can truly in the long run start to help rectify the root of the problem: a change in culture. This would include an effort to teach less fortunate people that they aren’t victims and that with effort, and a helping hand, they can pull themselves out of the mire. It’s all about mindset. They’re already in dire circumstances, and them being told daily that they’re victims only depresses and suppresses them further. I’ve personally witnessed that a little bit of help and lot of encouragement goes a very long way.

But giving them endless free money doesn’t help them. It traps them. And it’s a trap that’s perpetuated generationally, snowballing as time goes on into the mess we have today. It’s all of our faults. We stood by for decades throwing money at the problem, but money can at best only serve as a temporary band aid, and like crack cocaine people can build a dependency on getting it free. Instead, they need to be encouraged and taught to help themselves, to rise up and work for what they want, to find a sense of purpose and sense of belonging to a larger, shared culture. Humans have evolved the need to have a sense of purpose. There is no easy fix. It will take time and effort and generations to resolve, but this is really the only way out the hole, long-term.

For your second idea, I don’t think making all handguns illegal is feasible. Not that I wouldn’t snap my fingers and make all guns disappear if I had an Infinity Gauntlet, but that’s about how magical that solution would need to be to actually work. The U.S. is so saturated with handguns, with so many people attached to them, and there are so many already illegally owned by criminal elements, that it would never fly. Making selling firearms illegal (as opposed to or in addition to owning them) might be more effective, but laws in this regard tend to hinder only law-abiding citizens. They do little to stop criminals. All it would do is take guns away from those who need to defend themselves, or it would force them to become criminals themselves by obtaining them illegally.

I’m also not sure that handing out assault rifles is a good idea, although if an individual is ex-military perhaps there is something to the notion that they would qualify as part of a “well-regulated militia”. But a true assault rifle is a weapon of war, and should only be handled by military personal with extensive training, certainly no redneck, gun-crazy yahoo who might pop off at any moment. However, we already in effect have a well-regulated militia with the National Guard. Perhaps expanding the role and purpose of that organization is something to consider. But even if some new militia is put together, proper training is an imperative, and like you say it must be well-regulated.

When it comes to civilian-owned firearms, I see two essentials: 1.) legally owning a non-militarized, i.e. “civilian grade”, firearm should come with a mandatory two weeks of training and certification, and 2.) extensive background and psychological checks should be required. Shame on any Republicans who are deadest against these ideas purely for political purposes (also shame on Democrats who attach ridiculous special interest pork to such bills, which is usually why Republicans oppose them). Also, any effort to ban so-called “assault rifles” is a fruitless effort and little more than a virtual signal, I must add. A very small percentage of homicides involve them. Almost all firearm deaths are from handguns. In addition, AR-15s are not assault rifles. As an ex-marine, I’m qualified to make that statement. They look similar to M-16’s, which is a real weapon of war, so I can understand the confusion, but they aren’t. It’s not about how a weapon looks. It’s about its caliber, firing rate and capacity.

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Technology includes a potentially promising consideration regarding firearms. Fingerprint scanning tech has existed for quite some time now. Laws to require all newly manufactured firearms to have one built-in, along with a trade-in program to collect and destroy legacy weapons, might be worth looking at. The owner’s fingerprint would have to be a part of the registration process, and would be unlocked on the device at the place of purchase (and yes, that fingerprint would be put into IAFIS at that time as well).

This would alleviate the selling of guns outside of officially regulated establishments and trade facilities. It would also make selling guns illegally more difficult. Although hackers would find a way around it, it would still greatly curtail illegally owned firearms, even if it wouldn’t completely stop it, by making it much more difficult to acquire one that could actually be used. It would also prevent accidents by unregistered users, especially children, and would prevent a weapon from being taken off someone’s person and used against them.

I mean, if a 19-year-old can make one….

A 19-Year-Old Just Built the First Fingerprint-Reading Smart Gun - WSJ
https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-19-year-old-just-built-the-first-fingerprint-reading-smart-gun-1475850207

However, there could very well be potential pitfalls with the idea of smart guns I’m not thinking of. And the timing of and exact mechanism to unlock the firearm would have to be carefully studied and considered. For example, after unlocking, how long does it remain unlocked? Or, would it be better to require constant pressure on the grip? Although, that might restrict the effectiveness of its usage. There’s a lot of factors to consider by experts who would be qualified to do so, and incentivizing “big gun” to participate may be necessary.

Here’s What’s Up With "Smart Guns" — And Why You Can’t Buy One In The US
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/nicolenguyen/what-is-smart-gun-technology

And unfortunately, all of that would be hindered by low-tech guns continuing to illegally flow across the border, so I think you know where that leads. I’m not going to add that to the conversation at this point, but it highlights how it all ties together in one big complex web for which there are no easy solutions.

Which is why I say that the only real long-term solution for those 50% of homicides that are committed by black men age 15 to 34 (mostly against each other), as well as a good portion of homicides committed by other “races”, is to change how people think, change the culture of violence in these inner cities and elsewhere, and stop oppressing them with programs that only serve to trap them in a cycle of poverty. This can only happen if a lot more people risk working with them to show them there is a better way, and that their lives are worth living to the fullest outside of those abysmal conditions. They don’t know what they don’t know.
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I was with you up until this point:

”Technology includes a potentially promising consideration regarding firearms. Fingerprint scanning tech has existed for quite some time now. Laws to require all newly manufactured firearms to have one built-in, along with a trade-in program to collect and destroy legacy weapons, might be worth looking at. The owner’s fingerprint would have to be a part of the registration process, and would be unlocked on the device at the place of purchase (and yes, that fingerprint would be put into IAFIS at that time as well).

I cannot support fingerprinting and locking the weapon. When my dad died I inherited all of his weapons, which I gave to my husband. I didn’t hunt and at the time didn’t have a CW. If my dad’s weapons had been locked they would have been useless to us. We would not have been able to give to a family member, we would not have been able to sell, etc. Whether you realize it or not you are blaming the weapon...not who is using the weapon.

Something dreadful has occurred in our society which has brought about the “gun control” mantra. We didn’t have the mass shootings, Blacks slaughtering Blacks when I was in high school. We had a gun club. I walked to school with guys who had their rifles on their shoulders! None of us had any thought of harming others. The fisticuffs were used, but never did a handgun appear. I was raised with high caliber rifles hanging on the wall. Never once did I touch them.

An inanimate object is being blamed for deaths by guns. I have yet to see one fire itself without human intervention. A truck wipes out 80 plus people, was the truck blamed, or was the driver? Thugs slaughtered 6 people and a little dog with a baseball bat was the bat blamed or the thugs? In 1966 when Charles Whitman murdered 14 people & wounded many others from the tower at the University of Texas, the rifle wasn’t blamed, Charles Whitman was blamed. Firearms are not the killers. It’s man’s inhumanity to man.

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Yeah, the concept needs to be deeply probed for viability, for sure. But actually, I'm not blaming the weapon, only the users, once taken within the full context of my post (that should be pretty clear with how I laid it all out). Making a weapon more difficult to use, or in other words limiting who can use it, would undoubtedly lead to prevention, however, so I'm not opposed to certain ideas. For the scenario you propose, a lock could easily be transferred at any gun shop or designated facility (which would need to be readily available for this to work), so that wouldn't be an issue. Not only that, but more than one person's fingerprint could be added, meaning your entire family could have already been imprinted. Everyone who would be registered on a device would first need prerequisite training and certification.

But you're right about the gun control mantra. It's become a virtue signal for the left that has no substantial meaning or value. The real solution is, as I said, a change in culture, mindset, worldview, for those who abuse any weapon for any reason. For anyone doubting this, just take a look at the recent spate of stabbings. Even if accessibility to guns was somehow limited, people with the inclination to do others harm would still find a way to do so. So yes, you're right, while I do feel there are some mitigating measures that can be done regarding limiting guns themselves that would help reduce gun-related incidents, the real problem isn't the guns. It's the people who use them. I completely agree with that.

Thus, the requirement for training/certification and background/psychological checks for firearms.

But it’s also why I essentially proceeded to nullify the entire idea I presented by revealing the holes in it. It would be very difficult to remove all legacy firearms. It’s simply not possible to do it in a short period of time, and would probably require decades of effort. Perhaps that effort is worth it. But the bigger weak point is the deluge of illegal weapons pouring across the border, which leads to the other issue I only hinted at previously: for this to work it would first require a much stronger border, be it more length of wall (which Biden himself has warmed up to now that he’s being impacted by the reality of it), manpower, whatever that entails. But some form of greater focus on controlling the border would be essential.
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Who are we? And how did we get here? What has happened to our culture which has made the peoples in our country so violent? It’s the acceptance of wrong doing which got its roots from the breakdown of the families. There’s no structure in the kids lives. If there are several kids...they have different sperm donors. These kids are left to their own committing crimes without compunction.

A 13 year old boy who had a handgun gets killed by a cop. This kid is running with a 21 year old thug. What do the blubbering morons on this board do? They go after the cop...not the kid or his sorry ass mother who’s probably at the nail salon getting her talons polished!

The mom of the year was the one who yanked her kid out of the Freddie Gray riots. She was caught clobbering her kid. If Black Lives Matters why aren’t they assisting her? She and her kids were left homeless after a fire. They only matter when a Whitey cop kills one...doesn’t matter if a crime is being committed. Whitey kills a Black!

I have had it up to here 🤷🏼‍♀️ with the blubbering morons making a certain group perpetual victims. Words are so damn cheap! Clinton with the assistance of Newt and the Republicans had these “victims” walking out of their cess pool of a life when the “Welfare to Work” program was initiated. Two years of welfare...then they had to go to work. They were given schooling and childcare assistance. It was working until Bush never vetoed a bill. He went along to get along. Followed by Obama who made them victims again. He detested cops and hated the military. We must have victims in order to retain power. We need them on the plantation! Which group is the enemy of the Blacks. It’s wasn’t Trump or the Republicans. It is without a doubt the blathering Democrats who take their pride while keeping them on that “Plantation”. When you think about it, there’s a bit of slavery going on there. The Dems make the Blacks dependent on them for their keep as they did decades ago.

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I agree with most of what you state here, but would also recommend to keep an open mind to alternate viewpoints. Don't get stuck in the rut of an ideology, be it left or right, or any belief-based system, really. Shed preconceptions, and avoid falling into that self-imposed trap. But your view of the situation aligns much closer to reality than the modern-day left. It was about 50/50 several decades back, but things have shifted so far that the left is barely in touch with reality anymore.
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Add to your tagline: Never a lemming or minion be to the alt-left.

I truly become irate at some on this board who are so far down the rabbit hole they will never be able to climb out into the light. They are unable to see the wrong committed by that 13 year old kid!He and his 21 year old thug pal were shooting at cars minutes earlier! It didn’t matter what his crimes were the inane left zeroed in on the Whitey cop killing a 13 year old Black criminal. And he was a criminal in the making. His mentor being a 21 year old thug.

If the kid had been White, the cop Black...their song and dance would be the kid deserved what he got. How I detest hypocrites! These people are so shallow they have to have a cause. What better cause to have is White cops bad...Blacks don’t deserve punishment because it’s racist.

They are unable to admit Blacks were doing very well before Covid. It goes against everything they stand for to admit that statement. Their hatred wiped away all the good before them. Vets don’t have to deal with the horrible treatment from the VA. Why? They now can see Civilian doctors. None of this is important to them.

Their mantra: Deny, Dismiss, Deflect and/or Dumbfound!

To:einstein,

There! Not political. Just the facts about hypocrites.

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I am going to use a quote you told me earlier. You dig your heels in when it comes to politics so how come you get upset when others do the same? In your words you said you have every right to. Well then others on the other end of the spectrum have the right to dig their heels in as well.

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Actually, my reply wasn’t political. It was about the hypocritical left who are race warlords. It could be anyone who takes up the banner and marches to the tune of BLM & Antifa. But, I will delete the Democrat reference and let my reply stand on its own. Maybe you will see the truth.

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I do not deny the hypocrisy of the left, you however seem to deny the hypocrisy of the right. Every time I see someone defending Chauvin their defense is Floyd was a trash human and criminal he deserved it. What does Floyd's past have to do with what took place? I agree he was not a good guy but that does not excuse Chauvin of his crime. Even if you think the world is better without him, that is fine but that does not mean Chauvin gets a free pass.

That 13 year old kid was in the wrong. Notice how I call out wrongdoings no matter the side? I will admit when a black person does wrong, because I do not see race. I however do not always think a killing by cop is always justified. Also since you hate hypocrites so much why do you support Trump so staunchly? Remember the guy who claimed voter fraud lost him the election? That is a hypocritical thing by the right. Had Trump won we would not hear one peep out of them about voter fraud. Since he lost it is voter fraud. Nice logic huh? If you lose it is a voter fraud but if you win it is fair and square. What a great message to teach people.

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May I inquire...what are you ranting about to me? I’ve never denied the hypocrisy of the right. I’ve never defended Chauvin so don’t tag me with that thought! By saying Floyd will no longer contribute to the gene pool doesn’t equate to he deserved to die as he did. With his criminal record it wouldn’t have been too much longer it would have been death by bullet...either by cop or another gangsta.

I don’t support “Trump so staunchly”! I voted for him for his policies...doesn’t mean I like the man. I don’t.

Why did you bring “voter fraud” into the discussion? I’ve never debated there was voter fraud. I just remarked there was a lot of shenanigans with this election, so get over it! He’s out! Pitchers struck him out!

Finally...would you please cease arguing for argument’s sake? You just throw anything and everything out there to see what sticks!

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When you say he will not be adding to the gene pool, that only fans the flame for people who think him being a bad guy is justification for Chauvin doing what he did. People like to divert to Floyd's past to downplay what Chauvin did. Now as I have stated here earlier do I believe he is some hero or saint heavens no but Chauvin committed police brutality.

I see you attempt to defend him an awful lot.

The same reason you brought up Russia. Annoying when someone does what are your words again? Deny, dismiss, deflect and or dumbfound. Bringing up Russia was a deflection.

Yes I will. Here is a question though why are you on here? You seem to not like opposition, therefore are you simply looking for validation? I am asking honestly. Honest discussion here I do not want to offend. I am sorry if I came across like that.

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And you like to nit pick, argue for the sake of arguements. You remind me of my kids when when they were little. “It’s her fault!” “No it’s not! It’s her fault!” While stomping her foot! Defend who? If you are referring to Chauvin...no way, no how! To say someone got caught up in the heat of the moment; to say the thug wouldn’t be dead if the he had co-operated; does not excuse Chauvin. He should have been cut loose from the police force long before the killing occurred. Now please go argue with someone else...or yourself! It works wonders!

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No actually that is an assumption you made. Our first interaction you also made a baseless assumption that I was a cop hater. I argue with you because your points of view are so far right I do not even think you truly believe some of the stuff you spout. You do the exact thing you constantly bash the left for doing. So no I call out hypocrisy when I see it.

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When did I make the ”baseless assumption” you were a “cop hater”? Refresh my memory, please. My points of view aren’t far right! List a few points which gives you that impression. I believe everything I write or I wouldn’t write it. I’m a conservative...not a Republican. Again, point out where I write one thing, but believe another. I don’t believe you understand the term “being hypocritical”. In other words “Don’t do what I do...do as I say!” You wouldn’t know that of me because you don’t know me personally. Are you just pulling things out of thin air hoping they will stick? 🤔

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https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/6000e2279ac56d54b6a0b41f/Thoughts-on-this-video

That is where you made a baseless assumption. Look at the end of your response. I simply asked what people's thoughts were on the video. You said sorry I am not giving you what you want blame the police as always! Which shows you have a biased and preconceived notion people hate cops just because someone shows a cop misbehaving.

All I can go off is what you post on here. No I do not know you personally but you also do not know me personally. You deflected to Russia when I said nothing about Russia. That is something you belittle the left side for doing. Deny, dismiss, deflect and or dumbfound. Bringing up Russia was a hypocritical move from you.

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I still say both were in the wrong! The photographer exacerbated the situation & he got what he wanted...egg on a cop until the cop does something wrong so it can be caught on video! I gave you my thoughts then, but I didn’t know the purpose of your OP. If we sided with the cop you jumped on us by throwing the 1st Amendment back at us. So if you don’t like the answers don’t ask us our thoughts! I also wrote I didn’t mean to label you as a cop-hater. The worst thing the guy did was telling the cop not to unholster his weapon! He wanted to be the dominant one.

I’ve run out of text space, so I’m going to table this on my end.

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At the start of the video the cop pulls up. He says what are you filming for sir? He says sir can you put that down I don't like things pointed at me. The photographer says these are cameras you know they are. He says lower that right now the photographer responds no I will not. The cop then places his hands on his weapon. Had the photographer called the cop names, gotten belligerent and in his face that would be tossing an egg on the cop. Did he bait him? Sure but that type of bait a cop should be well above. That is so easy to avoid. The photographer said nothing to the cop, the cop came up and confronted him. Do I like the photographer nope but if we are gaging fault % it would go 90% to the cop and 10% to the photographer. My friend is a cop you know what he said on the video? All you have to do to avoid baiters is drum roll say nothing to them. That is all he had to do say nothing.

I said the cop was in the wrong and yes I did disagree and cite the 1st amendment on that issue. To me there is no siding with the cop on that. That is clear cut that the cop is the one who is mostly at fault. Funny thing is if it is the other way around you guys get irate when people side with a person blatantly in the wrong when the cop acts accordingly. If a cop is blatantly in the wrong I will say it, if a criminal is in the wrong I will say it. So what should he say officer can you please not point that gun at me? That was my point though you immediately jumped to he hates cops. Don't you get annoyed when people make assumptions about you? When you simply post facts or a video?

You post threads all the time and do not like people's thoughts so we are not going that route. It goes beyond disliking thoughts, this is about people not being able to see right and wrong. Some things are black and white.

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OK, you are correct. I agree with all you have written. The cop was wrong. The photographer was 100% in the right. The 1st Amendment trumps all. Damn police! Always antagonizing people! This could be another Chauvin in the making! He should be terminated!

NEXT!

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Way to prove my point. In that same thread I provided a video where I supported the cop 100%. I thought the cop was professional and patient. I was happy the lady that tried to belittle him got fired from her job. Yeah I just am such a cop hater... Now though you realize you got called out, therefore what do you decide to do? The very thing you get so irate about the left for doing. Deny, dismiss, deflect and or dumbfound. You are dismissed, today was education day and I am the teacher. I was glad to straighten you out. Have a good day.

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You are ridiculous! I never said you were a cop hater. I did say you are a nit picker. You didn’t call me out & you didn’t straighten me out. You are far from being a teacher...you argue too much. You assume too much. If you quizzed a class on a subject where you are set in your ways, you would belittle them. You would accuse them of thinking or saying something totally at odds with what they thought or said. You have to have the last word...akin to a child. You ask a question & if it’s not to your liking you attack. You are a loser attempting to make waves...but instead you only create ripples.

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You said blame the police as always! That was your first response to my thread off of simply posting a video. What does that imply? I did call you out and that is why I struck a nerve. I attacked you because you made a baseless assumption. I do not care if people give a different answer I care if they defend something blatantly wrong or make a baseless assumption. You did both. Just like you get irate when people defend black lives matter rioting and looting.

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I watched the video again. The photographer was a disgusting jackass! Be honest with yourself. Your intent was to blame the cop. Those of us who found fault with both sent you on a tirade about the first Amendment.

From a law firm:
“... you should also make sure that when you communicate with officers to let them know they are being filmed, that you do so in a calm and courteous manner. Always try to avoid language such as, “it’s a free country,” or “I’m making sure you do your job right!”

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When the video started the only time the photographer got upset was when the cop placed his hands on his gun. Do I like the photographer? Nope but the cop was in the wrong and the fact that you fail to see that makes you part of the problem. Blindly defend cops.

He let him know he was being filmed by saying these are cameras you know they are. By saying these are cameras you know they are, there was no profanity used, only after the cop escalated the situation did the photographer use foul language. Nice try close but no cigar. So this follows the guideline. Care to continue making yourself look foolish or do you want to bury yourself deeper?

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I'm in the minority that believes the point of the 2nd Amendment is that the citizens should have firepower to the state.

Considerations like self defense and hunting are distant second considerations. And handguns are not really useful against an army.

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I see. That's not an invalid view at all, in my opinion, which explains why your focus is on a well-regulated militia (which I think probably needs better definition-it's quite vague in the Constitution). Some will find debatable elements with that, but I see where you're going with it.

And you're right, of course, that handguns don't have nearly the range and power as genuine assault weapons, which are in fact easier to use by even the untrained. I'm not bad with a handgun, but back in the USMC thirty-plus years ago (before my eyesight went to hell staring at computer screens for a living) I was company high shooter with an M-16 in boot camp, scoring 245 (everyone called me Daniel Boone, which was actually kind of annoying), and I'd never fired a rifle before. I found it much easier to stabilize a rifle than a handgun. So yeah, they don't even compare in a combat situation.
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"There is no easy fix. It will take time and effort and generations to resolve, but this is really the only way out the hole, long-term."

It's a big hole.

https://www.thebalance.com/national-debt-by-year-compared-to-gdp-and-major-events-3306287

U.S. National Debt Percent of GDP
1980 32%
2010 91%
2018 104%

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I was referring to a culture of violence with that quote, particularly in inner city environments, that it's the only real way to stop all the daily killings in those warzones (and as a byproduct, reduce perilous interactions with police), but you're absolutely right about the debt vs GDP. Nearly everyone on all sides of the aisle in DC play games with this, and have no interest in fixing that problem, only personal gain and special interests.

Big hole, indeed. One that may just keep growing until it all collapses in on itself.
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”Make all handguns illegal, make possession a felony.”

That is some kind of crazy talk. Why should law abiding citizens have their handguns confiscated? You are proposing making criminals out of non-criminals! How in the hell do we defend ourselves from home invasions? Instead of ranting about making handguns a felony, why don’t you read about how many lives are saved by the use of a handgun? Do you really believe guns are going to disappear? Do you really believe the crime rate will go down in the “hood”?

I read something today which relates to your post. Wiser people than us went before us!

“A gun, like any other source of power, is a force for either good or evil, being neither in itself, but dependent upon those who possess it."

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Well if so, then deny the other holocaust and see how much attacks you get.

Try it in public in real life.

Be brave, my friend.

Be Brave.

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No one is denying the Armenian Genocide (except the Turks and maybe some of their buddies.)

I was shocked to hear a story on the radio that 49 US states have passed resolutions condemning the genocide.

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We have bigger problems, like stopping rednecks from hunting and killing Black Americans that are out jogging.


The percentage and likelihood of something like that happening is infinitesimal. That's like saying we need a task force to prevent people from dying while they're trying to get their cat out of a tree.

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One smecksy Armenian is Conan's Sona Movsesian (Armenian: Սոնա Մովսիսյան) executive assistant and media personality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-CzwR9bDA4

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Will Cenk do it now?

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I’m a left leaner and I have always hated Cenk, he’s a buffoon.

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From the very beginning, as soon as he popped up on YouTube, I couldn’t stand him. He’s so smug and narcissistic, he does nothing but damage to the left. I might agree with some things he says but the way he presents it is absolutely repulsive.

I get super annoyed when I want to watch a YouTube topic and he pops up in the search results. I wish that there could be more of a separation between ‘news’ and ‘commentary’ it has caused so much ignorance when people take commentary as news.

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And Anna is Armenian and works for The Young Turks

That's like a Jew working for the Nazis or a black guy working for the KKK

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Like George Soros?

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Touche'

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That is the most stupid analogy I think I'eve ever heard from you. Both.

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Guess you don't know history

https://www.armenian-genocide.org/young_turks.html

So tell me how I'm wrong

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Young Turks genociders != Young Turks Political commentators.

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So if a Jew went to work for political commentators called the Nazis that would make sense to you

Are you being willfully dense?

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There are no commentators called the Nazis, and if there were it is up to whomever to decide to work for them.

But the Young Turks is not a connection to the Armenian genocide as the Nazi brand would be to the Nazis ... except in your own mind for your typical daily purposes of obfuscating the facts and attacking anything remotely progressive with your bizarre distortions of fact.

Personally, I don't like the name "the young turks" it is too Cenk centric, and I imagine someday they may rebrand, or Anna may move on - but it has nothing to do with their message and certainly nothing to do with the Armenian genocide. That is all in your imagination.

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Cenk is Turkish and the Young Turks name came from the same history group.

My god you're an idiot

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> My god you're an idiot

Hahaha, there you do again.

Cenk is not a member of the Young Turks. About all that can be said if one takes your whining seriously is that the choosing of that name was frivolous and unfortunate.

But your complaint seems to be as if someone went to work for a boss with the name Adolf, Dolf, these days. You would be furiously typing away trying to convince us that that person was supporting the Nazis.

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I didn't say Cenk was a member of the actual Young Turks I said that's where he got the name

And no I wouldn't as Dolf or Adolf is a name MANY people have the Young Turks however is very specific

Do you not understand that?

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Do you leave your clown makeup on all day or do you change it every night, because you are a major clown in pursuing this line of foolishness.

"The Young Turks" is a contemporary, or relatively contemporary Shakespearean phrase to denote someone who is young an impatient for radical change. Do you acknowledge that words and phrases have different meanings at all?

Do you understand that?

https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/young-turk.html

No, because as typical right-wing extremist you wrongly also use the phrase socialist to refer to communist and to a system where the government owns the means of production ... which has never happened anywhere ever, and even if it had would not be socialistic.

You really love to tie yourself up in knots over trivialities.

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You really love to tie yourself up in knots over trivialities.


Says the dickhead trivializing this thread.

I'm sure a Turkish guy had Shakespeare in mind naming his channel that and not a group from his home country

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The figurative expression 'young turks' meaning 'the new breed, impatient for change' began to be used in the early 20th century.

William Safire, in The new language of politics: an anecdotal dictionary of catchwords, slogans, and political usage, 1968, referred to a group of US politicians who, in 1929, were called the 'Young Turks':

These new Republican warriors were called the Young Turks, a band of about 20 who had mutinied against the feeble leadership of the Old Guard. For Senators they were young men (average age: 56).

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LOL that's an amazing display of idiocy to swing the Young Turks from this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Turks

To US Republicans. I'm sure Cenk named his channel after them or Shakespeare and not a genocidal bunch from his homeland

🙄

Say something else stupid

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Cenk did it 20 years before any president did. He gets targeted because of a letter he wrote in 1991 that Infowars found out about.

Keep in mind Cenk never denied that 1.5 million Armenians died. He took the Turkish opinion that they died because of war. If 1.5 million Armenians die in a war against the Ottoman Empire, it's not automatically a genocide. If the Ottoman Empire is on record saying they want to exterminate the Armenians, then it becomes a genocide.

We didn't even get an official answer on it until 1996 when it was officially labeled as a Genocide. Granted, Cenk was a little late to the table when he finally came around in 2001, but the reason Biden is doing it today is because there are states in the US that still do not consider it a Genocide.

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Cenk is a funny guy. He has his priorities straight with respect to progressivism, but every once in a while his knee jerk conservatives comes out, as in his 3 hour debate with Sam Harris where he got rope-a-doped into defending Islam.

Biden did the right thing. Also the right signal to send to Turkey that we are going to stop accepting their constant BS and human rights abuses - i.el like their current genocide against the Kurds.

Remember Biden wanted to partition Iraq into Sunni, Shia and Kurdish states. That would have been a great idea.

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Agreed. The Kurds have done everything they could for the US, and we let the Turks run them out.

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https://www.armenian-genocide.org/young_turks.html

"The Young Turks were the perpetrators of the Armenian Genocide"

Very first sentence. Fuck sake you liberals are dumb

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The US has two military bases in Turkey so I suspect there will be consequences if Biden doesn't reverse the declaration. This all happened under the defunct Ottoman Empire so there is no need to bring it up at this point. Some Armenian people want reparations from Turkey but this happened under the Ottoman Empire, a country that was dissolved after World War I.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9513947/Erdogan-urges-Biden-reverse-wrong-step-Armenian-declaration.html

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A name change doesn't change who did this...the Turkish people.

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We have to stop tip-toeing around these vicious dictators. If necessary the US needs to start using covert power and getting rid of leaders like Erdogan and Assad who are absolute disasters to their people and the world.

These thugs feel like they have a whole program of how to manipulate the US, and i think, i hope, Biden sees through this after 40 years of it, and has some kind of action plan to end it. The shame of Saudi Arbias MBS's vicious assassination of Kashoggi and Trump's total acceptance of it absolutely cannot stand. But also, we cannot do everything, especially if the Republicans are going to let money corruption drive the world every time they get some power.

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It would be nice if democracy was adopted by all nations but dictators do bring stability to certain regions with disparate populations. We in the US are starting to have problems with our democracy due to radically different worldviews. The US took out Saddam Hussein and a lot of Iraqis miss the stability of Saddam's regime. Similarly, Libya has been a mess ever since the fall of Gaddafi.

Biden has already said that he won't do anything about Kasshogi. Hunter hitched a ride on Air Force Two to both China and Ukraine. Biden knew all along was Hunter was doing. If you haven't already read it, the Politico article below provides a good glimpse of the Biden family corruption.

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-politics-jamal-khashoggi-united-states-eada17b53d9924c5175b84990f5e0477

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/08/02/joe-biden-investigation-hunter-brother-hedge-fund-money-2020-campaign-227407

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Biden doesn't give shit about the Armenians. The only thing he cares about is publicity.

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The Armenians want it to be official. Publicity or not, somewhere in there is Biden giving a shit about what the Armenians think.

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If it give him good publicity, yes. That's all he's ever cared about as evidenced by his half a century of doing nothing, in "public service".

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It was the right thing to do. Turkey said it wanted to join the West, and then when it did Erdogan started driving towards a version of Islamic extremism which is antithetical to the West.

I hear lots of people on both sides of the aisle decry American interventions in other countries, and I agree with a lot of the arguments and criticisms in theory, but situations like what is happening in Syria, Turkey, North Korea, Afghanistan, etc ... but there is no doubt that the people in Turkey are substantially less free and more oppressed that those in West and EU.

It is hard to intervene in foreign countries. The West overthrew the leader of Iran to put in the Shah, and there was modernization, but a lot of torture and oppression, but it was never explained who was being repressed ... the same people who are now both oppressing their own people, trying to build nuclear weapons to extend their power and corrupt religion outward.

Nothing is perfect, and the US screwed up in Iran - BUT, it would have been very very very interesting to see how Mossadegh would have handle the radical Muslims and how that would have developed under his so-called democracy.

Just because he was elected by democratic vote did not make Iran a democracy. But I guess we will never know.

I don't like Syria's Assad, nor do I like Turkey's Erdogan. What is the answer?

The minority of thugs who keep these guys in power are the same minority of thugs we have in the US who would keep Trump in power and use guns and repressive laws to keep him there. AND Americans are not up in arms and going crazy to get rid of them?

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