Underage blowjob - Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood (2019) Discussion

[–] SamNoyoun (5854) 3 years ago

Just finished reading the novelization(an enjoyable read,) and I'm gonna go with #2...

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[–] Heisenberg (6730) 3 years ago

Really? What happens there?

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[–] SamNoyoun (5854) 3 years ago

The scene plays out pretty much like in the movie, but because it's told from his perspective, you get the sense that he's genuinely concerned about the fact that she's underage...

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[–] Heisenberg (6730) 3 years ago

That is interesting.
Who wrote it?

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[–] SamNoyoun (5854) 3 years ago

QT

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[–] Heisenberg (6730) 3 years ago

Well then it is the official answer meant by the author.

So what does Cliff think exactly?
I'm asking mainly to understand if there is any hint against Polanski, since he is concerned about her age.

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[–] SamNoyoun (5854) 3 years ago

Nothing like that, which is historically accurate as Polanski's problems in that department were still eight years in the future...

Cliff's response to Pussycat(who has just removed her pants)

"What I'm too old to do is go to jail for poontang. Prison has tried to get me my whole life. But it ain't ever got me yet. But the day is does get me, it ain't gonna be because of you. No offense."

It's a good read, definitely worth it for any fan of the movie...

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[–] Heisenberg (6730) 3 years ago

Cliff doesn't have to know about Polanski's rape charge to comment on it.
I didn't mean specifically naming Polanski, just a direct comment by QT about his situation.
Which it kinda sounds like he could be hinting at that:
Polanski had a troubled life since he was a kid, and he survived many trials that tried to get him his whole life.
But he did finally get gotten exactly because of underage poontang.
So, differently to the swinging director (who in OUATIH is clearly enjoying his celebrity life and looks a bit corrupted already), Cliff stays on the straight path and never falls off of it. Certainly, he does not fall for that.

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[–] SamNoyoun (5854) 3 years ago

Interesting, I hadn't thought of that, but it's certainly a valid interpretation...

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[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

Or Brad Pitt is lame.

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[–] Heisenberg (6730) 3 years ago

I think his character was the opposite of lame.

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[–] SamNoyoun (5854) 3 years ago

I agree, Cliff is the epitome of awesomeness!

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[–] zaq123 (2389) 3 years ago

The hairy armpits turned him off.

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[–] Heisenberg (6730) 3 years ago

Ahah, good one!

I was strongly turned off by her mannerisms.
She kept licking her own face, it looked so stupid and artificial. And that whole spunky dance she performs before getting in the car was revoltingly forced. I would have driven away after such phoney show.

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[–] zaq123 (2389) 3 years ago

Have you seen the commercial she's in? She's kissing some guy who looks so much like her he could be her twin brother.

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[–] Rolltide (964) 2 years ago

99% of men would not have turned her down.

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[–] Wuchak (8742) 2 years ago

More accurately, 99% of ignoble dumb phukks would not have turned her down.

Men like Cliff, however, have no problem turning her down.

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[–] Rolltide (964) 2 years ago

You are aware that Cliff is not a real person right? And the fictional character Cliff uses straight legalistic logic not morality for turning her down.

The girl playing the role was 25 at the time. And yes most men if they could not get caught by their wife or girlfriends or whomever would have said hell yes. She is beautiful.

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[–] Heisenberg (6730) 2 years ago

Cliff is as real as you and me.
You think he turns her down because of legal reasons.
I think he is not fine with the whole deal, including moral aspects, and legal ones are just an excuse.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. She looks ok, but her attitude, style and sluttyness make her ugly to me.
I would turn her down too.

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[–] Wuchak (8742) 2 years ago

Well said.

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[–] Mrmojo4700 (21485) 2 years ago

I wanted to add other scenes where we are reminded of the “real man” persona of the Cliff Booth character in contrast to Polanski.

There is a very short scene where Polanski walks out to his pool with a cocktail seeming very irritated and throws a ball to get his small dog to leave him alone. I think at that moment we are, like the underage hitchhiker scene, supposed to compare the two.

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[–] Rolltide (964) 2 years ago

So we are reading the mind of a fictional character in a film?

His own reasons for not accepting her offer was he did not want to see jail. He makes no moral argument and he could have dropped her off at the ranch but got out with her.

Stop making moral judgements about movie characters. QT cannot depict one of his leading characters having sex with an under age girl.

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[–] stickman38 (3349) 2 years ago

Technically speaking, you can depict an underage character sleeping with an older man or woman as long as the underage character is not actually underage, it's legal. QT could have shot a sex scene between the two of'em.

In fact, plenty of movies out there have a scene like this. But you are correct, Cliff gives no moral reasons, just legal reasons.

And like I said in my reply from page two of this thread, I do find it kind of funny that he acted like he wanted to possibly get it on with her when he saw her on the street corner but when it came right down to it, he turned her down.

And yeah, I doubt very many guys would kick her out of bed even if she is underage.

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[–] Martoto (5040) 2 years ago

Because the wife killer Cliff turns out to be the nominal hero of the movie, some people are desperate to describe other things that Cliff does as virtuous and affirmation of their "real man" credentials.

Cliff just doesn't want to go to jail. Again. But people seeking a daddy figure are clutching at straws to paint him as their role model figure.

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[–] redban (6212) 9 months ago

The actress who played that role was in her 20s and looked it. So most men would have said yes

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[–] TearofLys (2644) 2 years ago

Number two of course. Girls like her are called jailbait for a reason. She doesn't have to report you. Anyone that sees you doing untoward with an underage girl can report you and you won't be get a few days in jail. You will serious prison time and even when you get out, will have that "sex offender" tag for the rest of your life. Don't

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[–] Heisenberg (6730) 2 years ago

Ok but in that period of time, in his car, with that girl, and just a bj...come on. What are the real chances of anybody reporting it?
Or anybody believing said report and actuality charging him? Over a hippie chick? Who was probably fucking everybody everywhere?

Polanski was in trouble for drugging and wining and fucking the girl, and her mom reporting it.
A bj in a car sounds (and is) like something SHE did of her own free will, and I wonder if back then was even considered rape sex.

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[–] Bloodworth79 (5687) 2 years ago

I think he is old enough to have seen people get busted for such things. He is too experienced to fall for such games.

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[–] redban (6212) 9 months ago

I think it was meant to make Pitt’s character seem more heroic and upstanding, and it further demonstrates the depravity of the manson cult

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[–] e3e34ifj (1912) 3 months ago

"3-He's gay"

So not being a pedo makes you gay? What the actual fuck is wrong with dudes nowadays. You'd fuck a teen to prove you're straight? Damn bro.

Obviously the correct answer is 2, and a 7th option about him being, well, not a pedo.

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[–] SamNoyoun (5854) 3 months ago

*ephebo

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[–] Heisenberg (6730) 3 months ago

So the possibility of him not wanting a blowjob from her because he is gay is, somehow for you, impossible or wrong?

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[–] e3e34ifj (1912) 3 months ago

You think the reason a grown man would reject a blowjob from a minor isn't because it's disgusting or immoral, but because he's secretly gay??? Are you saying you'd be willing to commit pedophilia to prove you're straight?

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[–] Heisenberg (6730) 3 months ago

You think a reason a grown man would reject a blowjob from a girl isn't because he's gay, but you have to make up a bunch of assumptions because for you such a possibility is impossible or wrong???

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[–] e3e34ifj (1912) 3 months ago

You appear to have a very bizzare way of thinking. If a 15-year-old girl approached a man and asked for sex, and the man said "no, that's illegal and I'd rather not go to prison," my first thought would NOT be "oh, he's just secretly gay. If he were straight, he would've said yes." That appears to be what you're arguing for. Strange.

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[–] stickman38 (3349) 3 months ago

I think heisenberg is just saying it's a "possibility". Besides that, it wouldn't be pedophilia if he accepted her offer. But yeah, Cliff seems to decline it for legal reasons.

If anyone has the DVD maybe they cen go to this scene and listen to the audio commentary and find out what the director/writer was thinking about this particular scene.

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[–] e3e34ifj (1912) 3 months ago

I think it's pedophilia even if it's consensual on the minor's end because legally they can't differentiate between consent and lack thereof. The possibility of him rejecting her advance because he's secretly gay is probably a 0.01% chance of it being the reason.

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[–] stickman38 (3349) 3 months ago

Technically speaking, pedophilia is the attraction to kids that haven't even started puberty. The teen girl hitting on Cliff is way beyond puberty. In fact, do they ever say how old she is? I don't remember if they did.

But I do agree, not likely he's gay. Still, if anyone has the DVD, maybe they can get more info on this scene.

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[–] SamNoyoun (5854) 3 months ago

*ephebophilia

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[–] SamNoyoun (5854) 3 months ago

My reply to the op three years ago:

[–] SamNoyoun (5219) 3 years ago
Just finished reading the novelization(an enjoyable read,) and I'm gonna go with #2...

[–] Heisenberg (6627) 3 years ago
Really? What happens there?

[–] SamNoyoun (5219) 3 years ago
The scene plays out pretty much like in the movie, but because it's told from his perspective, you get the sense that he's genuinely concerned about the fact that she's underage...

[–] Heisenberg (6627) 3 years ago
That is interesting.
Who wrote it?

[–] SamNoyoun (5219) 3 years ago
QT

[–] Heisenberg (6627) 3 years ago
Well then it is the official answer meant by the author.

So what does Cliff think exactly?
I'm asking mainly to understand if there is any hint against Polanski, since he is concerned about her age.

[–] SamNoyoun (5219) 3 years ago
Nothing like that, which is historically accurate as Polanski's problems in that department were still eight years in the future...

Cliff's response to Pussycat(who has just removed her pants)

"What I'm too old to do is go to jail for poontang. Prison has tried to get me my whole life. But it ain't ever got me yet. But the day is does get me, it ain't gonna be because of you. No offense."

It's a good read, definitely worth it for any fan of the movie...

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[–] stickman38 (3349) 3 months ago

Sam, I'm not sure that answers the question. I mean, since the novelization plays out pretty much just like the movie. However, I do think #2 is the correct answer. But again, you have to factor in the time period this takes place in. I am not sure what the sex laws were in 1969. I would think they were a lot more lenient than they are today. Getting a bj from a teen girl was probably not even illegal back then. Tarantino probably didn't take the time to find out what the laws were back then when he wrote the script/novelization.

At the very least, there might not have been any laws written on the topic. I suppose we would have to ask someone that lived in that decade. It was a little before my time...

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