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Gitesh Pandya(Boxofficeguru) joins Scott Mendelson


in praising the film as great, escapist fun.

Gitesh says to expect "muscular" box office. Universal is famous for keeping budgets tight so potential for incredible profits. Universal rarely breaks the bank in producing films...even their animated films cost under 80 million and they still manage to put butts in seats .

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QueenFanUSA what will be the breakeven point for this "Muscular" Box Office juggernaut? It would appear that you pulled a Ghostbusters and crossed the Box Office streams.

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Idk yet. I haven't seen any reports on budgets but Universal always produces under Industry averages.

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[–] QueenFanUSA (2028) 19 minutes ago
Idk yet. I haven't seen any reports on budgets but Universal always produces under Industry averages.
I'm inclined NOT to believe you. Here's why.

1. You have Scott Mendelson's name in the title of the post.
2. If his name is in the title you must have read Scott on the Forbes' site.

There are two recent articles on Forbes by Mendelson and he got into a LOT of detail regarding this summer, Disney, Box Office, and Legs. You know all of the "usual suspects" that you like opining, predicting and forecasting about. Here are links:

Hollywood Is Hoping 'Hobbs & Shaw' Can Be This Year's First Blockbuster That Isn't A Disney Or Marvel Movie

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/08/01/avengers-hobbs-shaw-fast-furious-johnson-statham-elba-disney-spider-man-joker-cats-jumanji-marvel-sony-disney-box-office/#6e78ae8c201f

and

Walt Disney Has Ruled The Summer Box Office With Big Openings And Long Legs

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/08/01/box-office-disney-avengers-lion-king-spider-man-aladdin-toy-story-tarantino-john-wick-beatles-midsommar-annabelle/#4020427757bc

Mendelson's two stories recap most of what BillBrown7071 has been haunting you with. You know, Disney is ruling this summer and the year of 2019 against all other studios and it isn't even close.

And you read neither article?

Hmmmm, well Mendelson reports that Universal is spending $200 Million on production for this little not-indie film. Why should I believe you when the FIRST thing you like to do is trot out Budgets for movies before they are released?

You didn't know that or you are too embarrassed to admit, understand or even believe that? Mendelson even provides his take on the relative performance of Universal, WB and Fox. Mendelson paints a very "objectively descriptive" picture of Disney as being well, highly profitable. I leave it up to you to throw a surprise celebration for WB, Universal and the rest because I don't think those studios are boasting about anything they've done this year and they might all be rethinking their marketing departments future employment.
"The conventional wisdom is that Hobbs & Shaw, which teams Dwayne Johnson and Jason Statham with Vanessa Kirby and pits them against Idris Elba, will open with around $65 million and then leg out as the last big blockbuster movie of the summer. Even the critically-scorned Suicide Squad was able to earn $325 million domestic from a $133 million launch (and a 68% second-weekend drop) on this frame in 2016. A $65 million launch and a 3x multiplier (higher than normal for the franchise, but normal for an August action biggie) gets this David Leitch-directed film to $200 million."

"That would make it, yes, the first non-Disney/non-MCU 2019 release to hit that milestone and giving Universal the year’s top two such movies after Jordan Peele’s Us. But the real question is how it performs overseas. The film, which cost a whopping $200 million (one of Universal’s most expensive movies, admittedly by default, and more than any of at least the first six Fast & Furious installments), needs to play at least somewhat like a Fast & Furious movie to justify itself"
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So, now you know what you know, and you also know that I know that you know that I know you know.

So, what's the Breakeven for this film? Numbers please.

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I read his review of the film and not the articles you linked. Thanks for the info.

With a 200 million budget and a presumed 100 million marketing budget the break-even point would be around 600 million.

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You don’t know this, you pretty much suck at predicting so stop

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posted 2 days ago by QueenFanUSA (2029)
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Gitesh says to expect "muscular" box office. Universal is famous for keeping budgets tight so potential for incredible profits. Universal rarely breaks the bank in producing films...even their animated films cost under 80 million and they still manage to put butts in seats .
Don't you see how you crossed streams in talking about Box Office to attempt to make a point?

The Fast and The Furious...…………………. Budget = $38 Million Gross $207 Mil
Fast and Furious...…………….........……….. Budget = $85 Million Gross $363 Mil
2 Fast and 2 Furious...……………………….… Budget = $76 Million Gross $236 Mil
FF:Toyko Drift...………………...………………… Budget = $85 Million Gross $158 Mil

Fast Five...……………………...…………………… Budget = $125 Million Gross $626 Mil
Fast and Furious 6......…...………………….. Budget = $160 Million Gross $788 Mil
Furious 7.........……………………...……….…… Budget = $190 Million Gross $1,516 Mil
Fate of the Furious...……………………….…… Budget = $250 Million Gross $1,236 Mil
FFP:Hobbs & Shaw...……………………………. Budget = $200 Million Gross ??????????

According to you Universal "Budgets" reasonably and keeps budgets "Tight", and you're putting this Universal franchise into your arbitrary category of "Tightly Budgeted" Universal films that achieve "Incredible" Box Offices? Are you kidding anyone?

How is the FF franchise any less dependent on large budgets and stars than any other studio, to both entertain and put Butts in Seats? Please explain why you saddled FF with your Anti-Disney Animation Low Budget backhanded slap.

Oh you wont.

Anytime I ask you to show your work (meaning links, references, other like minded analysts) you disappear. Dude, it's a conversation. Nothing BAD is going to happen to you. Just defend your positions and comments.

Don't run away from them. Just saying you were wrong is not a conversation.

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With a 200 million budget and a presumed 100 million marketing budget the break-even point would be around 600 million.

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with this admission.

2 questions have to be asked?

1. why arent you making Troll threads on The Hobbs and Shaw Board declaring this film has a 600 Million Break even point?

I mean you claim not to be biased toward Disney films yet, for some reason here is a perfect example of a film that has the exact same break even point that you set for "Disney Aladdin" and ODDLY you havent made a troll thread declaring it has a 600 Million Break Even point....

Im sorry but if your going to continue using to the FAKE trolling tactic of claiming "you love Disney and arent biased toward Disney films" you've got to think about things like this, You've got to show some sort of consistency

Now I know you LOVE Universal and dont want to troll on HObbs and Shaw, You dont want to point out its 600 M break even point that it appears its going to struggle to hit....but your going to have to make sacrifices if you want to continue FAKE trolling and claiming your not biased toward Disney Queen....unfortunatel Hobbs and Shaw is one of those sacrifices your going to have to make.


lol 2.

why say this ? "With a 200 million budget and a presumed 100 million marketing budget the break-even point would be around 600 million."

what you should have said was "With a 200 million budget and a presumed 100 million marketing budget the break-even point would be around 600 million....BUT Then we are going to have to wait to see HOW MUCH more it makes beyond the break even point to gauge if its a success or not"?

remember, You are NOT biased toward Disney films....so anything you say about a Disney film, any standard you set toward a Disney film queen should also apply to ALL films...

and If you'll remember, once Aladdin kept Surpassing all the "Marks" you set for it, you kept moving the goal posts...

after it opened huge, You moved the goal posts to "ya so what, lets see how much profit it makes with a 600 M break even point"

then once Aladdin Surpassed the 600 Million Break even point, You moved the goal posts to a NEW standard, a standard that now must be applied to Hobbs and Shaw.....You claimed it wasnt enough for Aladdin to simply hit its break even point, Nope according to you we now had to wait and see HOW MUCH MORE it made past its break even point to gauge if its a success or not

lol and to make matter worse, you later moved the goal posts again and SET an EXACT amount, You later specifically set Aladdin needed to make "Closer to 1 Billion than 800 Million" to be consider a Huge hit....

So...Queen If you going to continue your FAKE trolling that your not biased toward Disney

You should probably make a troll thread where you declare

Hobbs and Shaw has a break even point of 600 M....But we wont know if its a success or not until we see how much more it makes past its break even point

You then should add, If Hobbs and Shaw Finishes closer to 1 Billion than 800 Million....Its a HUGE HIT!



lol

This is how terrible your trolling is Queen.....You get in such a Rage that Disney keeps making 1 Billion + films that Surpasses all your "Marks"...you then come up with these completely absurd "scales and standards" to try and claim the Disney films arent hits...

Hilariously though, The Disney's Films End up always Surpassing all your Marks.....but The films you LIKE and Defend like Hobbs and Shaw and Shazam cant Meet or Surpass those same standards you set....

You intentionally try to set The highest Possible Bar for Disney films....and to your horror the Disney films consistently Meets and Surpasses your Intentionally HIGH Marks....But when we apply your exact "standards" to films you like, They dont meet your "Marks" or standards you set...

somehow, without realizing it, when you troll of Disney films your actually Trolling and DOOMING films you like and Defend....


bottom line,In this case...You spent a month trolling on Aladdin....In the end, all it accomplished was a half of Dozen failed predictions, You abandoning the board in shame .....and most embarrassing, Every single "Mark" and standard you set for Aladdin now applies to Hobbs and Shaw, and Fittingly Aladdin Met and Surpassed every Mark you set while Hobbs and Shaw is going to MISS every mark you set...

basically, You didnt know it at the time, but your trolling on Aladdin did NOTHING but make it impossible for you to claim Hobbs and Shaw is a hit...

You thought you were trolling a Disney film, but in reality you were DOOMING a film you like and want to defend...

I truly dont see how anyone could fail any worse at trolling than you do....

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Bill, you need to add the new QFU tactic of questioning IP valuation and Box office performance of Disney films exclusively.

Soon, very soon QFU will return to complaining that Disney is failing because the FOX acquisition hasn't been paid off. Wait for it.... wait for it......

He still thinks that Disney overspent for Marvel and Lucas Films and that those two acquisitions have kept Disney in the red on their balance sheet.

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He still thinks that Disney overspent for Marvel

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lol

I havent heard this one before from Queen...

Considering Disney paid 4 Billion and Has netted near 10 Billion ALONE in profit from the 23 MCU films theatrical grosses and Probably around 15 Billion in Profit from Merchandising and Home Revenue from these MCU films....

I dont think its an exaggeration to say theres not a single SOUL on earth that would agree with Queen that Disney Over Spent....every single Studio in Hollywood would kill to go back in time and PAY TWICE as much for Marvel that Disney did if they could.

Every single Investment Banker and analyst on earth would Look at Disney's investment in Marvel as A Ran away Grandslam...

Like always, Due to the incredible success of Disney, It seems Queen is forced down the LONELY Path of "Being in a part one 1"

sometime a film or in the case a Deal, Is just so successful , theres no possible way to troll on it or spin it...

So Queen's only option is to say "Negative things" that no one else on earth will agree with...

Usually almost any debate or argument will have a Small Minority no matter how absurd or overwhelming....

But hilariously Disney Is so Successful, Theres not even a small minority...lol Queen tried to troll on Endgame(The highest Grossing movie of all time)....There just no spinning that, NO ONE is going to agree thats anything but GREAT......of course that kills Queen so he TRIES to spin it, but in doing so he find himself in a "party of 1"....no matter what he says, no matter how he tries to spin it negatively...NO ONE is going to agree with him ...LITERALLY NO ONE

lol I can get on the Michael Jordan board right now and claim He was the most over rated player ever, that He played against terrible competition and If he played today he wouldnt be a top 100 player......anyone can say things....The problem is, NOT another person on earth would agree with the statement I just made....

To troll on Jordan, I would have to accept , this isnt about being right, This is SOLELY of about trolling, I dont care If I cant find another human being on earth that agrees with my opinion...

hilariously thats where Queen is With Disney...

Disney is So successful....Queen now has to just say "Fuck it" I'm just going to say anything I can think of and I dont care that NO ONE else on earth will agree with me...

I call it the "Party of 1" fallacy

Queen is free to claim "Endgame is not a Huge Hit"....Queen is free to claim "Disney overspent on Marvel".....but due to The astronomic success of these 2....Theres not even a tiny minority that would agree with me....theres literally NO ONE....NO OTHER person on earth would look at the facts and come to the conclusion Queen came to you....

Disney's success has left Queen in a LONELY and shameful "Party of 1" where all he can do is make claims no one else on earth will agree with...





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