and the culprits get away with it (which they will) then that would mean that the system is irreparably corrupt & your vote means very little. A largely symbolic exercise to provide camouflage for the manufactured numbers the powers that be can just pull out of their ass to dictate their preselected "winner". Why continue to participate in such a farce?
shareAnd if all lawsuits are rejected, the states certify the election results, the Electoral College signs off on them, and Biden becomes president - then the whole system is corrupt? Everyone? And what force or forces in our society are going to put this right - Trump? You have more faith in Trump than the inherent strength of the system? Trump refusing to concede isn't that big of a deal (it's a nice formality to observer, though not required)- but possibly refusing to leave after the Constitutional process has played itself out IS a big deal.
shareHowever far reaching this corruption goes one reasonably conclude that the unilateral influence of the powers that be extends well beyond individual states. I have no faith in Trump whatsoever btw. I certainly have more "faith" that the corrupt oligarchs who want him out will get their way.
share"However far reaching this corruption goes one reasonably conclude that the unilateral influence of the powers that be extends well beyond individual states. I have no faith in Trump whatsoever btw. I certainly have more "faith" that the corrupt oligarchs who want him out will get their way"
in other words, I have no evidence, so im just going to create a massive, profound conspiracy and double down on it and make it even more elaborate!.
come back to reality. tis not too late to think logically before you start going down the flat farther rabbit hole too
"in other words, I have no evidence, so im just going to create a massive, profound conspiracy and double down on it and make it even more elaborate!."
The cognitive dissonance aside of those who choose downplay or ignore the extreme irregularities going on with a massive amount of ballots, there has actually been a lot of suspicious evidence pointing towards fraud that is continuously being investigated & exposed. The information is out there with receipts. Sometimes however it doesn't amount to anything , no matter how much evidenceof is on the table
"The cognitive dissonance aside of those who choose downplay or ignore the extreme irregularities going on with a massive amount of ballots, there has actually been a lot of suspicious evidence pointing towards fraud that is continuously being investigated & exposed. The information is out there with receipts. Sometimes however it doesn't amount to anything , no matter how much evidenceof is on the table"
and yet, YOU CANT PROVIDE ANY.
ive seen fabricated videos by republicans "burning ballots"
ive seen a report of a postman destroying ballots, only to be a total fabrication. Show me the evidence Jesus
Demanding to be spoon fed readily available information suggests that you haven't really bothered looking at all. I don't have a dog in this fight and I'm not intrested in convincing any partisan sycophants. Just calling it like I see it
shareYes. A clean election MUST be verified.
shareDid Russia interfere with the election in 2016 and changed the outcome like the Clinton to this day still bitches about, yes or no?
Did Stacy Abrams lose her election fair and square, yes or no?
1) Doesn't matter. The votes cast where valid. If people got manipulated by propaganda that's on them. The Mueller Report found some Russian propaganda but no convincing about Trump colluding with them, although he did benefit. Still doesn't change the results of the election. Hilary bitched but ultimately stepped down when all Constitutional angles were exhausted.
2) Don't care. She played the process through and stepped down when all Constitutional avenues were exhausted.
3) Trump needs to do the same if the results are certified and the electoral college votes Biden in. Whether Trump concedes or not or whether Biden makes a victory speech before that time makes no difference. Of course, Trump will continue to bitch about the results just as Hilary and Abrams did. They all have free speech, and they can say whatever they want.
1. It does matter and Hillary is still bitching about it. Of course the votes counted because there were only registered absentee votes and in-person voting. That minimizes the amount of potential fraud that could be committed.
Are all Constitutional angles exhausted for Trump yet???
2. You don't care? More like you're ignorant. She still claims to this day she's the gov of Georgia and the election was stolen from her. Why is it okay for idiot loser dems to question the vote, but not repubs? Hypocrite much?
3. If the results are certified and Trump doesn't have the votes, then that'll be it Until then, why are you bitching about what he's doing?
remember when tump cried Hilary didn't concede that night but conceded the next day? republicans and their shot term memories
share"It does matter and Hillary is still bitching about it."
No it doesn't matter, neither for her OR for Trump. The only thing required of a losing candidate is that they leave on the appointed date once the votes have been vetted by the duly appointed officials. He'll get his grace period but the dates are the dates. If he loses (and leaves) he can continue to say whatever he wants. It's a free country. However, if he wants to win he needs to either find more legal votes or convince the states to nullify the results. IF they certify the results then the only recourse he has left is to try and shave off at least 38 votes in the EC (and they have to be for him, not Jo Jorgensen or Kanye West).
I said this somewhere, but I'll say it again: " if all lawsuits are rejected, the states certify the election results, the Electoral College signs off on them"
Do you not understand the meaning of the word "if"? What's the justification for the EC nullifying the votes IF the states certify them, exactly? If the vote turns out in Biden's favor, and IF no credible or significant fraud is evident, the states WILL certify the results. If Biden ends up with the most the states, and with not just a plurality but a majority of the popular vote, what justification will be offered for nullifying the EC exactly?
"You don't care? More like you're ignorant. She still claims to this day she's the gov of Georgia and the election was stolen from her. Why is it okay for idiot loser dems to question the vote, but not repubs? Hypocrite much?"
No, I don't care. Only raving partisan hacks care about something a losing Senatorial candidate said two years ago. They have no legal weight. Same goes for Trump. Any one can question the vote all they want... however, they shouldn't overturn votes arrived at through legal processes. This doesn't mean no fraud happened, it just means it can't be proved or didn't have any meaningful impact on the outcome. This is a call for the states, and the dates are coming up fast.
"If the results are certified and Trump doesn't have the votes, then that'll be it Until then, why are you bitching about what he's doing?"
Already said that, several times... you just pretended I didn't to satisfy your ego.
If you know Trump's "grace period" isn't up and the votes haven't been certified yet, then what the hell are you bitching about then?
If??? That's what you're bitching about? Why don't you bitch about it WHEN it happens rather than getting your panties in a twist over a horseshit hypothetical?
Go tell that to the blimp. I think she cares and she keeps reminding you idiots when she's interviewed on MSNBC.
Just to be clear, regardless who is running, whether it be Stacy Abrams or Trump, elections should be free of fraud, yes? Not only that, activities that open the possibilities to fraud, i.e. unverifiable mail in ballots, should be minimized if not eliminated, yes?
Being that the dems "always follow the science" and Dr. Fauci is "science" and he said if you can go to the market, then you can vote in person, why didn't the dems "follow the science"?
Stacy Abrams never conceded.
But as we know, it's not required.
Everyone making a big deal about Trump not conceding. Why should he when we don't even know the results of the election yet. Just because most networks made claim on who it is doesn't make it so. Not yet.
Trump said days ago he will concede if it's proven the election wasn't fraudulent and Biden won fairly.
I don't think that's too much to ask for. It would be STUPID for him to concede right now.
I remember people such as Hillary advising Biden not to concede UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!
Only people with inferiority complexes worry about whether some asshole concedes, I'm not expecting him to concede. It's more fun watching him squirm under the magnifying glass of 80 millions voters telling him they don't want no more of his years. But it would be fun watching him being escorted forcefully out of the white house after pitching a big fit once all the challenges are done and if it turns out the state legislatures follow the will of the voters.
shareWhy is he squirming? He's just letting the legal process work itself out like it should. It's idiots like you that seem to want elections to be rigged.
Why is he under the magnifying glass? The media has been hassling him the entire 4 years. This is no different than that, so spare us your pointless hyperboles.
In regards to the 80 million voters, wasn't that supposed to be 100 million, per the polls and media? What happened to the other 20 million? Not such a landslide or blue wave, was it?
You idiot dems constantly projecting Trump to be holed up in in the Oval Office and screaming, "Say 'ello to my little friend!" does make me laugh. It won't happen one way of the other.
Since no presidential candidate has ever gotten close to 100 million votes nor has any ever been projected to, I'd say that's....hyperbole unless you can find a quote from a major source...ie not some nut on twitter or some comedian trying to be funny. LOL
I'm sure some people's expected/hoped for one, there was no blue wave. What there was was a referendum on Trump...personally. Despite having what most people might say was a fairly successful presidency with...up 'til the pandemic...a good economy and success with many of his policies, it appears he will ultimately lose...and lose by a pretty good margin...not a close call at all. Trump brought this on himself. It's all his fault, personally. He should've won in a landslide from the standpoint of success as a Republican president....but he didn't.
And yes, the media has been hassling him for 4 yrs But that's what one signs up for when one signs up for being president. Besides, it was totally his own doing. He had every opportunity to come to terms with the media and he failed...wasn't able to do it. At the 'off the record' meeting after the election, when the winner comes to terms with the media, instead of coming to terms with the rough and tumble of the campaign and putting it behind him, he laid into them. Fine, maybe they deserved it. But, and hopefully the next president will heed this advice, politicians taunt the media at their own peril.
Some??? Pelosi expected to win 10 additional seats. Idiot Van Jones was expecting a "repudiation" of Trump by the voters. None of that was even close to happening and yet, that was there expectations. Biden was supposed to win in a landslide according to the polls. All contested states won for him including TX. What a joke!
That's what he signs up for? So pray tell, why didn't Obama get grilled for his 8 years in office? Why did the media constantly shirk their journalistic duties in covering for him. The bare minimal coverage on Op. Fast and Furious. The bare minimal coverage on Benghazi. The bare minimal coverage on Libyan refugees due to Obama's policy. The bare minimal coverage on the IRS scandal? Spare me your horseshit. If you can't see the double standard, you're just another indoctrinated stooge.
Taunt the media at their own peril? What has Biden done when asked a "tough" question about Hunter? He said, I expect that from you. What the fuck? A fair question is a fair question and then they back off? Yet the media seemed unable to ask the questions that the American people ought to know and should know in their elected officials. Ignorance is Strength! You have no free thought capacity.
But 10 additional seats is not 100 million votes. Still waiting for the '100 million' quote.
And who said he'd win in a landslide? Scaramucci? He's one of yours so you deal with his addleheadedness. Others? There are always folks who'll project so and so will win in a landslide. Few do. But >300 EC votes ain't shabby.
Quit whining about poor widdle Trumpy. If he can dish it out, he can take it. If not...he can hit the road jack...oh wait, I guess he is hitting the road.
IF Biden taunts the media, he does so at his own peril....we'll see how it pans out. But...maybe, if someone is powerful enough, they can taunt the media and get away with it. Maybe the media might even be afraid of him. Seems most media was NOT afraid of Trump because despite his constant wailing and whining...they went after him mercilessly. And...it likely cost him the election. So...I'll revise....IF you aren't powerful enough, taunt the media at your own peril.
You idiots said a blue wave. The polls said it. Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...Your idiot MSM said it. Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... You idiots like Van Jones expected a repudiation of Trumpism. You idiots expected to gain 10 seats and ended up losing 10 seats. A net 20 seat turn around is pretty shitty in my book. I don't know about you.
Yeah, he can take it. Is you idiot dems that are whining saying he needs to concede and keep stating he's committing a coup. Apparently going through all available legal channels is now tactics for a coup. Stupid much? Too bad you're not going to get the Scarface scene you idiot dems were all hoping for.
Yeah. Since media is all left wing, why would they be afraid to taunt a repub president? Yet, a dem president like Obama, threatened journalists. Not to mention, a left wing journalist won't turn on its own or else they'll be out of a job from the left wing corporate machine. The ABC journalist with the Epstein report. Was she silenced? Yeah. I thought so.
Anybody can see it, but idiots like you are too indoctrinated to admit the truth. Ignorance is Strength. Proven once again.
You're missing the bigger picture. It's not dems vs repubs any more. It's repub-dems vs Trumpanzees. You're acting like Pelosi tried to block ACB and hasn't been fondling the Lincoln Project's balls for two years.
Humpty Drumpfy wasn't going through any legal channels. He was claiming fraud so the Trumpanzees would fall for it and toss him a dime. When it came to show in court, no fraud was presented. Just a "hey your honor, we don't actually have any fraud, feel free to hurry and toss this thing out." How many prestigious lawyers were willing to do that in a courtroom? None. Just Rudolph.
Seriously, yall can't afford to be this stupid.
Okay then, smart guy. Lay out the facts that proves your horseshit. The key word in that sentence, is "facts". Now go ahead prove how "smart" you are.
shareGiuliani is on record not presenting evidence to the judge. Giuliani is on record saying to the judge his cases are not about fraud.
Trump's website tells people to donate to his fund and puts in the fine print that it only goes to voter fraud after the first $8,000 of your donation.
There's literally zero proof of "russian inteference".
There's hours up hours of video footage, charts of statistical anomalies/impossibilities with mail in ballots. Republican poll watchers were not allowed to watch tabulations. There's so much evidence of ballot impropriety it's oozing out the cracks.
There is definite evidence of impropriety and patterns of fraud being committed. I don't know if his team has enough to go on. He does have an excellent legal team, but we'll see if he finds enough.
At the very least, if the Biden camp says no impropriety happened, then they should feel fine about letting all challenges be fully vetted to prove they won fair and square. Because they don't say it and the media are practically demanding Trump concede tells me they are worried or know something is not right.
The system is corrupt but not cause of anything you said.
sad its taken a massive conspiracy for conservatives to realize the USA is broken. except rather than Blame the real culprits, as usual they foam at the mouth and make up a story in their head
Your vote for the president may mean very little. It depends on the state you live in. The constitution doesn't say the president is elected by popular vote...or by a vote by the people at all. The electoral college elects presidents and states can appoint electors anyway they want to. It is merely convention that they tend to use the popular vote...some states apparently have that written into their laws..but the constitution doesn't demand it.
shareIf people did that no one would vote. Lol!
shareWe wanted him out so we voted him out. Why is that HARD for people to believe?
shareApart from all the sketchy chicanery that appears to have gone down with a lot of these ballots, on its face what isn't convincing is the record turnout for Biden as if he was sone hugely popular candidate when he absolutely was not. I'll never be convinced that anti Trump sentiment was enough to make the walking corpse that is Joe Biden secretly so much more popular then Barack Obama at the polls, meaning a lot of former Republican voters had to have voted for Biden.
shareWe don't base election results on your credulity of incredulity.
"lot of former Republican voters had to have voted for Biden"
bingo...
With no credible indication of why that would be the case. A whole lot of convenient secretly disgruntled Republican voters
shareNot a whole lot... about 1.0 to 1.5 percent would do the trick in a really close race. About the same percentage for the Green Party likely cost Hilary big time in the Rust Belt four years ago. And they couldn't have been all that disgruntled, since they likely voted straight Republican for everything else.
share"they likely voted straight Republican for everything else"
Indeed. Apparently a crap ton of Republicans decided to vote for Biden for "reasons" but still voted down ballot Republican.
Maybe because Trump is an irresponsible psychopath? Sounds like a pretty good reason. Appeals to incredulity are not a valid argument.
shareThat was certainly a talking point of his ardent opponents on the other side but his base was always solid.
shareexcept for one or one point five percent who voted for someone else. By the way "his ardent supporters" and "staunch Democrats" weren't the only ones voting. There are very conservative Libertarians and non-partisans Independents voting too. Lots of people didn't like the riots or Trump. Wouldn't take many ticket-splitters to get the result we got.
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shareThe people who are telling you the ballots are fraudulent in favor of Biden are not being honest actors. They have the specific goal of stealing the victory from the democrats to hand it to Trump.
That is Project Veritas.
That is Alex Jones.
That is Hannity, Ingraham, and Tucker.
Nobody who is nonpartisan has claimed there is a chance fraud has given Biden the election.
However there are millions of republicans and even Trump supporters who accept that Biden has won the election.
Also, many republicans who are in the beltway that are claiming fraud, including many in Trump's close circle, are doing it to appease the man-baby, not because they actually believe it to be true.
And that's the overall problem here. We have a baby as a president.
Well as a non partisan person I believe there are a lot of things pointing towards chicanery in this election and I try to avoid getting my information from sycophants on any side of the isle & am certainly not invested in convincing them
shareThe only chicanery that can be pointed to are errors that happen in any election in every country. It's impossible to remove all errors. What you are doing is taking the reality that errors will always exist, and using it as a basis that fraud maybe probably happened because you "feel" that somewhere, someone is doing something underhanded.
When asked of the underhanded deed that took place, the answer is always the same... some errors happened, and perhaps something more.
And round and round we go.
The suspicious oddities with this election go beyond a few errors but like I said I'm hardly looking to convert anyone
shareThe working people in the United States need to come to an agreement to stop voting for democrats and republicans. To seek new parties to support. No more excuses.
shareThat's certainly my take on it. Of course the masses are sheep & will continue supporting a broken(rigged) system. Even the ones who call out the corruption but only when their chosen "team" loses.
shareIt played a part. But in most cases it was the idea that the orange man is bad. Already it is put out that parents in latin america won't be allowed to join the children here they sent.
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