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We went to see Psycho today on the big screen. It was awesome, truly is the way it was meant to be seen. The extra footage was there, but it was barely noticeable unless you are like us and notice every shot. We went with our 15 year old daughter and her friend who had never seen or heard of it before. He'll remember that for the rest of his life.
Levenda also goes into Manson's early life. But, his books are about evil.
I'll try to find those quotes too, as you were asking above if Manson was a killer before the Tate Labianca murders. He was severely abused as a young child, I remember reading that. He was a criminal, in trouble his entire life. And Manson was also a theta clear high level Scientologist (which is just another mind control program to make people act against their own free will). Which would explain the devotion of his mind controlled "family".
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"The perpetrator left no clues, no identifiable fingerprints, nothing. The body might have lain there for days, except that the victim’s co-worker stopped by to see why he hadn’t shown up for work that morning.
The body was found. The police were called.
The officer who responded to that call and who was the first policeman at the scene is today the Chief of Police of Ashland, Kentucky. The murder took place in 1969. He told me it remains unsolved—and the murder open on the books—to this day. The victim’s name was Darwin Scott. He was the brother of one Colonel Scott. Colonel Scott had been sued—successfully—for paternity of a boy, one “No Name Maddox,” by a girlfriend and sometime prostitute, Kathleen Maddox. No Name Maddox would soon be known by another name. Charles Manson.
Darwin Scott was Charles Manson’s uncle."
Oddly similar crime scenes, huh?
More from Levenda about Darwin Scott murder
"It was a cheap apartment in a small Appalachian town, and the sitting room was full of blood. The body had been savagely attacked, and bore nineteen separate stab wounds. The attack was so passionate, so bestial, that the murder weapon—a kitchen knife—was still in the body, pinning it to the floor.
It might have been a love affair gone terribly wrong. People from Ashland, Kentucky have been known to get emotional, even irrational, over love and the promises of love and the mistaken assumptions of love and its follies, like a town out of a country and western song. Or it might have been something else. Something more sinister. A warning, borne of a hatred so deep and a malevolence so strong that slain flesh and spilled blood were only symbols—mere tokens—of its power.
The victim was a nobody. An ex-con, once convicted of writing bad checks. A man down on his luck, working for a trucking company.
He had been stabbed in a fury of nineteen slashing, slivering strokes strokes—in a wood frame house in the middle of the night or the early hours of the morning on a side street in a small country town—and no one heard a thing... continued in next post
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"Why, then, was Marina killed? A lust killing, pure and simple? Manson getting off on savagely murdering a college coed? His schedule for the day of the kidnap of Marina Habe and her subsequent murder argues against this; he left Death Valley for one day and returned the next. That implies he went to Los Angeles with a specific purpose in mind, a task to accomplish, and returned when the deed was done.
Marina’s mother—Eloise Hardt—had looked out her window that night at 3:30 A.M. and saw a black sedan next to her daughter’s smaller, foreign car and two men, one who looked young, about twenty years old. The sedan peeled out, and when Mrs. Hardt went to investigate, her daughter was nowhere to be found. Manson had been driving a black sedan that day, and had been visiting John and Michelle Phillips of the Mamas and the Papas at a New Year’s Eve party."
Say what now? Manson was at a New Years party with Papa John Philips??? Same circles.
A quote from Levenda's Sinister Forces:
"Somehow, the search for the story behind the murder of young Marina Habe in Hollywood in 1968 led to her father, an important figure in World War II literature, to the OSS, psychological warfare operations, the Congo, Vietnam and beyond. Marina was believed to be an associate of the Manson “family,” and it is alleged that Charles Manson himself stabbed her to death. Was she selected for a particular reason, or
was it just an evil coincidence? There is some evidence to show that the Manson “family” murder of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca the day after the Tate murders was a contract killing. Indeed, much of the violence perpetrated by Manson and his followers had a basis in other criminal activity. They were purposeful. Manson does not fit the profile of a serial killer, and indeed his crimes do not fit that pattern at all. A serial killer would not have missed the slaughter at the Tate household, for instance, which Manson had done, sending his followers inside to commit the hideous knife attacks on the five unfortunate victims. If he was somehow responsible for the murder of his uncle, Darwin Scott, that can be laid to a family grudge going back to Manson’s childhood in Ashland, Kentucky.... continues in next post
From everything I have read, it is implied the Labianca's murder to be a contract killing, but I have no idea. The more I read the more questions I have.
There was also another murder of a woman named Marina Habe around the same time in 1968, possibly slain by the Manson family according to the official sources. Habe was a daughter of an intelligence officer, just like Sharon.
Manson's uncle Darwin Scott was killed around the same time 1968 in Ashland Kentucky (where Manson was born). It's UNSOLVED still to this day. It's a mysterious intricate web of connections and coincidences.
A quote about Christopher Jones from that Mathis paper "In 2007, Jones, then 66, gave an explosive interview to the DailyMail (London), claiming to have been in an ongoing affair with Sharon Tate in 1969, while she was pregnant. Not only that, but he claimed they were in love. It wasn't just an affair, he says. That is all strange enough, but it gets stranger. After Jones wrapped Ryan's Daughter in 1970, he quit acting for good and moved to. . . wait for it. . . 10050 Cielo Drive. Sharon Tate's house. That doesn't come from the Bulletin, it comes from mainstream sources, including Wikipedia, which admit it. We are told he stayed in the caretaker's house behind the main house, but that may be even weirder. In any case, he was on the property. "
Here is the article https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-478867/The-final-affair-Roman-Polanskis-murdered-wife-Sharon-Tate.html
The Peter Levenda 'Sinister Forces' books are non fiction. So is the Dave McGowan book. These are based on verifiable public facts you can confirm (not opinion or theory).
https://www.amazon.com/Nine-Sinister-Forces-Political-Witchcraft/dp/098418581X/ref=sr_1_2?crid=3NH6UA8HNP1BL&keywords=sinister+forces+levenda&qid=1564595707&s=gateway&sprefix=sinister+force%2Caps%2C371&sr=8-2
https://www.amazon.com/Weird-Scenes-Inside-Canyon-Laurel/dp/1909394122/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2NEP5JWJWVBK8&keywords=weird+scenes+inside+the+canyon&qid=1564595844&s=gateway&sprefix=weird+scenes%2Caps%2C172&sr=8-1
Much of the Miles Mathis paper is also filled verifiable facts that you have never heard of before... and you have the link already if you have the desire to read it and decide for yourself. Again, I disagree with his conclusion and his opinions are off in many places. But he makes some great points, mainly the fake or tampered crime scene and autopsy photos and how the victims intersected with the perpetrators. A quote:
"While we are looking at Manson, we should remember that Manson was tied to the victims before the murders. This evidence is usually suppressed, and the standard story is that Manson thought Terry Melcher lived at 10050 Cielo Drive. The murders are therefore sold to us as random. However, there was testimony from Layne Wooten to seeing Manson in a red Ferrari with a woman in a scarf in Topanga Canyon in July 1969. Manson was a bum without a job: how could he be driving a Ferrari? Turns out Sharon Tate owned a red Ferrari at that time. The story has been planted that the red Ferrari was Beach Boy Dennis Wilson's, but that has never been confirmed. What has been confirmed is that Sharon Tate owned one. It was found in a body shop shortly after the murders. And it was probably Abigail Folger in the car with Manson. Manson and Folger were linked through Esalen as well, since both had been there in the past few months...."
Rewriting history can be touchy for some people. I think (for my self) the concept would have worked much better if it was a fictional character that was supposed to be *like* the real Sharon but not exactly. If her destiny is different her name should have been different too. He could have done something similar with Hitler dying in the theater too (make it a German Chancellor *like* Hitler). This silly stuff sours otherwise brilliant films. It's fiction, so pick a lane. I love Tarantino movies, and my favorite ones have none of that stuff.
I read Peter Levenda's 'Sinister Forces' trilogy and both Sharon and Manson's life are peppered throughout those works. Major factors in their lives have been left out of the "official" race war silly Bugliosi narrative and motives that make no sense (which I've read, of course). Levenda's books are not actually conspiracy books at all, just about the nature of evil forces and evil places. I'll see if I can find some interesting quotes for you out of there...
Another book I highly suggested for you last year was Dave McGowan's 'Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon: Laurel Canyon, Covert Ops & the Dark Heart of the Hippie Dream' which has a intersection point with Manson and all those bands of the era. You might want to give that one a chance. Dave is great because he only give facts.
The conspiracy theory that Sharon never really died comes from Miles W. Mathis. You can read his paper here http://mileswmathis.com/tate.pdf
NOTE: I strongly disagree with his final conclusion... however, he does point out some very strange anomalies with the crime scene photos, autopsy photos, trial, and so much more. He also points out that Sharon was having an affair with Christopher Jones while she was pregnant. Also all the ties Manson had to the victims before the murders (not just thinking Melcher lived there).
But in the end, I have the same "we'll never really know" like you said.
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