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Realistic Depiction of Battle?


I had read about the Battle of Agincourt (after I played it in a war computer game) so I knew about the mud, muck, marsh, whatever the issue was with the terrain. After watching it here, if accurate, it makes sense (especially at the end when the Dauphin can't even stand.)

Refreshing to see after the garbage in Game of Thrones, Gladiator, etc.

Makes me want to see an accurate depiction of a Crusades battle with heavily armored knights and horses struggling in the desert heat against unarmored Muslims and camels (another computer game I played.)


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Muslims certainly wore armor, just not heavy plate, which the crusaders didn't wear either. Just mail and leather. It wouldn't be camels, it would be horses. There would be an absurd amount of archers on both sides. Only knights that could afford it would wear plate and their visors, if they had them, would be up so they could see. visors are best for jousting.
There would be much more archery than most movies and siege engines being used. Kingdom of Heaven, though not perfect, is pretty good as analogy of that time period. Don't write a paper based on it, but it's worth watching.

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I think the English had a much easier time of it than depicted. I'm using the word easier loosely here as it was doubtless the worst day of everyone concerned's life. But it was over in one day and the French took a massive hammering despite overwhelming odds.
Almost 6,000 Frenchmen lost their lives during the Battle of Agincourt, while English deaths amounted to just over 400.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Agincourt

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Well said. Also, the battlefield was reversed: the English had the high ground, and the French had to climb the rise to get to them. Also, the archers rained death on the French constantly. The Bodkin Point arrows of the British longbow couldn't penetrate the armor of the mounted French knights (except on the arms) because armor had progressed to a higher state, but the lightly armored horses took lots of arrows, throwing their riders, who were trapped in the mud, and exacerbated by wounded horses running all over the field trampling and running down many French. The bulk of Henry's forces were longbowmen (around 6000) behind pointed stakes until they were out of arrows- they shot from and then took the field from the flanks, and lightly armored, could move easier and wreak havoc on the struggling French.

The French Men-At-Arms (the foot soldiers) suffered terribly from the English longbows- their armor wasn't really up to the standards of the mounted knights, and thousands died. The English lost only a few high-ranking people: Duke of York, Earl of Suffolk and several more.

Even if the conservative estimated of 15,000 French on the field, they lost 6,000: Henry had about 9000 and lost around 400-500.

This movie's battle was very Hollywood. The Dauphin was not in command of the battle- that was Constable of France Charles d'Albret, who died on the field.

Lastly, no mention was made of the boys who remained behind at the wagons- the French mounted an attack that killed all of the young boys. That and the tremendous number of prisoners is why Henry ordered the prisoners killed There were too many to guard, and he feared they would start to pick up weapons from the field and start fighting again. Fortunately, only a few were killed because the French surrendered.

Personally, I prefer Kenneth Brannagh's Henry V movie to this- it portrays the longbow winning the day, even if Shakespeare grossly underrated the British dead.

..Joe

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