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DEI was the reason Democrats lost
Trump = candidate of the people. Kamala = candidate of the elite
My challenge to liberals and "anti racists"
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You are right.
OFC she's dumb, uncharismatic and a bad politician (she got no delegates in the primaries), but that ties to my whole argument. Had Democrats not been so blindly determined to DEI, they would have chosen someone better.
"Governments all over the world are offering incentives for people to start families. How does government just magic wand a cultural shift? "
Incentives could go further if there was political will. And there is no political will because the media doesn't do it's job of informing public about the huge likelihood of racial differences and it's danger to the future of the country.
" People upset over the mass bombing of Palestinians in Gaza doesn't really equate to voting on the basis of wanting an ethno state in your own country".
Palestinians desire to have an ethno state is OK, but for native British people it's not. Nationalism for brown people, multiculturalism for Whites
"you are just spouting baseless conjecture."
What are you talking about?
"are we talking about private companies censoring here or the government"
Right now social media companies can act as both publishers as well as a platform. They have to chose one or the other. Preserving democracy and free speech which is the basis of Western civilization (and potentially even a decline of our countries into third world) is more important than letting people fire others due to their politics. Funny how leftists were the first to want laws against firing someone because they were gay, but now suddenly are worried about free association.
"They aren't. The right, or the 'racial right' (for want of a better term) are free to set up their own parallel media ecosphere. You don't have the right to demand a media outfit air your views."
Ever heard of monopolies? Funny how liberals support government breaking them, but when those monopolies are on their side, suddenly corporations have rights. Free speech which is the basis of democracy is more important than the right of corporations to free association. And they aren't forced to endorse views expressed the content they host. They can easily put disclaimers.
"Because their parents tend to be poorer. And on the cycle goes. "
And why were their parents born in poverty? How come Chinese and Indians were able to escape poverty, but Blacks weren't?
"How many Arabs are coming into the Uk from Qatar, Saudi Arabia, U.A.E?"
Data please? Also again ignoring the IQs of those counties as a whole. They are rich, have good education index, but their IQs are between 79 and 84. But environment, eh?
"How is that not "telling the media what to do"? And the media /DOES/ cover birth rate declines. They do show statistics regarding race-based outcomes of groups."
So the media shouldn't do it's job? They don't properly investigate the cause s of racial differences.
I never said it's "at will". Tell the truth to the public about 1. Current racial differences in behavior and 2. The fact racial equality has never been proven and that it's very likely to be false. It will be a floodgate from that.
So the leftist press does things that prevent the very same culture change needed to increase birth rates while at the same time using low births to convince people to take immigrants. If you are creating a problem, you don't get to complain about it and use it to your advantage.
"Some stupid Comment is Free article from The Guardian does not remotely represent the average position of the wider Uk press"
I's not just one article. It's a pattern that the media is leftist and tends to not encourage high births. If low births are a threat to a country, the media should encourage it.
"Again, no, this does not happen."
So you are saying the media objectively reports about minority crime, welfare use and other negative behavior like grooming gangs? That is fairly reports on the possibility that some racial groups could be inherently prone to worse behavior? This is just pure BS and you know it.
"It's due to population, supply of houses and many other factors. Not just regulation at all (whatever you mean by that)."
Supply of houses is lower because of environmental regulation and demand is higher because of immigration. Both leftist policies.
"All those things are in Jewish ethnic interest.
How so?"
Because Jews feel threatened by strong White ethnic groups given their history. Also, by getting rid of Whites, they are eliminating competition for their power. Other races aren't intellectually challenging to them.
"Jews feel safer the more "diverse" America is because they will "sick out" less
Why would they stick out more in a less diverse America? Most Jews just look like white Americans."
You don't have to distinguish a Jew from a non Jew physically to know that there are Jews.
"What does this mean directly in terms of policy?"
That White safe spaces shouldn't be illegal or demonized just like Blacks aren't. That immigration restriction based on ethnicity shouldn't be illegal and labelled inherently immoral just like it isn't for non White countries.
Can you tell me the lies told about them on "wokeypedia" there please?
I said it's not objective source. You don't have to say falsehoods in order to deceive. Just choosing how to frame the sentence and what to include/exclude is enough.
"And my point regarding Anne is that she hasn't, to my knowledge, ever said anything racist"
Yet she's still called a fascist, Islamophobe and far right.
"There's no right in any society to have any grievance "raised effectively""
Yes there is. In a democratic and fair country, every ethnic group should be allowed to be on their own side and explicitly argue for their interest. Whites are not allowed to be explicitly pro White, while others are. You have never addressed how this double standard isn't unfair.
"Also, people do very much talk about the plight of white working-class men, or sometimes men in general in the UK - and issues with mass migration. It's not framed in the way you want it"
Yes, the most effective arguments (IQ, crime, racial differences) are not allowed because they are the most effective. What you're saying is you're allowed to play football as long as you play poorly.
Any rational and fair society would examine differences between racial groups if it was truly concerned about it's future. The British and other Western societies are deliberately willfully ignorant on this issue.
"The numbers coming from Europe have dropped post-Brexit, if I recall."
Yes that's because of Brexit made it harder for them to come. Since Europeans do better and assimilate better, there should be easier for them to come. Brexit was a mistake. If it really cared about it's future, UK should limit Muslims and Blacks, not Europeans.
"With what magic wand?"
Government incentives and culture shift.
"It was considered stupid."
But it wasn't considered racist
"If he went on a sticker campaign, I think its possible he would."
It's she not, he. And no she wouldn't and you know it. Minority ethnic identity is not considered racist. Stop lying.
"How do you "demand" an end to what you see as cancel culture without infringing on the right to assembly, and free association?"
Free association right to censor people who you disagree with while at the same time claiming to be a democracy and complaining how the right is anti democratic? The left doesn't have a right to get to decide which ideas get to spread in society and which don't. If you think some ideas are wrong, debunk them and address them. Don't cheat
"Because they're born into poverty more commonly than white people."
Ever heard of social mobility? Also why are they born into poverty?
"How does genetics have anything to do with the family you are born into?"
Genetics affects behavior. We know this from twin studies.
Now, I've had enough of this. How the hell did you manage to write such a long post? I always have a very narrow limit of characters. I DEMAND to know. Do you have special privileges on this board?
"Are you genuinely claiming, or suggesting that most people coming to the UK from China happen to be poor people fleeing a conflict, or economic migrants like in Syria? As far as I am aware, most Chinese immigrants to the UK are student immigrants."
Why are you again derailing the argument to only those in the UK? I was talking about China and Arab countries as a whole. And who's talking about Syria? Syria is only one Arab country. Most other Arab countries aren't at war.
"IQ tests challenge the brain in various ways that require some level of education to do well."
Not really. IQ tests are deliberately designed to be simple so you don't require any education. Just ability to distinguish squares and triangles.
"Every western country, including the UK tries to encourage birth rates via incentives. This already happens. And again, the media is free. You cannot tell the media what to do"
Those policies didn't go nearly far enough. There is much more room for birth rate incentives if there was only political will.
It's not asking anything of the media that to do it's job. If the future of the country depends on weather or not immigrants will integrate and become Successful, then it's the medias duty to objectively inform the public weather or not that is happening and weather or not this is likely to happen. (And to investigate all science which could affect this including racial IQ differences). The media doesn't do its job. It prioritizes things like "fighting stereotypes" and fighting so called "racism" (which is not the telos of the media, but a biased leftist value) over the future of country and civilization. The media is just treasonous to their own countries.
Ok so you don't care about ruining your country just so you wont' be accused of "stereotyping". Great.
"It is far more ethical and best practice to judge an individual on their own merits."
But here we are not talking about judging individuals, but groups. Immigration is a collective policy. No country has the means to judge every individual specifically to decide weather or not he should be let in (especially since they have an incentive to lie and deceive to be let in).
"And, loaded questions"
It's not a loaded question since this is literally happening. Whites will be a minority in the UK in 2060s. Muslims are rising quickly. They aren't assimilating, their values, culture and loyalties are totally different than ours. There is absolutely no reason to think they will assimilate and become like us. Unless something drastic changes, the UK will eventually become a majority Muslim country and it won't be the UK anymore. Do you not care about you country's long term identity?
"They (differences within groups) matter less than differences within ethnic groups"
Why are you just repeating this talking point and not addressing the argument? Just because there is technically more diversity within than between doesn't mean between differences can't be vastly important.
"No; it is an example of giving a standard definition."
In what world is taking aggregate ethnic differences in behavior not make sense if we are deciding from which countries we should be taking immigrants?
"Most differences are, literally, skin deep."
That's simply not true. There are differences in intelligence, psychopathy rates, time preference, work ethic, vulnerability to diseases, life spans...etc, etc..
"However this is not the same as negatively stereotyping in order to exclude them en masse."
Again how do you define stereotype? Does it mean the belief has to be false? Ethnic differences in behavior are factually true. There is nothing immoral about excluding certain ethnic groups from your country and especially not if they tend to cause problems. The purpose of countries is that different ethnic groups have their homelands. No group owes inclusion to anyone else. If Japanese don't like the Chinese, they aren't obligated to take millions of them in their country just like we aren't obligated to take in Pakistanis. Even if our perceptions about Pakistanis were false, we still wouldn't be obligated to take them and they are far from false given the data.
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