You Would Think Jesus Himself Was Shot - Selena: The Series (2020) Discussion

[–] ILJtheFirst (2139) 4 years ago

She's still a superstar in Mexico. Try forgetting about Michael Jackson...not gonna happen.

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[–] John Kyle (685) 4 years ago

Michael Jackson:

In the music business world wide for 42 years
Sold out concerts worldwide for that time
Second most selling album in the world
84 million albums sold worldwide
30 top ten hits
etc., etc., etc.

Compared to Selena pulling in 1,000 in a night club in Bryan Texas

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[–] telmarine (430) 4 years ago

I think your missing the context of her popularity within the industry. The Latin music market is only a fraction of the size of the US music market, due to the US’s population size and also due to the greater availability ($$) of Americans being able to use disposable income on music. The Latin equivalent of a gold album is 50,000 units, and platinum is 100,000 units - compared to 500,00 for gold in the US. Selena has far surpassed these figures with her last album “Amor Prohibido” and has sold about 2.5 million units, which rivals English albums and far outsizes the Latin music market. Back in the 1990’s it was not common for a Spanish album to be selling so much that it was charting in the main Billboard charts with English language albums. Even now, it’s still uncommon and a badge of honor for a Latin artist to chart on the main Billboard charts. Is it Michael Jackson’s sales? No, but context matters here.

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[–] Heisenberg (6730) 4 years ago

Don't even mention him in the same sentence as her.
It's only that all these services like netflix churn out too much shit every month they are running out of material.

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[–] John Kyle (685) 4 years ago

They are dragging bottom for this one

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[–] telmarine (430) 4 years ago

Selena’s impact is felt the most in the Latin music world. To lose a chart topping artist in their prime is huge, but Selena made many Latinos be proud of their heritage. That’s the real impact. And to have that taken away is the real tragedy. Many Latinos can recall what they were doing when they found out Selena died. She’s a cultural icon. And no, she will never be as popular as Michael Jackson or Elvis, but Selena was big in Latin America and her tragic death made her a legend.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Of course the humor in that is you have all these fan flocking to a singer that couldn't even speak Spanish. In a sense the fans were scammed.

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[–] telmarine (430) 4 years ago

Selena learned Spanish, which will probably be reflected in season 2. That’s the beauty of it; in an age where many younger Hispanics are ashamed of their background, Selena embraced it.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Did she really learn it? I was under the impression that her dad just trained her like a parrot when it came to Spanish so all she was doing was parroting lyric but didn't even really know what the hell she was saying.

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[–] telmarine (430) 4 years ago

Towards the later years, she was doing full interviews in Spanish with the Spanish media and even acted in a telenovela. There are various interviews on YouTube.

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[–] cv1cv (530) 4 years ago

Yes, she was fluent. Spanish wasn't her first language, but she was surrounded by it growing up, so it wasn't like taking Spanish 101 in college. And again you're missing the point. Yes, Spanish is an important part of Latin culture, but it's not the only thing. She was immersed in Latin culture from the moment of her birth. And her ability to move between cultures got her to the verge of becoming a major crossover artist before she was murdered. The series (and the film) sanitize her image; Selena wasn't a saint, but she was incredibly talented and worked very hard for her success. There are some documentaries that portray her accurately if anyone has a bit of intellectual curiosity to understand her better. But as usual on these moviechat threads, the hater trolls who are incapable of seeing beyond their tiny world crawl out from under their rocks and grace us with their "opinions" based on narrow-mindedness, ignorance, and half-truths.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

The point is she was pressed to embrace the white American culture but when her dad realized it would be easier to enter the texmex market he used her like a performing parrot. She was just as used and abused as any other child performer in America and now the sanitizing is going on in full force.

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[–] cv1cv (530) 4 years ago

Most child performers are used and abused. I didn't say she wasn't pushed and abused by Abraham, but that doesn't mean that he "trained her like a parrot". Someone doesn't break through barriers the way she did by being trained like a parrot. Selena wanted success in English as much or more than in Latin music. Her father knew how to maneuver through the music industry, but he wasn't the only reason for Selena's success. She deepened her Latin roots because she was part of that culture. Sanitizing the image almost always happens when a star dies young. In Selena's case, it's unfortunate because it detracts from her genuine talent and motivation. The sanitizing is largely aimed at the English audience and the younger people who weren't around when she was a superstar among Latin music fans. Her image didn't need sanitizing in Latin culture at the time of her death because she had already achieved more than any previous Tejano performer. If you had claimed that she was "trained like a parrot" to Tejano fans in 1994, you would have been laughed at.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Simply because her fans don't want to believe she was a parrot doesn't mean she wasn't. I remember an interview with her back in the early 90's and she flat out said she didn't know spanish when she started singing in state fairs around Texas and that she just memorized the lyrics. That means she was a trained parrot in the beginning whether fans like it or not.

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[–] cv1cv (530) 4 years ago

Let me make sure I understand you. You are saying that anyone who learns a language after a few years of childhood is "trained to parrot". Try telling that to the multilingual interpreters at the United Nations, or to the current pope (or many popes for that matter), or to the other world leaders who are fluent in several languages, or to anyone who majors in a foreign language in college. The list could go on ad nauseam. Your comments have devolved from inaccuracies into absurdity, so I think you and I are finished with this nonsense.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

I'm saying she was a parrot because her dad didn't bother to even try to teach her the language she was just taught by her dad to PARROT the lyrics if you too stupid to understand the difference between that and actually learning the language then I might as well be talking to a stump

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[–] cv1cv (530) 4 years ago

you have all these fan flocking to a singer that couldn't even speak Spanish. In a sense the fans were scammed

Learn a little about her life so that you don't look like a complete moron in any more of your comments. By the time fans were "flocking", she was fluent in Spanish. But how can we expect you to know that because you certainly know nothing about her history and even less about Latin culture and Tejano music. Apparently you think she was a superstar when she was 12 years old. She wasn't an adult when she recorded her first studio album, and she was fluent in Spanish at that time.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

You moron she had fans before she made an album, the whole fucking reason she was picked up by a record company was that she had already gotten significant number of fans. Those fans were suckered into flocking to a singer that couldn't speak their language.

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[–] cv1cv (530) 4 years ago

Of course she was picked by the record company because she had fans. By the time the fans were "flocking" (as you so elegantly stated it), she was fluent in Spanish. But you don't have enough sense to know the difference between "parroting" a language and speaking a language. Your dilemma now is: do you stop commenting when there is only a possibility that you look like a complete idiot because you know very little about her, or do you make another comment and remove all doubt? Let's see if you have enough brains to make the right decision.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

The only people that think she was fluent when she first had fan flocking to her are moronic fans like yourself. Why you can't accept that you were conned into listening to her is beyond me. Hell I don't know why so many people bothered to listen to her shit to begin with, if she had never been killed she would have already vanished from the music world and been a distant memory.

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[–] cv1cv (530) 4 years ago

Have you even had a high school Spanish course? If you did you didn't learn anything. Have you heard Selena in a conversation in Spanish when she was 18? If you say you have you are either a liar or you have dementia. You clearly are more stupid than even I could imagine. Gatea debajo de tu roca de nuevo culo.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

How could anyone have heard her giving an interview in Spanish at 18 when she was still just a trained parrot?

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[–] cv1cv (530) 4 years ago

I was in the same room with her during an interview when she was 18. Lots of Spanish speakers were there. The conversation went back and forth for at least ten minutes. No one had any difficulty understanding her. But a tonto follar like you wouldn't know whether she was speaking Spanish or Martian.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

blah blah blah blah blah. Now tell us all how you fucked her too. So tired of the bullshit from over the delusional fans that knew her so well.

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[–] cv1cv (530) 4 years ago

How well articulated that comment was! Now we're seeing the tasteless, pathetic bigot really coming out in your comments. The truth emerges when someone reaches the bottom of the barrel. Keep going. Let's see if you can go any lower. I don't think so, but then again I never thought you could get this low.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

All I have done is show you for the ignorant count you are. My previous comment had nothing that could be construed as bigoted yet you throw out the claim of bigot... can we get a racist and homophobe so you can get a triple crown ya stupid cunt.

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[–] cv1cv (530) 4 years ago

More sophisticated language, not even spelled correctly. You are a dangerous person. Oh to say you are racist would insult other racists. You're not just the typical racist, but the most dangerous kind of racist. You're the kind of person who says, "I'm not racist. I have black friends", then behind closed doors you use racial slurs and make bigoted comments. A person who privately thinks immigrant children should be taken from their parents and kept in cages. A person who thinks someone whose first language isn't English doesn't belong here. Yes, you're dangerous, and you're a troll I will not feed any more here. This is my last comment to you because vile miscreants like you aren't worth the cost of the electricity I use to post these comments. And no doubt you will have to make at least one more comment here because you find it too unbearable to think someone that you consider lower in social status has actually pulled back the guise to show a little of what you really are. Arde con la escoria en el infierno.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

You proved my point, you are just an ignorant cunt.

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[–] whoanelly (1592) 4 years ago

Scammed? I disagree.

So what if she wasn’t a fluent Spanish speaker? That hardly disqualifies her from being a Latina icon. Her parents’ families came to the US during the period when immigrants were expected to absolutely assimilate, especially language. (“Speak English!”) This experience is true for Immigrants from Asia, Europe, Africa, and even French-speaking Canadians from Quebec. (Her family might have grown up speaking Spanglish at hime. Many latinos did. Just like how Quebecois who moved to the US grew up speaking Franglais at home.) Assimilation was expected in 20th C. America. And that has hardly changed in the 21st c.

Celine Dion started singing in English long before she could understand or speak it.

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[–] johnmiller (4011) 4 years ago

Dying always boosts record sales! :-)

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[–] R_Kane (15828) 4 years ago

Good career move.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Maybe some artist should die more often and over and over to boost sales.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Meh, she’s no Shakira

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[–] cv1cv (530) 4 years ago

There wouldn't be a Shakira if Selena hadn't paved the way for her.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Not really they both began releasing albums very close to each other and Shakira had passed her in popularity with her album Piez Descalzos.

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[–] cv1cv (530) 4 years ago

Yes really. Shakira hadn't found as much success in Latin music when Selena began releasing hits and winning awards. Shakira obviously had more success in English, but it was after Selena's death. Their styles are different, so in some ways the comparison is meaningless.

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[–] Stratego (31085) a year ago

Definitely.

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