I was expecting a Dennis Wilson or Terry Melcher based character
anyone else?
shareMaybe Tarantino didn't know about their involvement with the Mansons. He always only skims the surface when he works with a historical story. I picture Tarantino doing his research for this by watching the old 70s Helter Skelter miniseries and a few Youtube videos on 60s LA.
shareYou obviously don't know much about Tarantino if you believe that haha
shareHmm. Maybe it's you who doesn't know much about history...
shareNo, it's the fact that you think Tarantino doesn't do any research when it comes to his projects. You really think he "didn't know" about Dennis Wilson and Terry Melcher's connection to Charles Manson even though he clearly mentions them in the film?
Have you even seen the movie?
my memory's already faded (i don't retain things very well)....
but we did get a scene of manson going to the tate/polanski house & asking if melcher was there, right?
i can't recall if wilson was ever mentioned.
i just watched another manson family film called charlie says over the weekend, & i think some of the details from that film, where wilson & melcher were definitely mentioned & represented, have bled together with once upon... in my head.
Yeah, they are both mentioned in the same scene. I don't remember the exact dialogue, but Manson shows up and when Jay Sebring asks if he can help him, Manson says something along the lines of "Is this the Terry Melcher residence? I'm a friend of Terry's and Dennis Wilson's" and when he's told Melcher no longer lives there, Manson asks if Sebring knows where he can find him.
shareAgree. He mentioned both of them.
shareNo, I have not seen it yet. I'm just basing my assumptions on the degree of 'historic realism' Quentin had on display in Django Unchained and Inglourious Basterds.
sharei feel like that's territory that's really been mined deeply by manson books & biopics & docs. tarantino may have felt that he didn't want his film to trod over material that's been presented so many times before.
personally, i think the exposure we did get was just about right. i think that scene at the ranch was perfectly calibrated with the right level of impending threat.
for the record, i will also say that i think the manson song that made it onto the beach boys' 2020 album is pretty good.
not that i want to be seen as supporting dirty, filthy hippie murderers, but they turned it into quite a nice little track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49bxJKLI5d8
Manson's original version is actually way better than the Beach Boys version. Very atmospheric. It would be great as the credits scene track for a Manson movie, with some young hitchhiker chick in the California desert, getting a lift from Manson and his family in his freak-bus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1MmHGoKq1Y
i can see that. it has that murky lo-fi feel that creates a threatening atmosphere.
i'm a big fan of the beach boys post-pet sounds run of albums, so that's where i'm going to gravitate, but i know where you're coming from.
Maybe he tried but couldn’t get permission.
There's a deleted scene on the DVD where Manson goes around to the landlord's house and talks to the landlord(a music producer) at greater length about Melcher and Wilson and his own musical ambitions. The landlord basically blows Manson off and warns him not to bother the tenants. Interesting backdrop: barking dogs and "Combat" on TV (starring Vic Morrow, the father of Jennifer Jason Leigh of The Hateful Eight.)
Truth be told, the scene really doesn't lend much to the storyline. Though perhaps more could be made of the dark irony that Manson's targeting of Tate was because he wanted to kill everyone at "Melcher's house."