It was really nice to see the nods to original costuming, and other comic minutiae, in this episode. But I was a little miffed at the missed opportunity, and by extension, the implicit posture the show takes. It's one that's common to comic-book movies, to wit: "the source material is pretty silly."
This was a GREAT opportunity to showcase the comic-accurate visuals in a way that was impressive. Far too often, we hear "nah, couldn't put what's on the page onscreen. . .it would look too silly!" What people who say this don't understand is that they're really saying, "It would be *too hard* to do, without making it look silly!"
Really?
I can remember when this was the knock against doing "comic book movies" AT ALL. The effects/visuals would be too difficult/impossible to pull off. Fast forward a couple decades, and that's been proven to be an absurd stance.
Why not do the same for the costumes? It would be an Incredible tribute to Kirby, Heck, Ditko, Buscema, et al.
There are several versions of the Scarlet Witch's costume. Which one should the Disney+ series show fidelity to and why would she be wearing her outfit? Will she have only one outfit that she wears all day long, out to breakfast, who does her laundry?
It wouldn't look silly if done appropriately and even comic books over time took characters out of their "Work" clothes as it really made no sense for characters to be at work 100% of the time. Batman and Superman had secret identities which allowed each to have a need to be seen out of their comic accurate and elaborate costumes.
Wassup, Surf. Glad you're surviving these crazy times.
You seem to have missed the point: There is a "classic" version of Wanda's (and Vision's, and Pietro's) costume, which the show is (obviously) spoofing. Just about every Marvel character has worn multiple iterations of their outfits; just about always, it's been some version of that essential, identifying one.
This is what the show was spoofing, in this episode. With tongue firmly in cheek.
Your comments about wearing her "work clothes" "all the time" similarly miss the point. I'm talking about this particular instance, when they had a chance to do a Great version of her comics-accurate costume. NOT saying she should wear it all the time.
My point was, "what if they had, instead, taken this opportunity seriously?" Would've liked to have seen that on screen. That's all.
It's clear that, instead, they've succumbed to the prevailing "we're ever so slightly embarrassed by the source material" attitude that permeates so much of these productions. Whether it's Luke Cage saying "I look like a damn fool," or Cyke saying "What would you prefer? Yellow spandex?" or countless other indications, it's an unfortunate (and obvious) attitude.
That's all.
I can remember being one of the few geeks at SDCC (BEFORE it became a mega-event) and sitting around with other geeks and wondering if the big studios would ever put Real money behind a "comic book" movie, with the intent of doing it Right. ("How awesome would that be???" "I know, right!") Flash forward some decades, and here we are. Well, *almost*. There's still that pesky stigma. That "oh, but that wouldn't work on screen" attitude. Baffling, because it's Just Not True. Because I was there again in Exhibit Hall H, when they played "Batman: Dead End," and I was one of the voices raised in a roaring cheer when Corolla proved you *could* do it Right. And this was 17 years ago, w/a FRACTION of the budget of the big guys.
It is an informative read for how Stan Lee viewed Marvel's creation existing in the faux "Real" world.
Sure, Spider-Man wears his recognizable comic book costume in the movies but movie Wolverine has never worn the yellow-and-blue costume and cowl he wears in the comics. Nor does Wanda wear the bathing suit and headpiece of the Scarlet Witch in the show, with exception of the recent Halloween episode.
"If our heroes were to live in the real world, then let them dress like real people," Lee wrote.
Real or not, it seems to be working in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
My all-time favorite comic was not Spider-Man but the Fantastic Four. Outside of the costumes I will forever be bent out of shape that the FF aren't going to be the Nexus for some of the most consequential characters, events and narratives for the MCU.
The FF are scientists, adventurers and problem-solvers. I will trade every faithful costume brought to the silver-screen for giving them their rightfully earned place in the Comic-Book to Movie Zeitgeist.
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I realize this is blasphemy to some, but I'm not all that concerned with Stan's opinion on how Marvel Comics should translate to the screen. At another of those way-in-the-past comic conventions (this one in NY, as I fuzzily recall), he was on a panel w/a bunch of other creators. Dozens of us filed in and sat expectantly, and listened as they described their vision(s) for how to 'one day' bring comic books to the big screen. I'll never forget when it came Stan's turn to speak. . .at some point, a bunch of us turned and looked at each other, and winced.
(I still got his autograph.)
Anyway.
As far as *this* discussion goes, let's guide it (gently) back to what I was saying, which is (again) being missed:
1) There's a prevailing yet subtle stance WITHIN THESE MOVIES that comic books are "silly," and
2) That's obvious, and evident in shows like this latest episode of Wandavision, and
3) The idea that you couldn't make what's on the printed page look good is, flatly, wrong.
Your comments about wearing her "work clothes" "all the time" similarly miss the point. I'm talking about this particular instance, when they had a chance to do a Great version of her comics-accurate costume. NOT saying she should wear it all the time.
My point was, "what if they had, instead, taken this opportunity seriously?" Would've liked to have seen that on screen. That's all.
It's clear that, instead, they've succumbed to the prevailing "we're ever so slightly embarrassed by the source material" attitude that permeates so much of these productions. Whether it's Luke Cage saying "I look like a damn fool," or Cyke saying "What would you prefer? Yellow spandex?" or countless other indications, it's an unfortunate (and obvious) attitude.
That's all.
Premature Denoucement-ation? Goliard you got EXACTLY what you wanted and I will claim "Victory is Mine"!! In Stewie's voice because Wanda's job has been defined as THE Scarlet Witch and she appears in her Work Clothes! 🤣🤣😂
I can't really see Luke Cage in his ridiculous first costume as his official "Work Clothes" even if the show were done in a period piece, ala early 70's.
I am also skittish about the FF having huge fours on their Chest. 🤔 They work better than a Luke Cage because Reed understood branding as they were NOT Superheroes but scientist and adventurers. So far Marvel has been perfect in getting almost all of their characters into more than appropriate costuming or uniforms. I am not fond of calling their outfits "Costumes" because it represents a type of dismissiveness of the character. Just an opinion.
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Yup yup. And, to put a bow on it, in the final episode they actually DID go ahead and pay glorious homage to her outfit, as she appears in the comics. Well done, Marvel.
There are a couple of scenes in the episodes of WandaVision that maybe captured that feeling of joy. I am glad the Show-Runners and writers didn't give in to the Instant Gratification and held onto that reveal until almost the very end of the series.
Cap hadn't uttered "Avengers Assemble" until it had the most impact. When he did in Endgame it was seismic.
Wanda's final costume reveal after the image was reflected in her eyes and after Agatha stated that Wanda was "The Scarlet Witch" was just epic by just stating her name. The reveal with Chaos energy pulsating and flickering all around her final reveal actually made me emotional. The swelling theme music just added to the iconography of Wanda Maximoff as the Scarlet Witch.
There was a time when some posters decried the lack of themes for MCU characters as well as Marvel's individual characters. Only a few themes enhance and augment the character in ways that enhance the character. I can't unhear Wanda's Scarlet Witch image without that swelling music now.
As a kid the strongest character themes for me were:
The Green Hornet... (It had that hyperkinetic frenzy and I can't un-see Cato (Bruce Lee))
James Bond.. (Perfect Spy music)
And now Marvel gives us..
Scarlett Witch....(Power, Sexiness and Uncertainty) Yeah my thoughts are informed by the name Chaos
I was always irritated that the director of Captain America: The First Avenger said he had to work around the problem that the classic costume was the flag.
He seemed to have missed the point.
The Spiderman films, and Superman the Movie, proved that you CAN do classic costumes and have them work.
Not intended to be opposite to you but I gave Marvel major, major accolades in their decision and actions in bringing Captain America to the Big Screen in a way that visually worked for me. The American Flag and even Uncle Sam has never been these icons and images of Freedom, Hope and Democracy accepted universally (meaning across the world). Jingoism, Imperialism, and a fair amount of hypocrisy is also wrapped into the imagery and iconography of Uncle Sam and the American flag.
I don't personally believe that they missed the point. I think they understood what the MCU version of Steve Rogers AND that suit, understood clearly. There are people that support, make and live the ideals and morals that make the American Flag and his SHIELD powerful. It isn't the outfit or costume.
In order to make that SHIELD, the FLAG and the costume work the "Good Man" had to live it and breathe it beyond the missteps and mistakes that the country actually took. Plus you couldn't have a costumed comic book hero supposedly fighting in WWII diminishing the efforts of all of the real soldiers who fought and died. Let's not promote jingoism which is how many Non-USA viewers "might" view the Character and just not decide to watch the movie. "That might be the role that John Walker has to Burden himself with. YIKES!" 🙈🙉🙊
Marvel and Joe Johnston pulled it off along with Marketing that initial release as Captain America: The First Avenger as an expert way to get over the problem. That first real big screen introduction of Captain America wasn't viewed as a great movie nor was it received as a big hit. The box office was only $361 Million worldwide. The problem was the perception of the Flag both rightfully and wrongfully.
Marvel devoted an entire movie just to introduce a present day version of the character (as a Man out of Time) in WWII.
It wasn't the Flag. It isn't the SHIELD. It is NOT the costume. It's Steve Rogers. Of all the good things that Whedon did with the first Avengers film, the horrendous way he used Steve and Captain America was for me unforgiveable.