Surprising and Intriguing


I was surprised at how honest Paul and John were with each other in their intimate conversations especially the one where they didn’t know they were being recorded. They were very candid about their own strengths and weaknesses and it was a lot like the heartfelt conversations spouses have. Really incredible to hear. The documentary was intriguing in the way the group made music. It definitely seemed like Paul was the energy on this album. Watching how he created “Get Back” while awaiting a late John Lennon was absolutely incredible

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Paul really got up my nose in the first episode, the bossy bitch, the surprise was how goofy and funny Lennon could be when he was in a good mood, and how close John and Paul still were.

The other surprise was that Yoko was as quiet as a mouse and would sit with the band reading newspapers or going through her mail, she was weirdly omnipresent but she really did fade into the background and not disturb anyone. AND the band played while she caterwauled, and they all seemed to be having a perfectly fine time. I've never believed that "Yoko broke up the Beatles" bull, I haven't seen the whole documentary yet but so far her presence is pretty far down their list of obvious problems.

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I agree completely O. Every assumption I had about the Let it Be recording history was obliterated in this documentary. I’m on episode 3 and have yet to see Paul and John short tempered or bickering. John has been light hearted and completely supportive of Paul’s songs even when Paul is over the top with perfectionism. Yoko did not seem a nuisance at all and I never noticed any friction amongst the Beatles and family members who came to watch. There were some very cool parts too like when Paul and John make a little fun of their experience with the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and George gets a bent out of shape and they become contrite with him. Or when they would play their old songs warming up for other stuff. I definitely saw the seeds of the four evolving into their individual paths but I did not see anyone acting like divorce was imminent. I guess things really went south during the subsequent recording of the Abbey Road album.

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Yeah, there is conflict, but they're talking everything out like intelligent and reasonable people, or at least they are after Episode 1, where Paul learned he had to keep everything polite and reasonable or else. Now I suspect the off-camera negotiations with George were *not* quite so reasonable, especially since they said that Yoko had been "...speaking for John" and that had to have pissed George off big-time, but that wasn't filmed. But really, for the most part they're gletting along very well, and frankly, I've worked in places with much worse atmospheres of simmering resentment.

Now John and Yoko's relationship seems to be as weird as fuck, but very little of the weirdness seems to be coming from Yoko (aside from "speaking for John" when George had left the band). I mean if I knew someone who brought their SO to work and had them sit quietly at their side for hours and hours, I'd assume the person who was working was an abusive psycho, but Lennon is coming across as goofy and charming for the most part. He was as needy as all hell and if he wanted a woman who'd just sit there silently for hours until he felt like paying a little attention to her, well, like they say, "Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it".

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> I've worked in places with much worse atmospheres of simmering resentment.

That's good point, but these guys were not working class stiffs, they were highly productive and sensitive artists, and I think it takes a higher standard. To me all of them seemed to be very caring and sensitive of each other.

Lennon was kind of an abusive psycho ... which is also why I don't think this is exactly a truly honest portrayal - but it was 50 years ago and it's all gone. These guys are pretty close to the best humanity has to offer ... and they were nowhere near perfect, but they were pretty good.

But ... how many people did Yoko know or was she able to hang with in the UK? That is probably why she was there. It was funny to see here every single day in all black, and then one day she is wearing all white.

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Regarding Yoko sitting silently at John's side... normally, if I saw someone who was working and interacting with colleagues had a spouse sitting silently at their side, doing nothing and apparently just waiting for a few minutes of attention every few hours, I'd assume that the working spouse was a controlling psycho who freaked out if their spouse ever did anything independently or was ever out of sight for over a minute.

But I don't think that was the case with John and Yoko, for instance, it's fairly common for musicians working in a studio to have SO's come and sit and watch, not getting a lot of attention, just being there and listening, and paying attention to their famous spouse (AND keeping an eye out for other women who might be making a move on him). But John and Yoko took that kind of behavior to a weird level, they "wanted to be together" and went around being so joined at the hip that Yoko basically abandoned her career as an artist. I mean for decades now the fans have been saying that Yoko took over his life, but in this documentary it looks a lot more like he took over hers.

What can I say, they had a very strange and intense relationship, a real folie au deux at times, who the hell knows what was going on in their heads.

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> I mean for decades now the fans have been saying that Yoko took over his life, but in this documentary it looks a lot more like he took over hers.

It's right there in the lyrics to "It's Getting Better"

I used to be cruel to my woman
I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved
Man, I was mean but I'm changing my scene
And I'm doing the best that I can (fool, you fool)

I've read enough about the two of them to be more confused now than I was, but if I had to guess I'd say John lived in an egotistical fantasy world and it was Yoko who kept him grounded. An odd attractions between attraction of opposites and similarities.

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I don't know that I even want to understand their relationship!

It's one of those partnerships where you say "Thank goodness those two found each other", because nobody else on Earth could put up with either for long.

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> I don't know that I even want to understand their relationship!

Hahaha, yeah, well who does. I've been inundated with YT video links lately, and almost afraid to watch them because I will just get Beatle and Get Back recommends for months - but there is some interesting stuff out there.

There are two things I read in the last week that stuck with me.
1) Lennon. McCartney and Starkey are Irish names, Harrison is the only English name among them.
2) Paul is the one who grew up with a "normal", loving and supportive family life. He had both parents and a huge family and tons of relatives. I think it really shows and though I used to like John the best, Paul was probably the smartest - creatively, practically, socially and business-wise.

Paul was the Beatle who took the other Beatles to court over their management - and he was right. Allen Klein, the manager that John convinced everyone to go with was a criminal and ended up really messing up their lives and situations. That was John's doing. They don't even touch on that in the movie, and in fact try to dump on George for having a little tantrum and leaving for a couple days.

I look back on this doc-series, and I don't think it was very good - it gets lower in my estimation ever day I think about it. All the music clips were so short, and as soon as they would get going - whoop! segue to another unsatisfying choppy clip. They did not mention any of the history, so it's kind of manipulative just to keep things on that superficial positive attitude.

Still it was nice and fun to see, and I am glad they made it. I think they are still hiding a lot of stuff ... or, maybe hiding is the wrong word, maybe just NOT showing or telling everything - and of course that is their right.

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Re the normal family life... Paul's mother died when he was 14, which was shattering, but at least Paul knew what a normal happy family was like. George was actually the one who grew up with a perfectly normal working-class family, with both parents and no major drama.

Anyway re the documentary, I thought it was fine for what it was, which was purely a glimpse at the band in one point in their dramatic history, something of interest to moderate to serious fans. We can admire their skills and charm (I could hardly believe how charming and funny Lennon could be in his unguarded moments), but we can also see the seeds of doom starting to sprout. George's open unhappiness with his role in the band and Ringo's sadness, Yoko's bizarre omnipresence, and Paul's attempts to manage the band mostly going wrong.

That was the weird thing, we got to see that for all his drive and ambition, Paul showed management skills of a hamster in this film, he had absolutely NO idea that just telling his bandmates what he wanted done wouldn't make them do what he wanted! And holy shit, after 2-3 years of Yoko being a problem, how the hell was he stupid enough to think that he could just bring in HIS girlfriend's family to take over everything? I assume he got a heck of a lot better at business matters over his life, because McCartney is a hell of a bright guy and I think he'd have been successful in any field, but at that point... he was still getting a lot wrong and it was obviously going to lead to problems.

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The George thing was funny. When it turns out he has 40 songs and then on thinks about it at the average George rate that would be 20 years of material - forgetting anything new.

They should have done a George-style "All Things Must Pass" album with one disk per Beatle - but I wonder if any of them would have had the patience to play on the others' disk. Plus it would have sold above the average Beatles fans' price point.

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Well, it would have taken semi-solo albums from all the others to make a whole Ringo disk sell...

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I think for Paul there was a problem with the management. I don't think he cared for Allen Klein at all. When John was talking about Klein to me he seems so naive and innocent, a sheep for the fleecing, and I think they get into financial troubles at some point and had to sell their own catalog ... which Michael Jackson bought.

Artists all over are just treated like crap and ripped off all the time - it really does seem to happen all the time.

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It's pretty clear that Yoko did not break up the Beatles, or Linda Eastman. They had slaved and worked themselves every moment of 10 years to take themselves to the top of the music industry in a way that probably will never happen again in history. They talked about it - they lived together and they talked about and thought about only music, and they all knew exactly what each other were thinking and feeling.

When they started to grow up and yearn for a life, it just became a tougher struggle for them ... work, ALMOST. ;-)

It was a great doc-series, but I have to say it was a hard watch for me. Very repetitive and tedious, and they never let any song really cut loose, but they did show a lot of how the Beatles worked together, but not really the process, just the hot parts.

I just got really tired of hearing the same bits over and over again. That wore on me.

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