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Use of Unused Herrmann Music from Hitchocck's "Torn Curtain" (1966) (MAJOR SPOILERS)


In 1966, famous movie director Alfred Hitchcock was finishing up his new spy thriller, Torn Curtain, starring Paul Newman and Julie Andrews.

Signed to do the musical score was famous musical composer Bernard Herrmann, who had provided the historic scores for Psycho(with the screeching violins) , Vertigo, North by Northwest, and five other Hitchcock films.

...and Hitchcock fired Bernard Herrmann off of Torn Curtain. Hitchcock was scared that Herrmann's music was "too old fashioned." It was cowardly behavior on Hitch's part -- but he feared being old in Hollywood himself. Just like Rick Dalton.

One of the pieces of music that Herrmann had written for "Torn Curtain" was violent, wrenching music for a scene called "The Death of Gromek" in which Paul Newman had to slowly kill an East German agent named Gromek in a farmhouse kitchen...using a knife, a shovel, bare hands...very violent sequence.

But in the movie, "The Death of Gromek" has no music.

In 1991, director Martin Scorsese made a remake of a 1962 thriller called Cape Fear, which also had music by Bernard Herrmann. Scorsese not only had Herrmann's score reorchestrated for Cape Fear -- he put in the unused "Death of Gromek" music for the hurricane finale. Thus --the late Herrmann's great unused Death of Gromek music FINALLY ended up in a movie, and by a great director)Scorsese.)

Now, in 2019, Quentin Tarantino has brought back, yet again, Herrmann's "Death of Gromek" music for two very important scenes in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood:

It is the music for the "Nazi BBQ flame thrower" clip in "Once Upon a Time In Hollywood"(at the beginning) and for Leo using the same flame thrower to roast a Manson follower at the end.

And so, music written for Alfred Hitchcock in 1966 has now been used by Martin Scorsese in 1991, and by Quentin Tarantino in 2019.

Nice work, Bernard Herrmann!

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Was Herrmann's work not also in that scene when Cliff explores the old house looking for the owner of the ranch? It sounded very "Psycho".

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Was Herrmann's work not also in that scene when Cliff explores the old house looking for the owner of the ranch? It sounded very "Psycho".

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I agree. I'm kinda/sorta trying to research that.

It sounded somewhat like the music that accompanied Vera Miles on her walk up the hill to the house near the climax of Psycho -- but not exactly. And I know that Psycho score pretty closely.

I'm guessing either QT "tampered" with the Psycho music a bit..or used some other Herrmann Hitchcock scoring. It sounded a bit like a sequence in the 1956 "Man Who Knew Too Much," for instance. Finally, Herrmann scored a lot of Hitchcock TV shows and Twilight Zones. It could be from anyplace, but I'm pretty sure its Herrmann.

Meanwhile, I have solved a mystery(to myself.) The music at the very end of the movie sounded a bit like Maurice Jarre's score for Hitchcock's Topaz, which interestingly enough, came out in 1969.

But a review of the soundtrack album line-up for this movie reveals: this is a Maurice Jarre cut from the John Huston film "The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean" (1972), entitled: "Miss Lillie Langtry."

In summary:

ONE: Herrmann's "The Death of Gromek" from Torn Curtain(1966) -- over both of the two flame thrower sequences.

TWO: "Mystery Herrmann music" -- over Brad Pitt's exploration of the Spahn house.

THREE: NOT Hitchcock's Topaz at the end -- rather "The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean." Both movies music composed by Maurice Jarre.

And this:

After Hitchcock fired Herrmann off of Torn Curtain, he never used the same composer again twice, and hired these four composers for his four final movies:

Torn Curtain: John Addison
Topaz: Maurice Jarre
Frenzy: Ron Goodwin
Family Plot: John Williams

Meanwhile, in the 70's , Bernard Herrmann was hired by "the new guys" to score Taxi Driver for Scorsese and several movies for DePalma.

Herrmann died in late 1975. He COULD have scored all of Hitchcock's movies to the end. But it didn't happen.

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It sounded somewhat like the music that accompanied Vera Miles on her walk up the hill to the house near the climax of Psycho -- but not exactly. And I know that Psycho score pretty closely.


Yes, it sounded to me like it was from one of the scenes in which one of the characters is approaching or exploring the Bates motel, but I wasn't sure which one (Vera Miles or Martin Balsam). Anyway, even if it wasn't from Psycho, it was definitely an homage.

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In a July 26, 2019 net interview with Variety, QT's music director Mary Ramos spells out the story on the Herrmann music:

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"(QT) wanted to stay true to the period, and that even expanded into the score choices, like the Bernard Herrmann score pieces we use. Herrmann was the premier film composer of the time -- real Hollywood royalty -- and so we use some of the music from "Torn Curtain." If you are a Bernard Herrmann geek like me, you know that "Torn Curtain" was the score that Hitchcock threw out, so there's only a few existing pieces of the original Herrmann score that were recorded, and we used one of those in the movie, and then we also use a piece that Elmer Bernstein re-recorded."

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On the basis of that quote, I am guessing that the specific "Torn Curtain" music is for the flame thrower(both times -- The Death of Gromek) and that the "Elmer Bernstein re-recording" is used in the "Psycho"-ish scene at the Spahn house. (The Bernstein/Herrmann music could be from EITHER Torn Curtain -- unused by Hitchcock -- or from the 1962 Cape Fear.)

Keep in mind that Elmer Bernstein, composer of The Magnificent Seven, re-recorded Herrmann's 1962 Cape Fear AND 1966 Torn Curtain music for Scorsese's Cape Fear remake in 1991.

And this: Scorsese brought all this un-used Torn Curtain music into the movies in 1991 -- one year later, 1992, Tarantino debuted with Reservoir Dogs.

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Thank you for your informative post. This is the kind of cool stuff I missed at the old IMDB boards (before it got overrun by 12 year olds).

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You are welcome! I think this is interesting material, myself....

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great stuff ecarle! 👍 That Spahn ranch scene has Psycho all over it

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Thank you and..yes, it does

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