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I'm fully aware of the original story and how it played out.
"Lucky" to have Gaston as a villain? Your passive-aggressiveness is so misdirected. I wouldn't consider him one of my FAVORITE villains. I just find his case fascinating and I can't help but think about other possibilities. Something you have no concept of.
If they did, I never saw any alternate endings or storyboards for it. They also had Linda Woolverton on the writing team and she's known for being a flaming FemiNazi.
Your condescending know-it-all attitude says way more about you than it does me.
How do you know that? You can't.
And it's not my version, genius. Way to ignore my last post.
Who is to say the prince wouldn't have done any of that or worse had the Enchantress not intervened?
I did not miss his behavior at all. I'm saying the movie didn't go far enough in having him punished.
You are indeed missing my point and missing it on purpose because you are so damn closed-minded on what Disney puts in front of you.
Also, artists are not always right about their work. Disney is especially not in a position where you can say they are right about their own work.
"He was a narcissistic asshole that didn't understand boundaries"
And the prince wasn't? Heck, even the Beast wasn't?
"He practically wanted to force Belle into marrying him without her consent."
And you think the prince wouldn't have done a similar thing had the Enchantress not intervened? Or something equally as bad or worse?
"Nobody except you"
This is how I know you are closed-minded and don't want to explore other possibilities except what Disney has put in front of you. Using an appeal to the majority argument (as if that works on me).
And by the way, no I'm not the only one who sees how this could have played differently. Take it up with this person who wrote this story.
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/1889152/1/Just-Rewards
I think it's more simple than you think.
How many times have you seen the antagonist meet their defeat by falling off a high object?
Most likely countless.
It's been done before so many times that it's long lost the initial impact it first had. The story still doesn't completely follow through on the parallels drawn between Gaston and the prince.
If this scene had been written a completely different way, and actually have Gaston meet a much more shameful defeat that is even more humiliating for him, that would have made it much more satisfying and have the themes of the story ring even more true.
Where was Embarrassment in the first film? Young children get embarassed too.
You don't know what you're missing. You should check it out anyway.
I'll check out that game sometime.
You're speaking as if this can't work for any villain.
The problem with Hollywood is that they do this wrong. Especially Disney. Disney does it by not doing it (i.e. Maleficent and Cruella).
Then cursing him and him refusing to change would have been his just reward.
For most of the movie, yes.
Then he would have gotten cursed at the end just like the prince did.
Much more satisfying consequence in my opinion.
No. This scene.
You're missing the point of my entire post. You're looking at that one moment of high emotions and saying "oh, he's entirely unredeemable" and not even considering other possibilities (and in my mind, the scene would have gone a different direction several minutes earlier so it wouldn't have gotten to this point anyway).
I'm saying it would have been a much more satisfying conclusion for Gaston if he suffered the same fate the Beast did since he paralleled him so much in this movie. It would have been up to him from that point if he wanted to redeem himself or not, and it would have been up to the audience to draw their own conclusions on where he went from there.
I hold the same position on Gaston as I do with Tai Lung from Kung Fu Panda.
It was in the moment of emotional rage or hurt.
Both stories you mentioned sound really stupid in my opinion.
But since you brought up fanfiction, there are two stories that have explored this possibility. The first is called Just Rewards. Belle did not get to the castle in time to stop Gaston from killing the Beast. Gaston decides on his own to keep the Beast alive to a) use him as an attraction for their village so he can further show off his skills to "tame" the Beast and b) use the Beast to further blackmail Belle into marrying him. By the end of that story, the Enchantress does appear, free the Beast and castle servants/change them back, and curse Gaston. It's followed by a sequel called A Man of Stature, which follows Gaston's journey into getting rid of the curse.
Both stories are extremely well-written. Everyone from the movie is perfectly in character and you can practically hear them speak every line of dialogue. You can still find them and read them today. The author, in my opinion, should be writing for Disney or at least published fanfiction books for Disney. It's a shame they keep picking terrible ones.
I think he's either trolling or being purposefully obtuse.
No it wasn't. Watch that scene again.
No one is saying what the Beast did was morally correct.
We are saying he did not kidnap Belle and that she stayed out of her own choice.
As far as legally though? I think you forget that the Beast was a prince and royalty tends to do whatever they want. Not saying that's morally right or that it's a good thing.
"Why should she feel the need to honour a promise she made under coercion? If someone held a gun to your father's head, and said "get in my car or I'll kill him", and made you to promise not to try to escape, would you feel the need to honour that promise?"
Did you even watch the damn movie?
That is not what happened.
Trading places with her father was BELLE'S idea.
Idiot.
Oh My God.
Either you are talking about the wrong movie or you are just flat-out lying about it.
Belle was NEVER kidnapped.
Belle did NOT have Stockholm Syndrome.
This has been so thoroughly debunked many times over it should be embarrassing for anyone to bring it up again.
Stop it. Seriously.
I thought the sequel was pretty solid.
It’s theater to people like him. They don’t actually care.