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Better than I’d been led to believe (Spoilers)


I’d heard this was a let down, that it failed as an Unbreakable sequel and was not as good as Split.

I actually preferred it to Split, and found it to be an interesting passion project from Shyamalan.

The idea that an elite cabal is trying to suppress individual actualisation and empowerment to keep the human population unremarkable sheep is actually very compelling and quite pertinent, so full marks to Shy for a strong and topical central conceit.

(The real world equivalent of this elite controls ‘official’ movie reviews, which explains why the RottenTomatoes critics score is so low while the audience score is high - this film is touching on forbidden truths that increasingly resonate with people)

The film started brilliantly and every actor was on form, and it was great to see Spencer Treat Clark (who I always found annoying in Gladiator) all grown up, as well as Elijah’s mum and even Shy’s cameo character all returning.

Once we get to the asylum the film remains interesting but slows down, and Shymalan seems to have a boner for watching McAvoy do his impressions, but this felt way overcooked, and left precious little time to spend with our hero, and the villain was catatonic until the last third.

Adding to the neglect of David Dunn, one of Willis’ best roles, Shy has the audacity to just kill him off… by having a random drown him in a puddle. His final moments are listening to his crazy therapist revealing that she’s actually part of an evil cabal that hates superheroes. Really? This is how David Dunn dies?

Meanwhile McAvoy is also dying, but we have to hear about five death speeches from him 🙄 One can’t help thinking that some epic confrontation between Willis and Samuel L (this is their fourth time working together) would be time better spent.

Apparently Shy funded this himself, which explains why the final battle doesn’t take place in the impressive new skyscraper… but on a lawn. The Dunn v Crumb fight was rather underwhelming too, just some pushing and the odd thump, let’s have a bit more invention please.

Another problem was some pretty creaky dialogue from Sarah Paulson, who had to explain everything in the last 10 minutes, in various sequences that felt very forced and unnatural. More show and less tell would have helped here.

The film is constantly stretching credibility, like how was this publicly accessible mental asylum legally able to detain these men? Why didn’t McAvoy just close his eyes when they were flashing lights at him? Why would you be alone in a room with, and even touch, a patient as dangerous as Crumb?

Yet somehow the film still mostly works because Shy commits to his crazy vision, and remains a great filmmaker who uses silences and long takes to great effect. There’s a Lynchian strangeness throughout with unusual camera dynamics and a fantastic pulsing score underneath. A surprise throat slashing was effective because of all the slow pacing.

Like Split, the tone here is mystery/horror, whereas Unbreakable was more drama/thriller. There’s a quiet sense of menace running through the film, with a kind of catharsis at the end when our ‘heroes’ die and a new world of Heroes, Heroes Everywhere is born - and you might be one of them if you dare to call out the powers that be.

Huge credit must go to the film for this message and for breaching woke dictates with abandon - a white male superhero saves four helpless young cheerleaders, it dares to have a black villain in Mr Glass, and a female villain in Dr Ellie Staple. Again, all these things explain the low critics score - which has become the imprimatur of a film absolutely worth watching… and Glass no exception.


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Don’t know, don’t care. Why?

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I think I liked it more than you did.

I also loved the central ideas of the story, and how it expanded the world of Unbreakable. The idea that there are super-people upon whom legends of gods and heroes were based is cool, and then Shayamalan takes another great idea to build on it. Much has been made of the "escalation" in Batman: Batman shows up, then masked villains show up, and the question is whether or not Batman is doing good or harm?

The central organization, the shadowy government types, are contending that it's bad. That having the David Dunns of the world around doesn't justify having people like Mr. Glass and The Beast. What's really great is that they might be right. Mr. Glass killed hundreds of people just to find David. How many did David save?

Of course, ultimately, it's a more heroic message to send that resistance to the shadowy group is admirable. And I think it is, ultimately, correct. You're right: it's totally applicable to the real world and the way that people and groups try to control one another. But I think you're confining it too much to one or two groups. This isn't limited to "woke" movement by any means.

I didn't dislike the middle as much as you, either. The movie has a lot of characters - you're right - and maybe Shayamalan does spend a little too much time with McAvoy's characters compared to David, but I like that Glass is this floating unknown factor, and I don't think it's as out of balance as you do.

One of the things I love about the mid-section is that the psychiatrist started messing with me, too. She almost convinced me that the story of Unbreakable was a fantasy of David Dunn's. I loved that about Unbreakable, and Shayamalan managed to resurrect it here.

I do agree that Dunn's demise was a letdown and I am sad the character won't continue on. But, I did like the possibilities of the ending. I'd absolutely watch more. It's one of the only superhero movies (of late) where I'd be excited to watch the sequel. It could go anywhere, and that's exciting. Very exciting.

As to the woke thing, I think you might be reading too much defiance in here. I think Shayamalan just used his existing cast, so I don't think there was an anti-wokeness to Dunn's being white and Glass' being black. You could just as easily say that Shayamalan gives us three characaters (Glass' mom, the kidnapped girl, and Dunn's son) who are 2/3 female and have black representation, too. I don't think there was any pressure on him to do anything "woke", either, since Shayamalan is pretty under-the-radar these days and he funded it (largely) himself.

If he makes another one, I'll be there for it.

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i didn't think it was all that good, but i liked the 2nd act the most. the philosophical conversations between these three very different characters, and the female psychologist, were the most interesting parts of the film. i thought the first 20 minutes were a pretty lame fight scene between willis and mccavoy, and the final battle was not that climactic. i kinda wish the film just started at the pysche ward. mccavoy, L jackson, and paulson knocked their performances out of the park. willis was not that good, but it's forgiven now knowing his condition.

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Same here. The Psyche Ward stuff is easily my favorite. Even though the trailer sold it as some kinda superhero movie showdow thing, I knew it wasn't gonna be that.

The whole final act was anticlimactic for me.

Sarah Paulson convincing them that they're infact not special & they're just crazy was the best bit. Wish the movie was more of that.

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