Looks like we have something big here guys...
Talk about a perfect storm brewing.! Hang on guys...who knows just how high this rocket may blast?
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Predict it then queen so we can all laugh at you after its run.
shareJohn Campea is reporting that BoxOffice.com is predicting $70 - $95 Million and he believes that $100 Million opening week is indeed possible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INlogYxfPWI
https://www.boxofficepro.com/long-range-forecast-black-and-blue-plus-more-it-chapter-two-hustlers-and-other-updates/
BoxOffice.com has their 3-Day Long range forecast for Joker currently at $81 Million for an opening but with a $185 Million domestic.
So what is it that you are so excitedly saying, "who knows how high the so called Joker rocket will blast"?
I don't think people are going to go to this movie as much as it is predicted. Hope I am wrong.
shareThe numbers that are being thrown out aren't that large and for a fall release are quite attainable. Speaking for myself though I won't be one of those attending The Joker in theaters as it doesn't interest me in the slightest.
But even without me The Joker will do quite well at the box office.
This is the typical sociopolitical, over dramatic, over acted, overreacted Oscar bait movie they put in theaters every single year for award contention during the last quarter such year. The only thing WB is doing here is putting the name 'Joker' on it in order to ride the wave of Comic Book Movies domination who is currently flowing in Hollywood these days, thus trying to get some extra money from fanboys.
As someone said, this kind of dark turns and criminal behaviors I can find in real life without the need to pay to see it just because it is the 'Joker'... I am out...
This is the typical sociopolitical, over dramatic, over acted, overreacted Oscar bait movie they put in theaters every single year for award contention during the last quarter such year. The only thing WB is doing here is putting the name 'Joker' on it in order to ride the wave of Comic Book Movies domination who is currently flowing in Hollywood these days, thus trying to get some extra money from fanboys.Kudos to you for that. In an odd way this whole JP and The Joker reminds me of the Oscar nominations for Denzel Washington (Training Day) and Halley Berry (Monsters Ball) and how good actors have to play and breathe life into damaged people in order to get Oscar recognition. The actors, the role and the characters do make you feel some kind of emotion which is excellent when it is pulled off but what is it about the story that is compelling to want to watch the journey and the performance? The Joker isn't really legitimizing Comic Book Movies as The Joker is only a Comic Book movie because Gotham and Arkham are name dropped.
I'll take Daniel Day Lewis in My Left Foot over JP's The Joker as a compelling piece of cinema even if the character is basically unlikeable. (I know I haven't seen the movie or the performance also.) RDJ should have gotten an Oscar for Tropic Thunder playing a dude playing a dude in character for an entire film. RDJ lost out to Heath Ledger. Why? Nostalgia death or award in memoriam? No disrespect intended to HL as he was great. share
Well I'm not going!
I go to all the comic book movies not directed by Zack Snyder, but I'm giving this one a miss.
What's keeping you away?
I don't see every comic book movie, but this one looks like a solid film, genre aside.
I see enough assholes in real life, I dont need to pay to see another one.
But how often do you get the chance to see, "The Making Of An Asshole"?
Uh, every day in real life?
I work in the helping professions, I see people exposed to horrific stressors. Somehow they all find better ways to cope than turning to crime, so I wouldnt have any sympathy for a budding Joker. Pass.
Why so serious?
Scratch that. I totally understand your sentiment and your stance on this.
But..
This movie is probably more a reflection of a cinema created stylized society and a social commentary that so many conservatives abhor.
And even so I too will still pass on it.
May I ask why you're passing, and what might change your mind?
I'm vaguely curious.
See what I said, already hate for this film has started. People like watered down comic book movies and this movie will suffer because of that.
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Of the movies that I have seen JP in these 4 Movies, "The Master", "Her", "Two Lovers" and "Gladiator" all show me he has the ability to give his all as a tortured, manipulated, malevolent individual to various degrees. His ability to immerse himself into this type of character for me leads into more to it being about him and less as to being about acting. Kind of like Stark and RDJ.
Second The Joker is a non-believable character who has no single origin but has been written to be whatever the writer wants him to be. There is no truth there and there is no gravitas there for this character. He really isn't a reflection of or a cause/consequence of the society around him or his lot in life. It is all made up to normalize, humanize and familiarize this iteration for whatever reason the producers decided.
I'm just not interested as the whole endeavor lacks legitimacy to me. I've never liked nor accepted the character of the Joker, not even Heath Ledger's take on him. The whole Clown Prince of Chaos meant little of anything to me.
I'll watch it when it is released to home media but there is no attraction for me to watch this film on the large screen.
From your older post it sounds like you have absolutely no interest at all.
https://moviechat.org/tt7286456/Joker/5d2439626a04f70615f5ec58/Todd-Phillips-Expects-Joker-Backlash-Because-Film-Doesnt-Follow-Anything-From-Comics
As you made sure to make so clear with so many words back then, you "Don't Care For the Film or the Character"
So, why would you ever watch it on any screen at any time? Like the film itself, what could possibly be the point?
And I would think disinterest would show as an absence of posts here rather than comments that come off as trying way too hard.
Hi DMAC8. Still advocating for QueenFanUSA?
Otter asked me and of course I am being consistent. Am I not?
So, why would you ever watch it on any screen at any time? Like the film itself, what could possibly be the point?Because I am NOT close minded, neither did I say that I "Hated" the film, the character or the actor. I also said the following:
And I would think disinterest would show as an absence of posts here rather than comments that come off as trying way too hard.
Wow, it would be so cool to find out what makes the joker "tick"! Nope. For me it is a huge big shoulder shrug. I get it, I understand it, I see why some are excited but for me it is a big, "I Don't Care For the Film or the Character".So is there some inconsistency or hypocrisy in my stance? Coming full circle it is still a film and I watch all types of films but as all people I choose when, where, how and why I spend my dollars. Again, I didn't say I hated or disliked the film and I am acutely aware that others are excited about it. I'm not telling anyone to agree with me, to not watch the film and I sure am not advocating a boycott.
Otter asked me and so I replied. I happened to share the POV of another poster and I chimed in. Sharing is caring. 😎👍😎 share
You and the gang are still following Queen around like puppies, huh? So sad. I know, I know -- you're "victims". "Kudos" for fighting for truth, justice, and the Disney way!
No one can say they hate the film without seeing it, silly. But they can say they have no interest in seeing it like you emphatically did. So I was just curious why, after going so overboard in that old reply, most of which had nothing to do with what the OP brought up (backlash over comic inconsistency), you'd now say you'd see it at all. Sounds exactly like a film you'd surely skip. It's not about "type" unless you mean "the type of film I'm not interested in seeing but actually I am". If I felt that way about a specific character, a premise, and an actor's approach as you describe, I wouldn't bother. Other than a few bucks, what suddenly makes that content worthy of your time? All of what you said still applies, no? Like you said, "you can't pretend to be interested" -- so why watch? Watching requires some level of interest. Maybe you were exaggerating for some other reason? Hmmm... Nothing says "I care" as much as trying too hard to convince others that you don't. The boldface and repetition kinda gave it away back then. It's like shouting, "I'M NOT UPSET!!"
[–] dmac8 (2084) 15 minutes agoGee, now I'm part of a gang? When did THIS happen?! No need to follow QueenfanUSA anywhere but when we cross paths I do respond just as you take it upon yourself to reply to me. Difference is I respond back in kind. It's called a conversation, a dialog and really doesn't warrant the type of silly invective that some throw out.
You and the gang are still following Queen around like puppies, huh? So sad. I know, I know -- you're "victims". "Kudos" for fighting for truth, justice, and the Disney way!
Puppies, sadness, Victimization? You'll have to clarify this whole Truth, Justice and the Disney way for me and the, ahem gang. By the by it is QueenFanUSA that states he is for Disney, by Disney and in the Name of Disney their biggest fan. 🤣🤣 I'm just saying.
No one can say they hate the film without seeing it, silly.Sure they can. "Can" is ability and everyone is able to say that, and they are able to say why they said it and have a reason for saying it. Does it make sense? That is up to you and the person to debate and to come to some understanding.
But they can say they have no interest in seeing it like you emphatically did. So I was just curious why, after going so overboard in that old reply, most of which had nothing to do with what the OP brought up (backlash over comic inconsistency), you'd now say you'd see it at all.And I appreciate you asking and hopefully I satisfied your curiosity and explained the conditions of when, where, why and how I might watch The Joker.
Sounds exactly like a film you'd surely skip. It's not about "type" unless you mean "the type of film I'm not interested in seeing but actually I am".People can be mercurial in that way or they can be nuanced, and to be fair they need not be absolute, emphatic nor even intransigent.
If I felt that way about a specific character, a premise, and an actor's approach as you describe, I wouldn't bother. Other than a few bucks, what suddenly makes that content worthy of your time?That's the beauty of you being you and me being me. You're not me but I am sharing my thoughts on the subject so that you are able to see my POV. I've never required you to understand nor agree to my POV but just to hear my POV.
All of what you said still applies, no? Like you said, "you can't pretend to be interested" -- so why watch? Watching requires some level of interest.I have watched many a film I had no interest in and have gleaned something.
1. Gee, I'll never do THAT again.
2. Wonder if this was Oscar worthy?
3. Wash rinse repeat.
I do indeed watch movies.
Maybe you were exaggerating for some other reason?No need to exaggerate. No reason to hyperventilate. No need to Over-Share either. I'm being pretty normal in my expression of my opinion on The Joker. I am indeed fascinated in your second go at critiquing something that I have typed. It is oddly, satisfying.
Hmmm... Nothing says "I care" as much as trying too hard to convince others that you don't.Nope! That reminds me of a quote from Mike Myers, "You're putting the wrong Emphasis on the wrong Syllable"! If I had used all caps wouldn't I have been YELLING to get a point across. I can't control how you perceive it but it wasn't because I care about the Joker, or have an agenda against The Joker or that you-thinks that I doth protest too much.
The boldface and repetition kinda gave it away back then. It's like shouting, "I'M NOT UPSET!!"You're implying a bit of the, "Why do posters go to boards for something that they don't like and then type volumes about why they don't like that something"? Look deep inside yourself do you actually see that in my responses or statements? There are tons of films that I have no interest in that I will eventually watch at my leisure. It will be on my time and at my own compulsion.
There is no "Confirmation Bias" here. I bolded for emphasis and that you find redundant. Good call. I guess. 😎
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Not seeing a movie because the subject is damaged goods who succumb to their demons probably cancels out half of the classic films ever made.
shareYou spent two full days taking me on pertaining to billbrown saying he had "confirmed reports" on a "special deal" and you produced ZILCH.
Now this?
I actually used to have a high opinion of you.
Sad.
[–] QueenFanUSA (2141) an hour agoBox Office Predictions for the Joker outside your pay grade or something? I wasn't "taking you on about BillBrown" I was taking you to task over SLOP2 and your penchant for projecting Boffo boxoffice when no such success ever happens. I also provided you links and sources to sites that would corroborate BillBrown's percentage take for Domestic and International being greater than the 50/50 and 25/40 that are bandied about.
Jesus Norrinrad. You spent two full days taking me on pertaining to billbrown saying he had "confirmed reports" on a "special deal" and you produced ZILCH.
Now this?
I actually used to have a high opinion of you.
Sad.
I've never really had to produce anything for you. I'm not required to produce anything for you nor are you so entitled to get anything from me.
I'm the last poster in the world you should try and antagonize even mildly. I'm quite civil with you and I instruct you to remain the same towards me. Deal? share
You "corroborated" nothing.
Once again...billbrown adheres to "50/50 and 25/40".!
LOL.
He said that Disney got a "special deal"(his exact words)for TLK2019(specifically) with 65% for domestic and 55% international(his exact numbers) and that there are "confirmed reports"(his exact words) of this "special deal".
QueenFanUSA this is the Joker board remember, NOT the "You want to prove BillBrown wrong board".
Additionally, if I am NOT mistaken, your world unraveled trying vainly to defend your TLK2019 is an Underperformer and a Disappointment position.
BillBrown continues to use YOUR definition of Box Office profitability to undercut films that you say are profitable. If you think that is him agreeing and adhering with you on 50/50 and 25/40 then you are misguided. But hey I COULD be wrong about that and you'll have to get that understanding from the horse's mouth himself.
I "corroborated" exactly what I said I corroborated.
Summary: TLK2019 is not Underperforming nor a disappointment EXCEPT in your opinion, which you are entitled to have, and NO ONE is going to change your mind by having a simple honest discussion. 😎
If he doesn't adhere to 50/50 and 25/40 and only uses that to "undercut" the performance of "my films", then why does he call the 65%/55% a "special deal" for TLK2019 specically?
Hmmmm?
Learn when to fold 'em, Norrinrad.
[–] QueenFanUSA (2143) 7 minutes agoYou're not playing cards with anyone. It's STILL the Joker board. Deal with it.
If he doesn't adhere to 50/50 and 25/40 and only uses that to "undercut" the performance of "my films", then why does he call the 65%/55% a "special deal" for TLK2019 specically?
Hmmmm?
Learn when to fold 'em, Norrinrad.
There is NOTHING that I have to concede to you or with you. Your beef, your dispute is with BillBrown. Deal with it. He holds YOU to a standard that you fail to honor with Disney films. Deal with it. You struggle with not being able to prove yourself right nor being able to prove him wrong. Deal with it.
No one is trying to "Find Waldo" for you. Deal with it.
How much Bank will The Joker make according to your "Gut"? Deal with that question. Or do you choose to "Fold"? As you often do. You'll be gone from this board as you'll get "bored", according to your own words. You really lack, "conviction". Deal with it.
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If you haven't noticed, I created this thread and you joined it demanding answers to questions that you want answered. YOU are the one frothing at the mouth and following ME around.
I gave an OPINION that TLK2019 underperformed domestically and , as you said, I'm "entitled to it". Billbrown stated as "confirmed" fact that Disney got a "special deal"(his exact words) of 65/55 for TLJ2019 SPECIFICALLY. He said there are "confirmed reports" of this "special deal" He didn't provide an iota of proof of this nor did you.
[–] QueenFanUSA (2144) 2 minutes agoThe Joker. The Joker. Focus QueenFanUSA, I responded about The Joker. T H E J O K E R. Show me anywhere on this board me demanding you answer questions that I want answered? I'll wait...…………
If you haven't noticed, I created this thread and you joined it demanding answers to questions that you want answered.
YOU are the one frothing at the mouth and following ME around.I followed you? Better go back and check my posting history. This wasn't my first posting on The Joker.
I don't have to prove or disprove anything with an iota of anything. Deal with it. It still remains THE JOKER board. Deal With it. You ready to "Commit" to a Box office amount that represents "your gut" or some other skillset that you use to make your predictions? or are you just going to "fold' and skitter away per your usual when called to account for your "genius" or your "hyperbole"? share
I gave an OPINION that TLK2019 underperformed domestically and , as you said, I'm "entitled to it". Billbrown stated as "confirmed" fact that Disney got a "special deal"(his exact words) of 65/55 for TLJ2019 SPECIFICALLY. He said there are "confirmed reports" of this "special deal" He didn't provide an iota of proof of this nor did you.
"I followed you? Better go back and check my posting history. This wasn't my first posting on The Joker."
This is MY THREAD...yes on The Joker BOARD. The two aren't one and the same. You then ask...
"Show me anywhere on this board me demanding you answer questions that I want answered? I'll wait...…………"
Ok...here goes...this is just from THIS THREAD from the last few hours and is only the tip of the iceberg of your constant badgering of me...
"So what is it that you are so excitedly saying, "who knows how high the so called Joker rocket will blast"?"
and then
"How much Bank will The Joker make according to your "Gut"? Deal with that question."
and of course
"You ready to "Commit" to a Box office amount that represents "your gut" or some other skillset that you use to make your predictions?"
[–] QueenFanUSA (2147) a minute agoYou really need to timestamp those responses QueenFanUSA as they are AFTER the fact of you complaining about me demanding questions be answered of SLOP2 and TLK2019. AFTER the fact. My question ONLY applied to The Joker. Focus. Focus. Focus. You threw out BillBrown. As I said, "You lack conviction" and you avoid any accountability for your own statements.
"I followed you? Better go back and check my posting history. This wasn't my first posting on The Joker."
This is MY THREAD...yes on The Joker BOARD. The two aren't one and the same. You then ask...
"Show me anywhere on this board me demanding you answer questions that I want answered? I'll wait...…………"
Ok...here goes...this is just from THIS THREAD from the last few hours and is only the tip of the iceberg of your constant badgering of me...
You declare yourself an expert and a bit of a savant on Box Office, and remember your hobby is following Box Office and you love all things Disney. 😂 Yet when asked a question about your ahem, "Opinions" or your facts or your statements you bristle, you get passive aggressive, you perform the "Fight" or "Flight" maneuver with a full on flight.
Dude, it's a conversation why are you so conflicted in discussing what is your hobby and favorite pastime?
Remember this is The Joker board and The Joker thread based on Box Office, "How High will this Rocket blast"? Did I assume wrong?
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"You declare yourself an expert and a bit of a savant on Box Office, "
LOL...entirely untrue.
"and remember your hobby is following Box Office and you love all things Disney."
That IS true. I am a lay-person not involved in the industry that has fun following it.
Also, I have specified time and time again that TLK2019 is a great success that performed magnificently internationally but I am of the opinion that it underperformed DOMESTICALLY.
[–] QueenFanUSA (2145) 23 minutes agoFocus. Focus. Focus. What does that have to do with how high The Joker rocket is going to blast? Just how much are you speculating here? Let's say it has a $55 Million dollar budget? We cool with that? P&A of let's say $60 Million? What are you pegging the WB execs expecting for The Joker that WONT be a disappointment? Go ahead and add in the Oscar buzz as a multiplier also.
Also, I have specified time and time again that TLK2019 is a great success that performed magnificently internationally but I am of the opinion that it underperformed DOMESTICALLY.
What will be the Box Office altimeter reading for that rocket blast called The Joker?
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I don't know yet. Let's wait until it gets closer to release day and we have better tracking. The point of this thread is the building buzz around it critically, and the ongoing popularity of the character creating a "perfect storm" as it were. The budget has been reported to be in the middle-range for a CBM so an opening above 150 million would be stellar. Am I predicting that? Not yet...but I do see this easily opening over 100 million regardless of current tracking being lower.
And before you ask..."Yes, it's my GUT."!
Are you talking about your next blatantly inaccurate box-office prediction?
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