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"The emperor will show you the true nature of the force"
'The princess of Alderaan has disrupted my plan'
"Living amongst the normies"
Did the killer betray himself subconsciously when he missed?
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"You've got the teeth of the hydra upon you". That's a T-Rex lyric.
Someone decoded those weird letters in one of the teasers. 'Stood upon the sand of the sea'.
It's a quote from the Bible, the book of revelation: "Then I stood on the sand of the sea. I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads"
Seven heads. That is to say some sort of Hydra. The teaser's title is 'we've been waiting for her'. Who is 'we'? The hydra? Some sort of Satanic cult?
'No sense of timeline in the scenes'. What do you mean?
There's another tiny twitch when Dolores, Hodges' secretary, begs. Same eye, the left one. 'Empathy is weakness(tiny twitch)weakness is vulnerability'.
The left=sinister eye. His right=dexterous one is in shadow, as is that side of his face.
The twist being, if you're a killer then compassion is evil, a temptation. It could kill you.
'I'm just like you, one of the many(twitch)' at the end is meant to be provocative I guess (in Se7en, written by the same guy, we have John Doe, an Everyman, one of the many too)
I guess you can trace the twitch to the killer missing that shot at the beginning. The dominatrix entered his vision from the left, and only then the killer pulled the trigger just as Morrissey was singing 'and you want to die'. I guess a subconscious and sinister boyfriend thought got in the way primed by the sinister dominatrix, and that the killer wanted to leave that life deep down...the hesitation almost cost him his girlfriend though.
A possible source for the 'idle hours' line. Dylan Thomas lived in New Quay, Wales for a while after WWII:
https://www.discoverdylanthomas.com/llareggub-and-the-1939-war-register
"As in previous census returns, New Quay’s fishermen remain hidden within the 1939 War Register. Only two people gave their occupation as fisherman. But there were many in the town with fishing boats, who fished to supplement their savings, war pensions or income from another job. Several of the master mariners and retired sailors had their own boats, as did some of the tradesmen, including grocer Norman Evans, whose boat was aptly-named the Idle Hour. Cobbler Glanmor Rees and carpenter Carsey ‘Evans the Death’ also had fishing boats, as did Skipper Rymer of the Dolau pub and butcher Dai ‘Come Back’ Lewis"
The Idle Hour meant retirement, then.
Maybe The Killer was subconsciously a in retirement mood when we first meet him. We see him wearing that flowery shirt, which looks like the place were Magdala lives and where the film ends. So maybe that's where he came from, before the film began, filled with idle hours, maybe even had a boat there.
You are both right in a way. The killer is too much of a human; but then, perversely, that human is too much of a killer - and therefore not very human. So his basic program (killer) gets infected by a more insidious, weaker one (boyfriend).
In fact, he looks like a replicant.
A bit like Deckard/K in Blade Runner, a bit like Walter/David in Prometheus/Covenant. Maybe that's why Fassbender was cast.
He becomes disoriented after missing, and then he cures his inner vertigo by getting to the top of that tower. The Expert was onto something when she said he wanted to be reassurance, although wrong about the 'there's no other life'.
And the names Magdala and Hitchcock's Madeleine (from Vertigo) are related etimologically, so maybe that's a wink on Fincher's part. Like Scottie, the Killer sort of sleepwalks through the film.
Thanks for the reply!
Again, Kinderman didn't know that you are capable of doing things beyond your strength when you are possessed. And he didn't know (in this theory) if Dyer was gay or not. Had he known those two things, maybe he would have watched Dyer more closely.
The film is directly adapted from the novel', yes, but it is still an adaptation, and not a mere transcription. In this theory, the Dyer thing would be more Friedkin -'Boys in the Band', 'Cruising'- than Blatty.
As for the sequel idea, I don't know if you have seen Oz Perkins' Blackcoat's Daughter but this is how it begins (vs the exorcist's ending):
https://pasteboard.co/yxVNtSN3r9fL.png
Not a real sequel, since it doesn't happen in that universe, but it comes close in some aspects. Regan is 12; the girl in Perkins' movie is 14.
Yes, Regan hugs him. But she thought him to be someone else , Karras I suppose. She looks at his collar thing, and we see a (rather alarming) shot of Dyer without his head. She kind of remembers a priest, but not that priest. Then she hugs and kisses him and you can see her confusion.
As for the 'powerful man' well, Regan was just a girl but she owerpowered several adults while possessed. Kinderman didn't know about this kind of thing.
Also I noticed this. Father Dyer waving good bye at the end:
https://pasteboard.co/XreLCFE5aEcI.png
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