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eYe update: Bombshell Mondays 10-14-2019

posted 5 years ago by eYeDEF (5050)
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Yesterday's series of articles from WSJ, WAPO, and NYT confirmed my theory that Bolton had to be the leaker. Along with the devastating testimony from Fiona Hill much was revealed. There are 5 prongs to the story confirmed by her yesterday:

Prong 1 - Withhold Aid: Mulvaney to go around career bureaucrats at OMB/DOD to use political appointees to hold up the aid. This gave Trump the leverage to extort the UKR gov.

Prong 2 - Clear the path at the State Dept to enable Rudy to run a shadow FP. Trump got Pompeo's acquiescence and help, along with Rudy and his two goons (with one part involving lobbying US pols w/illegal campaign donations (Pete Sessions) to remove Yovanovich and reorganize US foreign policy in UKR policy around Rudy, with Sondland and Volker reporting to him. NSC cut out. DOD cut out. This enabled Rudy, Sondland and Volker to push the quid pro quo (confirmed by Yavonovich, Hill, plus more whistleblowers) and make it clear to UKR that this was coming from Trump: election help in exchange for a WH meeting + release of aid. This effort culminates in the actual shakedown laid out by Trump himself in the July 25 call.

Prong 3 - Align with Russian and Pro-Russian Ukrainian interests to put the squeeze more tightly on Zelensky. Giuliani runs this with Parnas/Fruman; connects with Letsenko; taps into the Firtash network and other allies of the pro-Russian parties (Party of Regions and their offshoots (psst…and Paul Manafort who likely gave Rudy these ideas)). The intersection point between the SDNY probe of Rudy and the Impeachment inquiry probe of the Zelensky shakedown is Marie Yovanovitch. She was seen as an obstacle to the pro-Russian UKR types like Firtash (prevented corruption) and to Trump (would not allow the shakedown to happen or to frame Biden).

Prong 4 - Politically Weaponize all Anti-Biden Info Gathered in Ukraine + Info for Barr's "Origins of the Investigation" to Delegitimize the Mueller Probe and Findings - This is the role of AG Barr. Once Trump has gotten Zelensky"s attention, AG Barr then takes his road show to connect with the UKR government on the issue of "investigations into Burisma" which we learned is code for "get Biden" + his nutty investigation to undermine the origins of the Mueller probe and rewrite history to align to Trump's damaged psyche as one might see from scientology cultists rationalizing L Ron. Since Barr attends NSC meetings, has access to the WH Counsel and to Trump, it is fair to assume that he is completely read in on the entire conspiracy. SDNY must demand his recusal. He’s a co-conspirator in the larger scheme of which they are investigating Rudy for one piece that has overlap with others.

Prong 5 - the Cover-Up. Once word started getting out about the call, Trump and the WH Counsel’s office hid the transcripts in the secret server; Trump lied to Ron Johnson when asked directly about the shakedown; Trump instructed Sondland on how to answer Amb Taylor via text, that it would be evidence that investigators would see. WH Counsel and Barr became aware of the WB, and took every step possible to deflect the claim. Barr declined to pursue investigations into Trump based on referrals made by the ICIG and the CIA GC, when he has an obvious conflict (he’s part of the conspiracy!). Pompeo tries to muzzle people from testifying and lies about his knowledge and involvement. Pence lies about his knowledge and involvement.

But it all falls apart thanks to Bolton, Adam Schiff, and our print media reporters. [cont]

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

The picture emerging is that Rudy's consulting business is a front for a political influence and bribery/kick back operation for the benefit of his main client, Donald Trump.

WSJ has reported SDNY has been looking into his finances and relationships Rudy built in Ukraine with those who are members of or friendly to the pro-Russian UKR parties (party of regions and their offshoots) and who are generally opposed to greater integration with Europe (b/c it means you have to be less corrupt. no gravy train for the Firtash* types). SDNY is looking at how Rudy leveraged those relationships to "lobby" for them to get the ear of the Trump Administration. This came in the form of access buying via fundraising. So he may well be a part of the Parnas/Fruman scheme to raise donations for Trump/GOP and to push to GOP politicians to support the ‘UKR agenda’ of his "clients". (In truth, his clients are backed by or aligned with the interests of the Russian mob and the Kremlin).

But this is SDNY completely ignoring the other part, and that's the demands Trump would push back to the Ukrainians to help him illegally woo and pressure their gov to do his bidding. Some, like Letsenko, were willing participants to a point. Others, like Zelensky and his gov, had to be pressured. These clients of Rudy were used as part of Trump's conspiracy to push the origins of the Mueller investigation story, and dig dirt on Biden while conditioning aid as the leverage point.

The intersection point is Marie Yovanovitch. The pro-Russian UKR types wanted her out b/c she favors a less corrupt UKR. The Trumpers wanted her out b/c she wouldn't let a shakedown of an important ally occur. SDNY has to stop ignoring the other piece, acknowledge the intersection point and open up that criminal investigation that the ICIG recommended, work with the House Intel run impeachment inquiry and investigate and prosecute everyone that they recommend for criminal charges.

SDNY must also shut Barr out and force his recusal. This will be the test.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

Also what we know so far about the two Ukrainians goons pulled off the Sopranos set: Parnas and Fruman are the conduit by which the hand of the Kremlin and the Russian mob corrupt our political system and help Trump execute schemes which both Trump and the Kremlin see in their mutual benefit, at the expense of the Republic. They facilitate Trump's treason. That makes this scandal next level.

3 key facts:

Lev Parnas has been known to the Trump family since the days of Fred Trump. He has sold Trump condos. Parnas and Fruman have been in photos with Trump since at least 2014. They’re not coffee boy, but Felix Sater level facilitators.

Parnas and Fruman appear to be business partners or associates of pro-Russian Ukrainian oligarch, Dmitry Firtash. Firtash is strongly backed by the Russian mafia run by Semion Mogilevich. Mogilivech and the Kremlin are in alignment and have a de facto alliance as it relates to Ukrainian politics (Both support the pro-Russian parties and are against UKR being free enough to join Europe). Parnas' and Fruman's value to the Kremlin and the Russian mob is that they are US citizens and have been citizens for a long while. That gives the Russians and Pro-Russian Ukrainians like Firtash access to the US market, US corporations, and US politicians.

Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman were paying Rudy Giuliani for services (which means Firtash was paying Rudy, which means Russian mob was paying Rudy, which means the Kremlin encouraged or approved). They both were represented by Trumper counsel and were part of the Giuliani team that he used to run the extortion operation of the Ukraine gov. They were also trying to corrupt the Ukrainian state owned natural gas co, Naftogaz, with Rick Perry's unwitting help to put in friendlies who would pay the kickbacks that have been central to Firtash's income stream. [cont]

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

*But where they really kill Trump is on the UKR shakedown. They bribed GOP politicians on the one hand (Pete Sessions) to support the removal of the US ambassador to Ukraine (Yovanovitch), which was thought by Trump/Rudy to be key to the whole operation. They then worked with Rudy to produce, market or shop dirt against Joe Biden. On top of that, they were working with and inducing the UKR prosecutor, Yuriy Leschenko to prosecute Biden (this is a Foreign corrupt practices act violation btw). All of these actions were sanctioned and approved by Trump and were part of an illegal scheme.

**One last note. Any right wingnut asserting this is fake news; it's Murdoch's WSJ that has been at the forefront of reporting Ukraine scandal. Better coverage than both WaPO and NYT combined because they have providing all the inside scoops from Team Bolton and assorted merry whistleblowers.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

WOW! Thank you for all of this. The news was dropping so fast yesterday / last night / this morning I couldn't believe what I was watching.

At times, I had to turn to FOX last night just to take a breather - they were completely ignoring what was happening in Washington, and the bombshells being dropped.

[–] CharlotteXavier (2357) 5 years ago

Holy shit, thank you for all of this. I just got time to read it. Joi is right, you should do this for a living if you don’t already!

I know there’s much more that happened since this from two days ago, lmao! What a circus! I mean, this is all insane. And the wingnuts on Twitter are still defending him, some in the name of Jesus, I kid you not.

[–] joi2049 (5561) 5 years ago

As you can see from this message POSTED 9 DAYS ago, we already figured out that the WHISTLE BLOWER was probably BOLTON without knowing about the WITNESSES, or about the 2 DUDES who were working with RUDY, etc. etc. etc.

https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/5d9a31033510c1479c5bc7c5/FIRST-HAND-KNOWLEDGE-could-the-2ND-WHISTLE-BLOWER-be-BOLTON-WHISTLE-BLOWER-NUMBER-3-is-from-the-IRS?reply=5da5db38dd5dc664819d83c8

So you're a little late making it to the IT'S PROBABLY BOLTON PARTY.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

But what a party it is! All are invited !

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

I saw you saying Bolton was the second whistleblower. I never thought that. My theory was he or his team were the ones going to the press leaking to the Wall Street Journal.

I didn't believe Bolton would be hiding behind whistleblower protections since he was no longer working for the administration in any capacity. He was openly saying he'd get Trump back when he was canned. He'd want him to know he was the one sticking the shiv in. True to form, that's exactly what happened.

[–] joi2049 (5561) 5 years ago

With the LUNATICS making that VIOLENT VIDEO where THE SCAM MAN murders several members of CONGRESS, and the PRESS, naturally BOLTON would be concerned about his own safety and that of his family.

So STICKING IT to the SCAM MAN without his KNOWING who's doing it would also be the BEST OPTION in regards to remaining safe from harm.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

Yeah I just don't buy it. Unlike a career bureaucrat who would need protection, Bolton is already insanely wealthy from pulling seven figure salaries from all the lobbying work he's done, he can afford his own security detail. He promised he would get the last laugh and would want Trump to know he's the one knifing him. Protecting his rep is most important thing to him and he can't write his tell all book to set the record straight if he's hiding behind WB protections.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

Makes sense.

Question is--how much damage CAN Bolton cause to Trump?

[–] joi2049 (5561) 5 years ago

He promised he would get the last laugh and would want Trump to know he's the one knifing him.

By keeping the ID of BOLTON a SECRET that also keeps the SCAM MAN from TWEETING and BAD MOUTHING BOLTON (which was also what helped him to DEFEAT all the rest of the other members of the GOP who ran against him in the GOP PRIMARY).

So without the ability to TWEET, BULLY, and DESTROY the CREDIBILITY of the WB, that's also got the SCAM MAN feeling COMPLETELY OFF BALANCE, which is also a part of the reason why he RELEASED the SUMMARY of the PHONE CALL which also further EXPOSED HIM and gave us EVIDENCE that what the WB said was right.

So BOLTON would also KNOW that keeping his ID SECRET would be the BEST WAY to PISS OFF the SCAM MAN and accomplish his MAIN GOAL (which would be to get back at him).

Right???

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

He doesn't want to keep it secret. We already know this, which is why his FP pupil Fiona Hill testified that Bolton instructed her as counsel to notify NSC lawyers to whistleblow on Giuliani to protect herself. He's a lawyer, he knows what's up. He wants Trump to know he's the one orchestrating his demise. I keep telling you, the second WB is definitely not Bolton, who is the one behind the WSJ leaks. The second whistleblower is a current official whistleblowing to Congress, not the press.

[–] joi2049 (5561) 5 years ago

Yes you're right, the fact that Fiona admits he instructed her to SPILL the BEANS does seem to BLOW a HOLE in the theory that BOLTON is the WB.

Since she TESTIFIED in SECRET yesterday, and there wasn't very much said about her on MSNBC today until 3PM ... when the HOST said the same thing you've just said ... one also wasn't aware of the kind of CLOSE CONNECTION that she had to BOLTON.

What's CLEAR is how the DOMINOS are all FALLING DOWN on the SCAM MAN now, and the way he behaved during the MUELLER INVESTIGATION is probably also the reason why this process is moving along so quickly.

Because when they tried using the same kind of PRANKS this time as they used the last time, the LAWYERS who represent FIONA also told the SCAM MAN's attorney's that EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE doesn't apply whenever there's been WRONG DOING on the part of the EXECUTIVE.

In other words, they refused to be intimidated by him and pretty much just THUMBED their NOSES right back at the SCAM MAN when he tried to STOP her from being able to TESTIFY yesterday.

And it's also FUN to WATCH the SCAM MAN getting a much needed DOSE of his own medicine now.

Here's a VIDEO link where you can hear the FORMER FBI GUY explaining the reason why he thinks RUDY has been under SURVEILLENCE:

https://www.msnbc.com/11th-hour/watch/frank-figuliuzzi-rudy-giuliani-just-threw-trump-under-the-bus-71126085574

And he also explains the reason why he thinks RUDY has THROWN the SCAM MAN UNDER the BUS.

:)

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

It was already reported this morning in the WSJ that SDNY had reviewed Giuliani's banking records. That means if they had enough probable cause to get a judge to sign off on a subpoena for his banking records they may have well been able to get approval for surveillance too.

But why I don't think it matters and why I didn't buy the story before is because Giuliani is walking around freely.

What's clear about Barr is that he didn't have enough juice to shut down the investigation that nabbed the two Ukrainians. Most likely that's because the investigation of Giuliani had already begun when Barr began his term at DOJ; it is much easier to deny a de novo request to investigate than it is to shut down an investigation that is already in progress.

So instead he resorted to tipping them off to skip town. That's why they had one way tickets to Ukraine before getting nabbed in the nick of time at Dulles airport just before leaving. They obviously got the inside tip from Barr.

In other words, even if Rudy is being wiretapped, he's fully aware of it because he's also been tipped off by Barr and is making sure he doesn't do anything self-incriminating. Else he'd already have been brought in.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

So instead he resorted to tipping them off to skip town. That's why they had one way tickets to Ukraine before getting nabbed in the nick of time at Dulles airport just before leaving. They obviously got the inside tip from Barr.

And his plan was tipped off to the FBI? Wow! Barr is chest-deep in walking in the swamp.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

Not the FBI, the Ukrainians were tipped off. That's why they were in a rush to leave the country with one-way tickets when they were arrested at Dulles airport. I was speculating that Barr was is the most likely culprit who tipped them off because who else would have inside knowledge of their impending indictment and greater motive to see them skip the country than the guy Trump expects to be his Roy Cohn?

What that tells me is that US Attorney Geoffrey Berman does retain a certain level autonomy and Barr has yet to lock down SDNY, else he wouldn't have had to resort to the underhanded tactic of tipping off the targets of the probe to flee instead of just internally shutting down the investigation. He just failed to tip them off soon enough before they got caught. That was a clear fuckup by Barr and I imagine he got an earful from Trump for failing to protect him when the shit hit the fan with publicity surrounding their arrest.

But that also means if there is a federal wiretap on Rudy, Barr has long already tipped him off. That's why I don't think it matters if he's wiretapped. If he is, then he has certainly already been made aware of it by Barr, which greatly diminishes the likelihood of getting anything useful from it.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

He wants Trump to know he's the one orchestrating his demise.

I never agreed with Bolton's thinking or policies, but damn! I give this guy all the respect in the world on this one. He's got the titanium balls.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

He's a principled neocon, but he does have principles. Kind of like Ralph Peters. War mongers through and through, but principled war mongers nevertheless.

Bolton's just not the type to go running to Democrats to whistleblow in Congress. Going to his friends and allies at the WSJ to settle scores in the press was always going to be his MO.

[–] CharlotteXavier (2357) 5 years ago

Did he publicly promise that? I can’t keep up.

[–] CharlotteXavier (2357) 5 years ago

Lol, stickin the shiv in!

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

Thank you for all this info!

So...what does this all mean moving forward? I mean--this sounds beyond damning for Trump and I find it absolutely appalling that a sitting president can commit all these obvious crimes and NOT be prosecuted for it. How can we call ourselves a free nation if we have a president committing such blatantly in-your-face crimes such as this with not only zero consequences but has all of his people rallying around, defending him.

Sounds exactly like a dictatorship at this point.

[–] joi2049 (5561) 5 years ago

If PENCE/BARR/POMPEO/PERRY etc. are also named in the ARTICLES of IMPEACHMENT …

and PENCE doesn't become the NEXT POTUS if the SCAM MAN is REMOVED from office …

it's HIGHLY UNLIKELY NANCY is going to PARDON the SCAM MAN like FORD did NIXON.

Because NANCY also said she didn't want to IMPEACH the SCAM MAN, what she wanted was to SEE HIM IN JAIL.

So if both the SCAM MAN and PENCE are REMOVED from office, then there could be PLENTY of CONSEQUENCES to follow once the REMOVAL takes place.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Won’t it be great if Pelosi becomes President???

[–] joi2049 (5561) 5 years ago

Yes it would especially since THIS YEAR is also the 100TH ANNIVERSARY of when WOMEN were GIVEN the RIGHT to VOTE.

So for that reason 2019 would also be a GOOD YEAR to have a WOMAN in OFFICE (for a change).

:)

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

Trumpers would have a collective aneurysm. XD

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

If we want to see an end to this nightmare, there has to be pressure put on AG William Barr.

Barr has a weakness in that he is exercising authority that goes well beyond our system's conception of the powers of the AG. His whole plan is to discredit the intel agencies and go after anyone that dared to investigate Trump. If the FBI and CIA and sane members of the DOJ let him walk all over them, he can win. However, if people push back, he may fall more quickly than people expect, because the AG office doesn’t have that kind of power to withstand sustained push back. He was already defeated by a grand jury in the McCabe matter. The OLC memo was severely weakened last week in the Second Circuit. Certainly, his very self-serving interpretation of the OLC memo was discredited. What the FBI and CIA should do is open an investigation into Lord Barr for obstruction of justice and that he is a threat to national security.

There’s a very strong case to be made. We know Barr is peddling conspiracy theories and is entangling with Russian assets (Mifsud/Roh/Papadopoulos) to weaponize conspiracy theories against the FBI & CIA. He’s also discrediting the ICs of the western alliance. This helps Russia. That alone is a threat to natsec. In addition, because we know these conspiracy theories have no basis in fact and are propaganda, we know Barr is acting in bad faith. His goal is to protect Trump but one can’t protect him w/out helping Russia and undermining the US. His gambit is all about the ultimate Kremlin goal of lifting US sanctions against Russia. That undermines US foreign policy and national interests.

But something is causing Barr to blink. It's clear he's protecting Giuliani, but as I cited the other day, if he's got things so locked down why were the two Ukrainians arrested at all? SDNY has some autonomy but they have to move quick because Trump is already floating firing the US Attorney of SDNY and replacing him with a Barr stooge.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

I agree with you about/see your point on Barr. What worries me is that I'm NOT seeing any real action against Barr. They should be clamping down on this guy hard and fast. He's the one moron who could derail/destroy this entire thing. Why aren't there more aggressive measures being taken against him?

Ever since he's been appointed, he's done anything BUT be impartial and there's an obvious conflict of interest here.

I find it frustrating that an AG can be allowed to just openly defy his position like this. Makes our government look more flimsy than a sheet of semi-transparent paper.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

This whole Presidency and his appointees have set up a very dangerous precedent for all future presidencies. No matter who gets in - and what their party affiliation will be - will have the chance to exercise free reign, with no consequence. We will have no one to blame but the Republicans of 2016-20.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

Exactly. And it is a virtual GUARANTEE that Donald's base WILL fight tooth and nail against any future dem president that tries doing the same thing, proving themselves to be the ultimate partisan hypocrites that we already know they are. GUARANTEED.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Remember the good ol' days when they took issue with Obama's tan suit and thought that was grounds for impeachment?

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

They thought Obama's race was grounds for impeachment.

[–] joi2049 (5561) 5 years ago

On MSNBC FRANK FIGLIUZZI (former FBI Director for COUNTER INTELLIGENCE) explained how he suspects they've WIRE TAPPED the SCAM MAN and BARR due to the way there were so many DETAILS (TIME/DATES) in the documents.

If he's right, then you're also right about how there's a strong case to be made. And having them UNDER SURVEILLIENCE after the way the SCAM MAN took the SIDE of PUTIN in HELSINKI also MAKES SENSE.

As for what's causing BARR to BLINK here's another message that was posted regarding that matter:

https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/5da26f1b2b1e887d538940bb/ALL-IN-explains-how-BARR-had-the-2-DUDES-working-with-RUDY-ARRESTED-as-a-way-to-try-to-cover-HIS-REAR-END?reply=5da339e62b1e887d538945e5

At the 3:30 TIME MARK a GUEST on ALL IN (GLENN KIRSCHNER a Former Federal Prosecutor) explains the reason why BARR is in a PANIC now and had the 2 DUDES RUDY was working with put in jail:

https://www.msnbc.com/all

What it amounts to is BARR has also been NAMED in the DOCUMENT that the WHISTLE BLOWER submitted.

So the ARREST of those 2 DUDES who tried to FLEA the COUNTRY is a part of the STRATEGY of BARR to try and PROVE he's INNOCENT and doesn't need to be IMPEACHED or also ARRESTED like RUDY will be.

So basically BARR is throwing RUDY and those other 2 guys in jail UNDER the BUS in an effort to try to PROTECT HIMSELF !!!

But since BARR and MUELLER were also such good friends for many years (like LYNDSEY was with McCAIN), one also has to WONDER if maybe BARR's working as a DOUBLE AGENT as a way to GET RID of the SCAM MAN.

Because WHY would he turn his back on MUELLER and chose the SCAM MAN??? NONE of this makes any sense unless he's doing it to HELP his friend DOUBLE CROSS the SCAM MAN due to the way MANAFORT DOUBLE CROSSED MUELLER (by PRETENDING to have FLIPPED when he hadn't as a way to REPORT back what MUELLER was doing to the SCAM MAN).

So imagine what that could mean for MEMBERS of the GOP who've supported the SCAM MAN if BARR admits he's been part of a STING OPERATION against the SCAM MAN!!!

[–] CharlotteXavier (2357) 5 years ago

Interesting!

[–] ultravioletx (10237) 5 years ago

Well done, eYe. And I agree with you, I think Bolton leaked it to Murdoch's WSJ because it doesn't make sense for the WSJ to come on board with this if it wasn't true.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

Exactly. I think it's clear Murdoch is much more hands on with the Fox operation than the WSJ. He appears to be respecting the autonomy of the WSJ news division even though their op-eds have become very right wing since the purchase from the Bankcrofts.

[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

Innuendo, speculation, fake news lies, oh my! If Democrats would have all this stuff transparent and in the open like they should then people wouldn't be having to rely on cherry-picked leaks to fuel their conspiracy theories and partisan narratives. Seriously, these threads are like standing by the tabloid rack at the grocery store check out.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

lulz. Oh look, the bitter fringe John Solomon conspiracy loon showing up right on cue to get clowned by reality.

Read it and cry bitch. Like I said Murdoch's WSJ has been front and center reporting this story before your conspiracy shucksters mangle it into the fake news you know and love. So the WSJ is fake news now? rotfl.

Ah that's right, you can't access real news because you don't know how to bypass paywalls and a subscription to the WSJ is above your pay grade. Too bad.

[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

What a load of deranged non sequiturs that completely missed my point. We shouldn't have to rely on anonymous claims in this or that paper or cherry-picked leaks, or resort to endless speculation and rumor mongering in threads like this on an issue that's ostensibly of the utmost importance. You, joi, and doggie are gossiping little girls.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

They could have Trump on video talking about it himself and krl would still be singing the same song.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

His tantrums are most amusing. I love watching him blow a fuse because he can't get sane people to buy into his wingnut John Solomon alt-reality. The boy really needs to take his Jordan Peterson self help workshops more seriously and get a job.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

LOL!

[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

BTW, I love how you refer to yourself in the third person in the title of your own thread op, LOL. Talk about a kooky narcissist.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

lululuz. Seeing as how those qualities are what made you pledge your eternal fealty to your fuhrer, I can't possibly be insulted. You should really just enjoy the shitshow of what I'm sure you believe is a deep state plot to take out your master and king. It's not like you can prevent the inevitable.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

I've still yet to see a single Trumper online that doesn't act dumber than a bag of bricks.

Does he even HAVE intelligent supporters? If he does, they certainly don't post online.

[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

your fuhrer

LOL! You really are an insipid clown.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

eYeDEF has posted the largest amount of actual news on this board than anyone else and has been frequently correct in many of his predictions.

You're nothing more than a two-bit troll masquerading as a hardened Trumper, seeking attention and validation on this board.

Your actual effort in trying to take on eYeDEF is cute and all but it looks stupid. This poster keeps the REALITY on this board while clowns like you keep spinning propaganda.

You're out of your depth, kid.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

You're nothing more than a two-bit troll masquerading as a hardened Trumper, seeking attention and validation on this board.

I've never seen anyone work as hard as him before, trying to impress everyone and feel validated by everyone on an anonymous forum board - and fail completely.

#NarcissiticPersonalityDisorder

#NPD

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

Yep. He REALLY has an obsession with you, me and eYeDEF, I've noticed. He finds and replies to nearly every post we make.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Awww, but then you will miss out on all the laughs.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

That's part of the reason I don't--if you block someone on this board, it blocks everyone who replies to that person in a conversation thread. You guys have some hilarious replies to the kid that I wouldn't want to miss. :)

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

Really? I'm starting to find him really amusing just because he's so easy to clown. It's kind of fun just watching how frustrated he gets because no one bothers to answer questions that he really should be able to figure out on his own.

I have no doubt the kid has some form of autism that impairs his logic and ability to reason.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

He's blowing my notifications box up. Just yesterday, I opened my box up and saw 7 alerts--every damn one of them was krl97a. He's practically saying the same sh!t in every post. I actually missed one of your posts to me because it was lost in a see of krl posts like a little pepper flake in a sea of salt.

But, like I told doggie, I won't block him because it would also mute the posts of anyone who replies to him. I LOVE your replies to that kid. You knock him on his a$$ every time. XD

What's hilarious is the fact that he keeps getting back up, dusts himself off, acts like you didn't just eviscerate his a$$ and runs at you again. You've gotta admire his tenacity. XD

No, I won't block him even if he is stopping my inbox up like a gas station toilet.

[–] joi2049 (5561) 5 years ago

The RED NOTICE sitting by my bell says I've got 172 NOTIFICATIONS.

So my apologies to anyone else that I've missed replying back to again!!!

:)

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

DAMN! O_o

[–] joi2049 (5561) 5 years ago

Make that 173.

:)

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

He's blowing my notifications box up. Just yesterday, I opened my box up and saw 7 alerts--every damn one of them was krl97a.

Me, too!!!!!! Hahahahahahahahaha!

Then he tells me I'm obsessed with HIM! Quite the Narcissist!!

But I love when eYe flattens him out, and he claims he won the fight. Truly hilarious.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

Ha! Ha! That's funny. XD

Yeah, I love how eYeDEF leaves him bleeding out and he just stands there, acting triumphantly. Literally NO ONE comes to his defense either which is also funny.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

"He's blowing my notifications box up"

Mine too! He's like a gaslighting tornado of spam. I've never witnessed anything quite like it. If you bother to correct him in a post he'll blow your inbox up with a mountain of unhinged and off topic spam. It really is such a sight to behold. That's why I've been trying to encourage him to get a job.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

To be honest, I usually don't even read his posts to me anymore--just skim them. I always catch "NRA" mixed in there when skimming his posts to me, so I know he's just repeating the same spin tactic about my post I made about the NRA from two months ago. He thinks he "got" me with that one which I find adorable. XD

Job? What job could he do? He'd burn the kitchen at McDonald's. Call centers are out as I don't see any evidence that this guy knows how to interact with people in any sort of way even resembling a human being.

He doesn't seem the type to be able to sit still for extended periods of time which rules out offices, truck driving, delivery, etc.

Maybe Breitbart can hire him? He'd excel there.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

Yeah you're right. I think even Breitbart wouldn't put up with his level of cognitive impairment that prevents him from gaining any perspective outside his own stilted, binary view of the world. I've read those symptoms are common among those that suffer from severe brain damage to the prefrontal cortex. It's a limitation that diminishes cognitive flexibility and promotes intolerance and religious fundamentalism among afflicted due to their stunted brains lacking the capacity for nuance. Their minds will instead go into a repetitive loop and shut down while trying to deploy reason and logic the rest of us take for granted.

That would go a long way towards explaining his gaslighting tornados of spam. He has a total lack of impulse control from the lack of a functioning prefrontal cortex. He'd just be setting himself up to fail if he tried to get a job.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

LOL!

Maybe Donald would hire him.

[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

LOL! Oh this is awesome. You four simpering, unemployed morons spending the day spamming up this thread crying about me....without posting a single substantive fact supporting your BS according to my quick skim. That's even more entertaining than the conspiracy theory idiocy you've been spewing. Between you you losers can't even quote a single provably false statement I've made.

It's like y'all have set up a therapy support group for people who have been eviscerated in debates by krl97a. The ignorant clown eyedef, my favorite punching bag, who's still red faced after insisting "40%" of the Mueller was redacted, among countless other faceplants, was even butthurt enough to single me out by name in his new hilariously insane, meandering thread op rant. Talk about obsession.

Hint - If you want to persuade people who aren't already in the same boat as you, you need to make true claims and support them with evidence, which you laughably whine about me doing.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

I work in an office so I can post throughout the day. See, not all jobs involve wearing a paper hat and asking "did you want that supersized?".

Thanks to your Cheeto Jesus, you will have an abundance of fast food job choices since that's about the only base of jobs he's brought back. XD

[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

I hope your alleged work product is less inane than the drivel you post here.

"In the last 26 months of Obama’s presidency, manufacturing employment grew by 96,000 or 0.8%. In Trump’s first 26 months, manufacturers added 479,000 jobs, or 3.9%, 399% more jobs than Obama’s record......"

https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/5d52ebe902ec295b54e5c251/Trump-boosts-manufacturing-jobs-399-more-in-his-first-26-months-than-Obamas-last-26-months

And actually Democrat pushed minimum wage laws are killing those service jobs, but your utter lack of respect for the teenagers and entry level employees who really do work at such places is noted. As with your homophobic (as liberals define it) comments on the other thread, you keep showing that liberal rhetoric is bullshit.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Talk about a kooky narcissist.

The only talk about a kooky narcissist is the talk about you.

[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

There's certainly a lot of that, you gossiping little girls, LOL.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

ROTFLMAO!

[–] chilone (17857) 5 years ago

It's actually more like the human centipede in real life.

[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

Yeah, except instead of being forced these idiots are eagerly swallowing each other's shit and pumping it around.

[–] joi2049 (5561) 5 years ago

CORRECTION:

It's the SCAM MAN (not us) who is standing in some REALLY DEEP DOO DOO NOW, due to the way he HELD the MONEY HOSTAGE that the LEADER of UKRAINE NEEDED as a way to PROTECT HIMSELF from PUTIN.

So you're UPSET that he's been CAUGHT being the CRIMINAL that he is (and always has been) and have DISPLACED the way you feel and are trying to take it out on us.

DISPLACEMENT is also one of the EGO DEFENSE MECHANISMS that one learns about when one takes PSYCH 101.

:)

[–] yatzo376 (7717) 5 years ago

Goddamn the scam man!

[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

being the CRIMINAL that he is

Since none of your idiot comrades have been able to answer this essential question, maybe you can succeed where they've failed:

If he's a "criminal", name the law Trump supposedly broke.

[–] joi2049 (5561) 5 years ago

Remember the case that now has his former ATTORNEY COHEN SITTING in JAIL now??? The one where THE SCAM MAN paid the PLAYMATE and the PORN STAR HUSH MONEY to keep them from telling the PUBLIC how they'd had SEX with him????

The DOCUMENTS for that case also name the SCAM MAN as CO CONSPIRATOR (AKA: INDIVIDUAL ONE).

The CRIME was BREAKING the LAW in regards to using CAMPAIGN MONEY as a way to PAY THEM the HUSH MONEY.

And the only reason the CO CONSPIRATOR (called INDIVIDUAL ONE) isn't also sitting in jail now is because he SITS there in the OVAL OFFICE which PROTECTS him from PROSECUTION.

But he's also been BUSTED for MONEY LAUNDERING (when he ran the CASINO in Atlantic City).

And he was also BUSTED for running that FAKE UNIVERSITY, and after FOUND GUILTY he was also ORDERED by the JUDGE to PAY PEOPLE BACK for the MONEY that he STOLE from them.

And he was also BUSTED for running the FAKE CHARITY, and he's also being INVESTIGATED for CHEATING on his TAXES (which COHEN also told us about when he TESTIFIED).

And Back when he worked for his father, they were also BUSTED for DISCRIMINATION by refusing to RENT to people who didn't have WHITE SKIN.

The SCAM MAN has filed about 4,000 LAW SUITS or more, and he has also had way too many other SUITS to name FILED AGAINST HIM for REFUSING to pay people what he owned them.

But this also gives you a sample of what his CRIMINAL HISTORY involves.

And The PORN STAR also said he hired a THUG to threaten her life if she refused to take the HUSH MONEY.

[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

So he didn't break any laws regarding Ukraine? That's what I was asking about in response to your comments on Ukraine and him supposedly being "CAUGHT being the CRIMINAL that he is" (sic). Context clues.

You just incorrectly described various old, unproved allegations and civil cases from years past (e.g. the "discrimination" suit was pushed by an activist group and essentially dropped due to contradicting witness testimony and a weak case; it was settled for no money and no finding of guilt) and the BS Cohen conviction for actions that were not illegal.

Cohen pleaded guilty to the field of charges against him (his real crimes were unrelated to Trump) without a fight in exchange for lenient treatment. Mueller would have nailed him for the real crimes but had no chance of winning a conviction on the perfectly legal porn star payoffs which were long standing practice before Trump ran for office and had nothing to do with his campaign. That would have been laughed out of court.

[–] joi2049 (5561) 5 years ago

He'll most likely also be named as a CO CONSPIRATOR along with RUDY in the UKRAINE case.

And the FAKE UNIVERSITY he ran is also a PROVEN OFFENSE, for which he's been FORCED to PAY BACK the VICTIMS that he SCAMMED out of their MONEY, by the JUDGE and JURY who found him GUILTY.

And this link also explains how the CRIMES of the SCAM MAN are definitely also RELATED to those of COHEN:

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/michael-cohen-named-trump-individual-1-here-s-why-prosecutors-ncna947016

QUOTE:

[b]implicated in federal election law crimes committed by his former personal attorney, Michael Cohen. As a recent filing by Manhattan federal prosecutors notes, “Individual-1” (the president) directed Cohen to make payments to two women to conceal his sexual relationship with them. Cohen admitted that this conduct was a crime — indeed, Cohen pled guilty to it in a Manhattan federal courtroom and was sentenced Wednesday to three years in prison.

Why didn’t prosecutors simply name the president as the man who directed Cohen to make those payments? The use of “Individual-1” seems like a bulky and unnecessary contrivance. The U.S. Attorneys' Manual (a guidebook for federal prosecutors) supplies an answer[/b]:

END QUOTE

Because CAMPAIGN MONEY was also USED to PAY OFF the PORN STAR and the PLAYMATE which is ILLEGAL and which is also why they were FOUND GUILTY of VIOLATING FEDERAL ELECTION CRIME LAWS.

[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

Conspiring to do what? Giuliani hasn't even been charged with anything.

The Cohen charge is BS as I explained. He was only "found guilty" because Cohen pleaded guilty without contesting it as part of a larger deal. It wasn't tried in court and if Trump is ever charged with that crime he'll win easily.

[–] joi2049 (5561) 5 years ago

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/trump-could-be-an-unindicted-co-conspirator-in-investigation-into-rudy-giuliani-msnbc-panel/

Trump could be an ‘unindicted co-conspirator’ in investigation into Rudy Giuliani: MSNBC panel

QUOTE:
[b]Trump could be an “unindicted co-conspirator in the federal investigation that has already resulted in indictments of two associates of Rudy Giuliani, the panel on MSNBC’s “Deadline: White House” on Monday.

it’s clear through the indictment out of the Southern District of New York that there are persons known and unknown,” Figliuzzi “When you hear persons known that, means that the government knows there are other individuals and that they’re likely under investigation. Is one of those individuals Rudy Giuliani? It would appear — through multiple media reporting — that it indeed is.”
“You know the drill here. They are going to try to flip these two associates of Rudy, and they’re going to motivate them strongly to talk and start pointing upward at others,” Figliuzzi added.

If Igor Fruman and Lev Parnas flip and throw Giuliani under the bus, it could cause the former New York City mayor to cut a deal himself in return for flipping gon Trump, former federal prosecutor Paul Butler explained.

“Again, if they’ve got the goods on Giuliani, Giuliani might want to make a deal if he’s looking at jail time. And, again, he only gets a good deal if he can give up someone higher in the food chain. I think we all know who that person would be

END QUOTE

BYE BYE SCAM MAN !!!

[–] krl97a (5619) 5 years ago

So you're posting vague speculation about something that might or might not happen if something else you're speculating about happens. Got it.

[–] yatzo376 (7717) 5 years ago

Well , he signed the checks for Micheal Cohen who went to jail because of said checks