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No drop in quality after Connor's wedding.


The kids can pull the cart alone.

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SPOILER alert:





I know it's the job of these writers to subvert audience expectations, but I was afraid this would happen when they killed off Logan's character on episode 3. And, sure enough, episodes 4 -6 have become progressively more boring. I don't know that the remaining cast has the interest level for me to stay tuned. And I'd been wondering how many other viewers felt the same way...

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Looks like they are going to try to cling on to the empire. But maybe Shiv and Tom make it out together with Tom as US CEO, sidelining Roman and Kendall. Wish they'd use Karl, Geri and Frank a lot more as shameless power grabbers.

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Would if they could, Bushbobo. As soon as there is an opportunity for one of them (or in combination) to bounce the children out, she/he/they will take it.

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They had one with the "hidden" will but they turned out to be cowardly dogs.

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I think they all saw it as giving the heirs enough rope. If they agreed that it was an underline and not a cross-out, Kendall would be given the helm, and Frank/Geri/Carl figured he'd implode and pave the way for one of them to take over. If Sioban or Roman question the underline vs. cross-out issue, that creates doubt and resentment among the siblings. As it happened, Sioban took up the mantle on that one. Any discord between Logan's kids can only mean good things for the three of them. I think they saw the holographic will as more advantageous than not. Plus, they ingratiate themselves to the siblings by actually presenting it to them (as opposed to letting it blow out the window or flush down the toilet.) They wanted Logan's fake will to be executed as though it were a legally enforceable document. It is not legally enforceable, so the only way it could be enforced was by showing it to the kids with the hope it will be followed out of the childrens' moral obligations to their father's last wishes.

It's also possible isn't it that Frank forged the will himself. We don't actually see him discover the will in Logan's papers, so we? He would have had ample time to forge that one page dicument (or hire a forger to do so) between Logan's death and the date it was 'discovered.' He then shows it to Carl and Geri because that's what they would expect him to do if he truly discovered a holographic will of Logan's. They each read it and implied within their dismissals of the idea of 'letting it blow away,' is their opportunistic desire that the 'will' be carried out as it was written. The co-CEO result was better than even Frank had envisioned!

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The co-CEO result was better than even Frank had envisioned!


I'm thinking Shiv's going to TEAM UP with the SWEDE and the 2 of them will FIRE the 2 present CO-CEO's (Especially after Roman fired Joy & Geri ... and then told Kendall that he didn't want him doing the LIVING PLUS presentation ... which the Swede also called Land Cruises).

Plus Kendal was also making all kinds of unreasonable demands about creating a house with clouds overnight for his LIVING PLUS presentation and he also refused to take NO for an answer when objections were expressed.

So their behavior will most likely also result in making it pretty easy for the Swede & Shiv to shove them out of the way and get rid of them so that they can take control and run things themselves.

Since Tom's also the one who told Logan last season about the revolt they planned against their father (who also helped Tom hire high powered divorce attorneys), Shiv's probably also only pretending to care about Tom as a way to seek revenge for his betrayal.

Which is probably also the reason why she'll end up in a relationship with Lucas who will also help her hire someone to screw over Tom when she divorces him.

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I really, really hope they don't give Lucas that much power and that much screen time. I cringe every time he comes on the screen. He's a paper lion as was revealed in the last episode. When Shiv confronted him on his India sales, he showed his weakness by dodging the question with "I hate talking about this," or some such sniveling, childish response.

I was actually thinking maybe this was an elaborate set-up on the parts of Ebba and Lucas to make them think that Gojo was in bad shape when it really wasn't. Like maybe the 'fight' between Ebba and Lucas was staged and she intentionally went onto the balcony hoping Kendall and Roman would 'comfort' her so she could dole out some disinformation. But then I was thinking, how would Lucas gain from that lie. If there is no 'India' problem, and Roman and Kendall are enticed into buying Gojo, wouldn't he get less money if it sold at a bargain basement price vs. the true value assuming no actual problem with India sales?

No, my hope was that as boring as last episode was, it served to educate all three Roys that Lucas is a phony, they must do everything they can to prevent him from buying Waystar Royco (and ATN), and if they buy Gojo, fine, as long as it rids the show of Lucas as the main villain so that he could be replaced by a more compelling one (since the producers/writers in their 'infinite' wisdom killed off the best TV villain since JR Ewing, Logan Roy.)

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If you'd ever seen the SWEDE actor's performance in another HBO SERIES called "BIG LITTLE LIES," then you'd know how EVIL he can be (imo even worse that JR or Logan). Cas he plays the part of a WIFE BEATER who terrifies NICOLE KIDMAN to the point where he's finally murdered. The shower scene with NICOLE was especially BRUTAL.

Plus his 2 young TWIN SONS (who are only about 6 yrs old) also BEAT UP another female student in their class due to the influence of watching the way their father treated their mother.

And he was also an effective VILLIAN in still another HBO show called "TRUE BLOOD," and in another film called THE EAST:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z54r8jvGj8

THE EAST: Official Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRX7w75wIFk

THE EAST: Official HD Trailer #2

In THE EAST, Sarah Moss (Brit Marling) is a brilliant operative for an elite private intelligence firm whose top objective is to ruthlessly protect the interests of their A-list corporate clientele. She is assigned to go undercover to infiltrate an anarchist collective known for executing covert attacks upon major corporations. Living amongst them in an effort to get closer to their members, Sarah finds herself unexpectedly torn between two worlds as she starts to fall in love with the group's charismatic leader, finding her life and her priorities irrevocably changed.


In other words, he runs a TERRORIST CULT where he not only seduces the girl who's sent spy on it, but he also seduces the daughter of a man who owns a corporation into helping him terrorize her own father. You should check it out sometime. He's much better at what he does than LOGAN or JR were at what they did (probably cas he's also much better looking).

Anyhow, also looks like I was completely WRONG about Shiv hooking up with him, but it's also VERY ODD how EBBA was so willing to SPILL the BEANS about INDIA (which also makes one suspect he's LIED to Shiv about sending the BLOOD & then got EBBA to LIE to her brothers about INDIA).

And that might also be cas LOGAN's put LUKAS up to what he's doing due to the way we also heard LOGAN telling his kids how badly he needed the MERGER. So perhaps LOGAN FAKES his death while he's supposedly on his way to visit Lukas, and what's happening now is LOGAN telling Lukas what to do and say to his kids as a way to prove them UNFIT to run the company.

Then maybe LOGAN can confess that he's still alive, have the BOARD get rid of his INCOMPETENT kids, and then proceed to MERGE his company with the other one the way that he wanted to do all along but couldn't cas of them???

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The guys bringing the 3rd Reich come to be has made this more drama than comedy.
The childish bumbling by supposed "political pro" Shioban is cringe AF.

The show as a whole has become boring and the dialog has been ridiculously flanderized but not in an amusing way.

Fuck this shit, I'm walking out, I'll read how it ends on wikipedia some day.

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Did you see the PREVIEWS for NEXT WEEK where ROMAN sounds like he's completely OUT of his MIND???

I'm thinking after SHIV reveals what her brothers have been up to ... ROMAN's going to end up like NORMA DESMOND did in SUNSET BLVD ... where she says she's "READY FOR HER CLOSE UP" as she's being ARRESTED for the MURDER of the WRITER (cas she's so crazy that she thinks she's making a film at the time of her arrest).

In other words, since that FUNERAL also looked like some kind of a CORONATION, Roman's probably also going to assume that it's a CEREMONY for HIM to be CROWNED KIND of the COMPANY (perhaps after he's also killed KENDAL)???

Then after the COPS show up to arrest him, he'll probably also be just as delusional as NORMA was, and also tell them that he's also "READY for HIS CLOSE UP???"

Watch Roman in the PREVIEW CLIPS for next week again!!!

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8kxu9q

QUOTE: "See ROMAN the SHOWMAN LIGHT UP THE SKY!!!???"



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Maybe you're angry because this show has give the most honest portrayal of a Republican ever in Roman.

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Came to say something along those lines.

This season has been on fire 🔥

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Well he indeed IS a sexually frustrated cuck with irrational fears and trust issues, so I guess you are right about that one.

The show is back on track and found its footing again.

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The guys bringing the 3rd Reich come to be has made this more drama than comedy.
The childish bumbling by supposed "political pro" Shioban is cringe AF.


Thought you might like to see this quote from a Forbes article that suggests MATSSON misleads SHIV when he told her he likes her idea about using an American to be the CEO:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2023/05/21/succession-season-4-episode-9-review-church-and-state-is-a-television-masterpiece/?sh=142ce73b2c28

Mattson calls Shiv after leaving the repast and tells her that the deal is a go with Mencken and that he thinks he can make a US CEO work (though he doesn’t tell her it’s her, she assumes it is—I wouldn’t be so sure).


So imagine her RAGE if she discovers that she's been DUPED by the SWEDE (the same way as her brothers got TRICKED by Mencken). Maybe she'll tell the PRESS about Lukas sending his FROZEN BLOOD to EBBA???

On the other hand, how surprised should she be after Lukas told her TWICE now that she has NO EXPERIENCE for the job as CEO???


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> Thought you might like to see this quote from a Forbes article that suggests MATSSON misleads SHIV when he told her he likes her idea about using an American to be the CEO:

I kept thinking during that phone call scene that the camera was going to pull back from Mattson and Kendall was in the car with him.

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Nah, it's cousin Gregg all the way.

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Do you mean you think Greg ends up being the CEO???

Does Greg still have those documents that incriminate Logan from back in S1??? I'm thinking the reason why TOM practically FORCED Greg to snort that COKE this season is so that he'd have something incriminating he could use on Greg (like if he secretly recorded Greg snorting the coke)???

Plus Greg's Grandfather EWAN also donated ALL of Greg's $250 MILLION inheritance to GREENPEACE after he told Greg to stop working for Logan and Greg refused.

And there's also that other recording of him having sex with the woman with the BIG PURSE inside of Logan's place.

Maybe that woman also had a recording device inside of that purse? Wasn't she also going around asking lots of questions before they finally booted her out of Logan's house???

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There's so many different ways that this show could end that it makes one's head spin.

Have we seen any indication that Kendal is on friendly terms with Matsson?

Is it possible Kendal's been in CAHOOTS with the SWEDE all along, and he's the one who tricks Shiv into working with Lukas against him, so that he could later use that behavior as a way to eliminate any chance of the BOARD letting Shiv be the CEO???

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I do feel like Logan was offed too soon, but I guess it had to happen sometime per succession.

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