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What is Possible When We Are Able To Tell "Our" Stories


I felt this was a brilliant movie, but more than anything else, I was encouraged by the director's ability to tell a story like this from the perspective of Black people (and don't tell me it doesn't matter, you wouldn't want a Frenchman or Irishman to be the director of stories that are about the American experience).

It's not that there aren't great white/latino/asian directors/writers out there, but they can only go so far in understanding the pain/anxieties of the black community, which is needed to tell a story like this.

Hopefully, this is the beginning of a trend of black directors & writers being able to tell black stories for mainstream audiences without watering us down culturally to do so.

Kiki Layne & Teyonah Parrish are a revelation. You have 2 actresses playing off of each other perfectly, with Layne playing the shy & reserved sister, with Parrish being much more
outspoken & defiant

And Regina King has become one of the best actresses that we have.

I will also say that Emily Rios, the latina actress in here, who has a small supporting role makes a huge impression here (she's also great on FX's "Snowfall"). Also one of the more underrated actresses in Hollywood.

This movie is a painfully honest examination of racism, religion, & the prison industrial complex that goes a long way in explaining the anxieties of being black in America.

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You something so true and beautiful about this movie. I agree with you. It was sooooooooooo beautiful, I can't even begin to explain how.
I really loved how he told the story. This is a love story that showed that love can sustain even through an incredible amount of pain. Just beautiful and magnificent.
Now I just want to read the book of the same title by James Baldwin

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This movie was atrocious and I think it was created for simpletons.

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From the interviews and speeches that I’ve seen from Regina King...not a fan at all.

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Posting again. Agreed!!

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I have no effin' clue what the hell you're talking about with this 'black experience' as a black person. I would love the perspective of the 'pains and anxieties' that black people cause to black people who don't act like them. THAT is something I identify with. I do also know this movie sucked.

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Good for you you special snowflake, you're special and better than all the rest of us Black people because you know so much and are so different than the rest of us that we can't understand your brilliance.

Now beat it.

Get the hell out of my thread.

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OH IS THIS YOUR THREAD? WELL EXCUSE ME YOU WHINY BLACK MORON. I'll just excuse myself. Oh wait. No I won't.

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(I need to check this site more often. I just knew there would be a stupid reply that needed addressing). This movie was an honest examination of easily manipulated saps who praise every SJW-friendly movie that whiiiines and moooans about pooooor black people and even their great-great-great-great offspring are still suffering and always will.

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Good to know that you're not the Black person you proclaimed yourself to be, so you're a liar & a racist.

Reported

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No need to report. Allow his/her voice to be his/her own punishment.

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LOL and this punishment is the worst! The ability to express myself and be correct is certainly what I deserve.

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Again, forgot to check back! Glad to know I've harmed your little heart so much that you tried to get me banned. Such a weak-minded, anti-intellectual you are. This movie is perfect for you.

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And apparently lying about being Black to attack Black people on internet forums shows how weak-minded and anti-intellectual you are.

Go back Breitbart, homie.

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I'm not lying, I know your little mind believes that someone would actually do that, because they are so EVIL if they don't agree with your moronic opinions. Just shows how polluted your head is. You do not EXIST in reality and when it gets in your face, you smash the report button! LOL.

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LMAO, okay Breitbart. See ya.

Leave my thread

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Bruh, when are you going to realize that you are POWERLESS to make me leave your thread? I think it's hilarious that you tried reporting me and race-baiting to no avail. Tsk tsk.

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You know what?

You're right, but I can put your clown ass on ignore

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Go right ahead you baby I have no interest in hearing from your stupid ass.

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Interesting message. I'd like to know more about your point of view.
Haven’t' seen the film yet myself, but plan on doing so soon, based on the numerous good reviews and my appreciation of some portions of Barry Jenkin's previous film 'Moonlight'

"…don't tell me it doesn't matter, you wouldn't want a Frenchman or Irishman to be the director of stories that are about the American experience".
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I'm not quite sure I understand why I should care about the nationality of the writer/director.
I can think of many quintessential pictures about America that were directed by foreigners (e.g. Chinatown, Once Upon a Time in America, The Great Gatsby, Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, the American films of Alfred Hitchcock, the American films of Elia Kazan…).

Also, making a movie is notoriously a collaborative effort: what of the nationality (or ethnicity, religion, etc.) of the main actors, the director of photography, set designer, costume designer, editor, score composer, etc.?
Would they also need to have had similar life-experiences as the protagonist the film they’re all working on is about? Would that requirement be different if we were talking about a documentary, or a work of fiction (based on real events/characters or not)?
Would you say there is such a thing as a "single black experience" that all black people share in the US? Or that there is a single "American experience" that all citizens of that country experience?

For example, Stephan James, the actor playing Alonzo in ‘If Beale Street Could Talk’ was apparently never incarcerated, and is not even American (he’s Canadian).

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"It's not that there aren't great white/latino/asian directors/writers out there, but they can only go so far in understanding the pain/anxieties of the black community, which is needed to tell a story like this."
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Would you still think the same if said great white/latino/asian director or writer had carried-out proper and thorough research on the topic (including researching history, interviewing members of the black community, etc.)?

Do you find it not reasonable to say that the lived experience of a single person (no matter how intense and tragic and real and true) still cannot be representative of the diversity of experience of the people from that same community or ethnicity or group, and that therefore lived experience is no substitute for sociological/anthropological/historical research and data (at least when it comes to represent or get at some of the truth of what the life of a group of people is/was like)?

Also, if one necessarily needs to have experienced the pain/anxieties of the subject one is set to direct a film about, then what of directors wanting to make a film about things such as, say, rape, loss of a child, schizophrenia, nazi death camps, adultery, suicide, the 9/11 attacks, etc.?
Could they only hope to get at some of the truth of these subjects if they had previously experienced them themselves (or inflicted them on others)? And if that were the case, of the numerous people who have indeed experienced these things (and are still alive and capable of testifying about them), which ones would you say would be the best qualified to write and/or direct a film about them (in other words, what qualities do you think are necessary to write/direct a goof film, once race and nationality have been set aside)?

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Whoa dude, you wrote ALL that just to imply that experiences don't matter.

I say they kinda do.

Does it matter if the director & writers, who shape the narratives has some experience in what he/they are talking about?

On some level, yes.

Does that mean that people who haven't lived an experience can't possibly do a good job in conveying an experience?

No.

Does that mean that people should be banned from telling stories they can't relate to?

No.

Steven Spielberg did a great job with "The Color Purple"

However he's not the absolute best person who could possibly tell that story, though. He's limited in how great he can be in telling the story.

Just like a slave or can tell me what it's like to be a slave better than somebody who was never a slave.

There's a limit to how real it can be.

Even directors & actors acknowledge this themselves, that's why they do the research in the first place.

They have to LEARN from people who actually experienced it.

That's why Roman Polanski was able to tell the story of "The Pianist" better than anyone else. Most of his family was murdered in the Holocaust. It was a personal story for him. It was completely real to him, not just a movie. There's not a human being alive who could've done a better job than him. HE was both the talented story teller AND somebody who's close enough to the story to feel it.

IF person who's a talented story teller AND has the experience they are inherently more qualified than somebody who's just a talented story teller to tell the story.

That's true in music, movies, and everything else in life.

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