Couple of questions here re things that I may have missed / didn't make sense:-
1. Wasn't the whole plan flawed? He went to quite some lengths to describe to Marta exactly what to do. However surely - especially as a whodunit novelist himself - he would have "known" that the Morphine overdose would have shown up in the autopsy rendering the whole plan worthless?
2. What happened with the Surveillance tape? It started smoldering a bit when she ejected it - was that actually what was causing it to smolder, i.e. her pushing eject whilst it was still playing? And did that completely knacker the tape? I think it was next mentioned by the detectives just saying it was destroyed - did I miss anything else around that?
i agree on point 1. unless there's some detail i've missed, his plan would have fallen apart if blood work was done in his autopsy.
perhaps harlan hoped that his death was such an obvious suicide that no blood work would be done. i certainly know almost nothing about such matters, but i think blood is generally tested in suicide cases to determine levels of intoxication, no? if that is indeed the case, that's something he would likely know as a crime writer.
regarding the tape: while they are walking through the grounds after taking the tape, marta is shown holding a magnet next it. the security guard had stated earlier that he erases the tapes via magnets, so she followed his lead & blanked the tape by the same method.
Of course the reality of using magnets to erase a video tape is a lot different than what they portrayed. You need an extremely powerful magnetic field if you are going to accomplish the destruction of a tape unless you have the time and ability to run the tape itself against a magnet. Holding a strong magnet against a tape itself won't work. I remember trying this out with all sorts of magnets when I was in college and VHS tapes were still abundant. We used very powerful magnets that would jack up a color monitor from a couple of feet away, but it did nothing to the video tape even if we set the tape on top of the magnet for hours.
that seemed unlikely to me as well. if i remember correctly, she was shown holding some flimsy little fridge magnet or something much like that, & that struck me as being incredibly unlikely to be able to clear a tape. if that were the case, everyone's films would have been constantly erased in the 80s and 90s every time you walked through a kitchen.
i suppose it's fine to wave something like that away as a bit of movie logic, but it's definitely a plot point that doesn't quite hold up to scrutiny.
i believe a slightly similar technique was used to destroy tapes in the de palma film 'blow out.'
I don't remember blow out well enough to recall... I do know that when I was monkeying with trying to erase tapes that our goal was to make a tape so that it could only be viewed one time and that it would be erased by a magnet inside the VHS tape. Even when we placed a strong magnet inside the cassette and had it where it would physically touch the tape as it went was spooled inside the cassette it didn't work. At best we would manage to get the playback to have some static but in the end we ended up using a sharp piece of metal that would slice the center of the tape as the most viable way to make a cassette a single destruct after a single viewing... of course that would only stop a casually viewer from rewatching the tape if someone had wanted to they would have only needed to open the cassette and splice the tape... But the bottom line was magnets weren't the answer and you needed an insanely strong magnetic field to destroy the data on the tapes.
Thank you. I had totally missed that with Martha and the magnet! I knew I must have missed something there...
But yes, re the first question that did seem odd to me. I guess he did mention something about having forgotten something but that she would figure it out so it's kind of covered by the script, although it is unlikely he'd make that big a mistake.
that's a new term for me, so thank you for adding a bit to my catalogue of probably not completely useful but still kinda fun & interesting information!
3. I have been pumping gas in my car for over 10 years. Yet a couple of years ago I almost absent mindedly put diesel in my tank -- thankfully they make it so it doesn't fit. This is a roundabout way of asking if it is reasonable to assume that a nurse with less than 10 years of experience can tell those two medications apart by feel.
If the bottles are different sizes, or the pills are different shapes or dramatically different sizes then anyone could tell one from the other by feel... but it would also require a person to be thinking about what they were doing. It is entirely possible that a person is going on autopilot where they don't really pay attention to what they are doing in which case they can miss obvious differences in things that they would have normally noticed.
1. He was protecting the maid from his grandson. He already suspected that his grandson switched the bottles. He knew that the goal was to pin the death on the maid. Immediately he mentioned that switching the bottles would be a good murder attempt, the maid mentions that 5 minutes is required for full symptoms to appear and 10 minutes required for death. He experienced no symptoms in 6 minutes.
No, you would know why he slashed his throat if you paid attention to his depressive dialogue. It was his final trick (along with the will), an act that was intended to have an impact on his family.
Point No. 1 could be a plothole. But Harlan made sure that he was seen alive by his son walking down the stairs (which actually was Marta), so that would take 10 minutes after Marta left (i.e. it would surely take more than ten minutes for Marta to pack her bag & leave, say goodbye to Walt, enter the car, drive through the main gate, park the car, walk back to the house, climb up the wall panels, enter the secret window, get dressed into Harlan's gown and walk down the stairs) wouldn't it ?
So Walt would have testified that Harlan was seen on stairs almost 10 minutes after Marta left, which negates the possibility of Marta injecting him the Morphine overdose because otherwise he would've been dead or incapable to walk by the time he came to that staircase.
So it could mean that Harlan was poisoned by someone else and then that someone or Harlan himself slit his throat.
This ofcourse works only if we have to presume that it took Marta more than 10 minutes from the moment she left the house to get on the stairs with Harlan's nightgown on.
I don't think that the first point can definitely be taken as a pothole - As I said above in another reply he does say something about having forgotten something, so, although it'd be unlikely to be something as obvious as not considering his blood would be tested, it is kind of covered.
Seems unlikely though that he would have gone to the trouble of covering off that someone else may have poisoned him though then still slit his own throat which at that juncture would be pointless.
Seems unlikely though that he would have gone to the trouble of covering off that someone else may have poisoned him though then still slit his own throat which at that juncture would be pointless.
Maybe Harlan wanted to project that he took Morphine by himself first as a painkiller and then slit his throat so he couldn't feel the pain. Morphine is a powerful painkiller and is also used in surgeries. It works by blocking pain signals from travelling along the nerves to the brain. So, it would be easy to slit his throat then. Harlan thought that after his death, people would assume that Harlan didn't know that Morphine overdose itself can kill a person and there was no need to slit the throat.
Just an opinion, but still a bit messy and somewhat a minor plothole indeed. reply share