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I agree. It’s such a disservice to the character and it spits in the face of Matt Murdock who went through hell and back just for a shot at this man.
I can understand what they were trying to do with Kate. After all she is the hero of the show. And she beat him using a combination of perseverance and pure luck. And to be fair, he was pulling his punches as he didn’t seem interested in hurting what was essentially a kid. He just wanted Eleanor.
But the crap with Maya was painful to watch as Maya is just a terrible character. She has no purpose in the show other than to distract from the main plot and the actress literally empties the charisma out of any scene she’s in. For someone like Kingpin to be taken out by such a non character so easily, when we just saw how much Kate struggled, and we know how hard Matt struggled, is just a punch in the guts really.
Something similar happens in the comic where Maya shoots him point blank in the face. Then the next panel just shows a BLAM! But it’s revealed later on that he just lost an eye.
Almost certain it’s referencing that issue so quite certain he isn’t dead.
Okay maybe I was a bit too harsh on Charlie. I just thought it was pretty insensitive to tell a woman “easy easy easy” after she watched her husband die.
But I still think Benny is just the worst. He kept eyeing Michelle even though it was clearly making Jo uncomfortable. Okay, Jo may have been reading too much into it, whatever. But Benny never backs down or apologizes when Jo confronts him. Even if it’s just to release the tension with an already stressed out man.
Also, I can’t help but feel it’s Benny’s fault the seaplane gets attacked. They’re all sitting in the water at the same time. Then we cut to the next shot and Charlie and Kaz have both managed to get in the plane and equipped themselves. Where is Benny? Still outside eyeballing Michelle instead of getting back in and therefore slowing down the departure and giving the shark enough time to attack them.
I think with Regan, she was worried her mother might try to stop her. Especially after Marcus’s freak out when she told him about it. Also, her mother had her brothers to take care of and at that point, everything Emmett said indicated that he was not willing to help them. As foolish as her decision was, it’s understandable that a child would make that choice given that context.
What made absolutely no sense was why Marcus decided to go for a stroll. This part annoyed the heck out of me. As you said, he was injured and he was also the sole carer for his baby brother. His character throughout both movies is consistently shown as someone who is perpetually terrified and would not take chances. In fact, when his mother left, he was physically shaking. So it made absolutely no sense for him to do this. What annoyed me most was that they could’ve easily introduced some excuse that forces him to leave. This would have been a character moment for him, allowing him to overcome his fear and rise to the occasion. Instead, he just does something stupid and completely out of character for no reason at all.
He didn’t even sacrifice himself for them. They were all on a mission to go to transmit the sound through radio to all survivors. When he got them there, he decided he was no longer needed and it was more important for him to go back to protect his child. That’s when he was attacked. How is that in anyway a sacrifice for whites?
Dude... just write over it with a whiteboard marker and then rub it off. Simple as that...
My thoughts exactly. Why did the bad guy just suddenly go into “I gotta kill everything” mode if all he wanted from the beginning was to just kill the sharks?
Dianne wiest was horrible to watch for me. Her acting is terrible and all her scenes were just hard to get through.
thank you!
This movie drove me insane because of how many contrivances were involved just to drive the plot forward. Literally nothing made a lick of sense!
A man covered in blood is arrested and confesses to two police officers that he has murdered someone but they have to let him go because they don't have a body so there's no evidence to hold him. WTF?
A girl goes missing and you've found her car and thus a defined search area, so the main character runs off elsewhere. But the police's response to this is what is maddening. They have a search radius around the car but because there are too many houses in the area, let's just go into the mountains and look there instead. Has a police officer ever said this? "Mate, I mean, we have her last known location, but it's just too much work you know? so we're just going to look somewhere else that's not as labour intensive" WTF?????
They leave a suspected woman killer who is clearly deranged with a single female police officer. WTF??
Two police officers follow him after he leaves but one misses the bus/train (I can't remember) and just decides 'ah fuck it, no point me trying to catch up anyway. I'm sure this one skinny female police officer can handle the job just fine. I'll go get some KFC" WTF??
Police officer follows a suspect who goes into a tiny convenience store and stays in there for at least 30 minutes. She doesn't even bother to look inside and just waits outside for half an hour. Just sits by the street side possibly day dreaming about the latest K-Pop band. WTF???
There are so many more retarded stupid moments in this movie that just depends on stupid contrivances. I know it was trying to make the case of police incompetence, but at least make it believable. This is cartoon level ineptitude. The villain did everything possible to be caught but only escaped because of sheer stupidity on everyone else's part.
I have to disagree. In infinity war, it was specifically said that you have to sacrifice that which you love most. As in you have to be the one to willingly take the action. It seems to be a test of will. Standing back while another sacrifices herself will not satisfy the strict wording of the rules. And if you look at the purpose (test of will), Barton clearly failed that too. I could be wrong though (does he let her go or does she push herself off? I can’t remember. This would be very important in considering who did the sacrifice).
Further it has to be the one you love most. I doubt Hawkeye loved widow most. It can be said that perhaps after his family, he does love her most and since his family is gone, she’s the default “love most” person. But the first part still fails if he didn’t let her go as I explained above.
Another way that this would’ve worked out is if widow secretly loved herself most. But then she would be awarded the soul stone and not Barton.
The other way around this is the other rule that’s flying around; that is you simply need to exchange a soul for a soul (doesn’t need to be something you love most). In this case, they should’ve just thrown red skull down.
Having said all that, I still thought this was one of the most powerful scenes in an excellent film.
I don’t think the time stream idea is correct. The Russo brothers have confirmed that they travel to alternate realities and the Ancient One was aso extremely protective of the time stone in her reality.
Think of it as the multiverse where different outcomes based on different individual actions kinda like that movie coherence. So yes, all their actions in those realities would’ve prevented certain things that had happened in our reality from happening in that reality. But that alternate reality will just go on without knowing that Tom Cruise becomes a mega star in our reality just like how in our reality we will never know a Robert Downey jr who never recovered from rehab.
Regarding the travelling through space element, they wanted to minimise the number of realities they traveled to to reduce their impact. Hence it was better for that team to travel to morag 2014 and then fly to Vormir.
I’m going to have a go at responding to some of criticisms and hopefully improve your experience with the film but if ultimately you decide you still hate it, that’s fine too.
Captain America: Steve took extra pym particles so there’s nothing stopping him from returning to his present timeline as an old man after he had lived a long fruitful life.
Hawkeye and widow: they traveled to Morag 2014 with nebula and rhodey. From there, they branched off towards Vormir using the Milano (which we saw was also shrunken for easy transport. Further we saw in gotg2 that the Milano can do space jumps so it wouldn’t have been hard to get to Vormir if they knew how). Rocket had been with them for 5 years so it isn’t completely unbelievable that he would’ve shown them how to fly the Milano in that time.
Killing baby thanos: the science of the movie doesn’t support this hypothesis. It’s clear that banner and stark understood the delicacies of time travelling in the quantum realm. That is they knew scientifically that they are travelling into alternate realities and any action in those realities will only change that reality. I guess the question then becomes why not help that reality by killing baby thanos there? The movie only shows us the events of this reality, maybe cap does warn all other realities later when he returns the stones.
Messing up realities: not exactly. Cap returns all the stones back to the moment they were taken. And it isn’t beyond the realm of belief that while returning them, he would’ve warned them about the mad titan. Also, the way the movie panned out, saving our reality also saved morag 2014’s reality because thanos no longer exists in that reality.
Hopefully I changed your mind on some of these issues.
Hm I like your theory but for the alternate reality Steve to be old, it would have to be way into the future as he would still be frozen. All things indicate that it was this Steve that had the happy life with alternate Peggy.
My theory is that it is the same Steve as the one who’s been through every mcu journey with us including endgame. When he went to return the stones, he stayed in the alternate reality to marry Peggy and stayed there. There’s no reason Howard stark from that reality couldn’t have made him a new shield. He could’ve effected all sorts of changes to history in that time line (Vietnam war, Iraq war, preventing 9/11). And then when Peggy passed away, he chose to return to his real timeline to pass his shield on to Sam. At this point, he would’ve felt content to return as the alternative reality’s Steve would be unfrozen and fit to carry on his legacy.
I completely agree with you regarding the character of Steve Rogers. I will just talk on the time travel points you raised.
Steve travels to a different reality that does not affect this reality so nothing he does there can affect the current reality. I think after he lived his life to fruition there, he simply returned to this reality.
As for preventing world events, there’s no indication that he didn’t. Given his time character and his knowledge, we could probably assume that he did all sorts of things in that second reality after marrying Peggy to steer the world to a better future. But ultimately, everything he does will only prevent events happening in that reality and does not affect the one he came from.
To this extent, Peggy’s future husband is no longer relevant. In our reality, she still marries that man and grows old with him but in the new reality Steve lives in, those events never happen. A new future is effected there.
Really? I felt the time travel in this was a lot better than most other time travel stories. Travelling to separate realities explains why they couldn’t just change the past and it allows them to avoid a lot of time travel paradoxes. That way, the current timeline can still be neat and tidy. That’s just my opinion though, I thought it was pretty tight and consistent with its in universe rules.
She is. In house of M, she created a new reality with no mutants simply by saying “no more mutants”. I think any plan the MCU has to introduce the X-Men will have to substantially involve her and a tweaking of the house of M story.
Exactly. Think more like source code. Each jump creates an alternate reality where nothing in that reality affects the present reality.
True that. And while they’re at it simply tell them “yo, big purple guy sitting in the chair is about to get off his chair in a few years to collect these shiny rocks. You might want to look into that”
I think you guys raise valid points. But as Banner explained, you go into the past, what you do affects that past’s future but your present remains the same. In other words, you create an alternate reality and you set the trajectory of that reality towards something different from your present but your present remains the same because the alternate past does not affect this reality.
This is why they couldn’t simply prevent the snap in the past because preventing the snap in an alternate reality will not change their reality. In their reality, everything remains the same. I.e. alternate universes as oppose to back to the future rules.
But that creates the problem I outlined regarding old man cap. If he lived in an alternate reality with Peggy, then he simply could not have grown old in this reality. He would exist up to the point of endgame and then simply ceases to exist at the point he travels in time.
I spoke to my wife and she theorised that one way around the loophole is that old man cap grew old in the alternate reality and used the pym particle to travel back into his own reality as an old man after Peggy died to pass the shield on to Sam.