https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_28_Pages
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_Saudi_role_in_September_11_attacks
Should be talking about what really happened... Osama was too busy living the retired life in a recluse home in Pakistan near the Pakistan intelligence agency jerking off to American porn.
It's putting the blame front and center on the CIA for not acting and sharing info, it is including the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence investigation the lead up to the attacks is based on that as back track.
How far it goes I have no idea, however it seems it will stop with the attacks and there have only been brief obscure nods to Saudi Arabia like when they are in Yemen investigating. Things like when Soufan goes back to Yemen and they focus in on a sign that says: Saudi BinladinGroup, plus some other small nods but I figure that's as far it will go.
Would be nice if they showed some of that from the real Intelligence investigation, like they showed the real part of Sen Carl Levin asking questions of then CIA Director George Tenet and Condoleezza Rice, however not holding my breath.
Okay after seeing the last episode they just gave it passing lip service.
Basically script wise it was:
"Tenet: This is going to be a very hard day for US-Saudi relations.
Clarke: You've given me flight manifests for four domestic flights.
Tenet: Yes.
Clarke: How do these tell me that we have a Saudi problem? I'm looking at names, not nationalities.
Tenet: We cross-referenced all passenger names against an agency database for known al-Qaeda. We came up with two. Both of them were Saudi. Now, there seems to have been a number of other Saudis on the four planes, possibly as many as 15.
Clarke: And do we know that these two, or these 15, are responsible for what's happening today?
Tenet: That is the leading assumption, yes, but the immediate issue for the administration is going to be getting our Saudi friends out of the country. That includes the royal family, the ambassador, all associates. They're going to be in danger once this leaks out in the press. Dick, we have to preserve our relationship with Saudi Arabia for many reasons, in the short term to help form a coalition and to host a staging ground for when we do retaliate in the region.
Clarke: We agree on that, George. I'll go to Condi and discuss getting the Saudis out, but this conversation is not over."
And Tenet talking to Rice:
If we're agreed about the Saudi royal family, and the intelligence community clears the names, please ask the President for a limited lifting of the flight ban to allow one or two 747s in the air in the next day or so.
We have both CIA and FBI have agents on the ground, trying to nail down concrete evidence linking these attacks to bin Laden and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.
I've heard from Yemen that we've finally been given access to certain individuals close to Usma bin Laden.
We hope to very soon be able to give the Taliban an ultimatum: give up or face the wrath of the United States military.
Also Rumsfeld wants the attacks linked to Saddam Hussein and Iraq.
Interesting, thx for the info. Few questions:
Wasn't Osama's family or close relatives visiting the US during the day of attack?
For the flight ban lift, does that entail why air force didn't scramble jets or if they did, it was already too late to even take any of the 4 off course planes down?
Was already too late, well except for the one that hit the Pentagon and Flight 93 which was likely shot down by a Jet, even though the story is passengers in a struggle to control the cockpit.
Info on that one: http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/attack/flight93.html
Both those two stories were also glossed over and the end of it left me with the feeling of I wish there was going to be a second mini-series called: After The Towers.
Yes to his family and letting the Saudis out of the US only came out in the Congressional Inquiry, how many is is hard to find within the US, UK or Australian papers, you have to look to India (and 2003):
http://www.thehindu.com/2003/09/05/stories/2003090500601500.htm
Mr. Clarke's admission of the role by the White House in the departure of some 140 Saudi nationals has led to a call from the New York Senator, Charles Schumer, for an internal investigation by the White House on the matter. Mr. Schumer's suspicion is that some of those who left hurriedly, including two relatives of Osama, may have had links to terror outfits and, therefore, could have shed light on terror attacks.
What I find troubling is the so-called planes that headed the twin towers, pentagon, and final crashing to some ground (Flight 93). There were reports of it having no windows or that it was a military plane that flew into them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHHghW4Pg5k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgF9Fd4UyMY
What's occurred to me is if you have towers that high, I think they should have mandatory parachutes every few of floors after floor 50+ and windows that have 3-4 emergency window breakaways on those floors then people can just jump out and parachute down as a last ditch effort instead of throwing themselves out of them to their deaths. Workers should also get a few training classes to know how to use them as well. But I guess that's too crazy an idea so instead they focus on building as tall a tower as possible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9QN3AkydYY
Recordings of jet scramble
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJZVQ7PLpyI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4Tj4XN6U_w
My fav part of the 9/11 (2002) Documentary:
https://youtu.be/dqeo_a2VEp4?t=50m47s
https://youtu.be/dqeo_a2VEp4?t=1h8m18s
10 years later:
https://youtu.be/9ejHArz_TSA?t=1h28m10s
Crash & News Compilation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjXgbpkKnKo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJtLoDTg5kQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TqqzOCPmRE
Yeah there's lots of contradictory that stuff that I guess we'll never know for sure.
Always interests me that the first episode of the X-Files spin-off The Lone Gunman that went to air on March 04th 2001 and what it was about:
http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2015/06/the-lone-gunmen-and-911
In the episode, a computer hacker takes control of a Boeing 727 passenger plane and flies it towards the World Trade Center, with the specific intention of crashing the plane into one of the Twin Towers. It’s only at the very last moment that the Lone Gunmen are able to hack the hacker and avert disaster and death for those aboard the plane and those inside the World Trade Center.
The hacker is not just some random, crazy guy. The plot is all the work of a powerful, rogue group buried deep within the world of officialdom. The secret plan, had it worked, was to put the blame for the World Trade Center attacks on one or more foreign dictators who are begging to be smart-bombed
Just started watching the series. Makes you wonder why we even bother trusting our government anymore while you got late night liberal tv shows doing the opposite. Seems like time and time again, every time a mass shooting or terrorist action happens, it's due to any combination of either negligence, ignoring red flags, withholding info, or lying to the American people, and then getting away with it by lying under oath. Funny how even after the fact, they lied to us again to put forth the Iraq war. You want to trust your government but they do everything they can to undermine themselves and then you wonder why people start trusting Russia or Assad etc. instead be it propaganda or not.
Kinda why I like Trump in the White House. The constant firing in the White House sort of proves just how corrupt our government is and that liberals just hide it better than cons themselves.
One of things I liked about the series to be honest at least they are highlighting all of that, even Clinton cops it over his bombing while the Lewinksi thing was going (saying it was a distraction from that).
It's also like the Gun debate, most things get skipped over and it's all panic scare tactics, I'm in Australia and have a look at our take it on it all (Feb 2018), the balance is almost spot on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJi4ERLZBBw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHl1JnQoIWQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLjZoA3GaVE
Like I said earlier, they showed the real part of Sen Carl Levin asking questions of then CIA Director George Tenet and Condoleezza Rice after acting it out in the series early in the episode, almost like a "We can't make this shit up," statement.
shareYeah, I just finished episode 9. Were there any criminal charges laid out to anyone at the FBI/CIA for criminal negligence? The fact they were one upping each other on who gets to hold the best intel was counterproductive in the protection of America and its people. It seemed like CIA was the most at fault like everything else they do or did in the past against Americans.
shareYeah like the two Contra deals with Iran and Nicaragua, what a mess that all was.
On charges not that I know of, just a reshuffle and more promises came of it really.
from July 2003:
https://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/24/us/9-11-congressional-report-faults-fbi-cia-lapses.html
While saying the attacks could have been stopped, the report does not blame either agency for overlooking specific information that would have thwarted the terrorism. Providing fresh insights into some pivotal events in the months before the attacks, the report repeats previously released findings like the criticism of the C.I.A. and F.B.I. for their handling of information on Mr. Midhar and Mr. Alhazmi.
Also that article says:
Central Intelligence Agency officials did not alert the Federal Bureau of Investigation or place the names of the two men on a watch list until August 2001, weeks before the attacks. No F.B.I. informants, some of whom had contact with the two, were alerted that they might have belonged to Al Qaeda.
The report found that the National Security Agency, which eavesdrops on worldwide communications, may have had the earliest knowledge of the extremist leanings of Mr. Midhar and Mr. Alhazmi from intercepted messages in early 1999 that were not disclosed to other intelligence agencies.
I'm also confused on how FBI travel abroad to do investigations. I thought they were internal and only do investigations within the US while CIA does foreign (outside) and NSA does both.
https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/c_crop,d_placeholder_euli9k,h_675,w_1200,x_0,y_0/dpr_2.0/c_limit,w_740/fl_lossy,q_auto/v1492802941/articles/2012/09/11/former-fbi-agent-ali-soufan-on-bin-laden-s-death-war-on-terror/avlon-ali-soufan-tease-embed_odowuu
Soufan in Afghanistan
In the end, US government is usually against its own people and I can see why people want to keep the 2nd amendment when Australia and the likes can willingly give up their arms. Just like the pentagon papers etc. etc.
Yeah they are supposed to not be: https://www.fbi.gov/about/leadership-and-structure/international-operations
However, I think the waters got muddied with that special task force John O'Neill set-up, as Ali Soufan did all that was in the show: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Soufan
Going to knuckle down soon and read his book I think: http://books.wwnorton.com/books/The-Black-Banners
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7bVNLL54h0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwzMSZxI8IQ
Holy shit. Martin Schmidt, based on Michael Scheuer on what he thought about John O'Neill. He's messed up but he is true to his word in that he only cares about America and the American people, nothing else. Makes me wonder who really was at fault here...
Damn that was harsh, maybe for the next series of Feud Ryan Murphy can do one on those two, it reminded me of what Bette Davis said on Joan Crawford's death:
“My mother told me never to speak badly of the dead. She's dead....Good”
Thing is the more this has sat in my mind, the more I have come to the conclusion that if Michael Scheuer and John O'Neill had not have hated each other so much and been at loggerheads, the whole thing may have been averted.
Interesting that George W. Bush's name was not mentioned once on this page. Yes he was slow. But it was his administration. He should have taken responsibility and began killing those responsible for the 3000 murders. Not invading a country (Iraq) that
had no connection with the crime or al quaeda.
Bush (see "House of Bush, House of Saud") has a spectial relationship with the Kingdom making millions
from questionable relationships.
Yes he gave up on the hunt for bin laden.
Yep and it all dates back to Reagan and the other Presidents that followed, in the end bin Laden as an enemy was created by those in power through the years as a whole, not one administration can be said to be not guilty up to Bush Jr.
As in (part of the article):
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/05/17/osama.bin.laden.al.qaeda/index.html
By Abdel Bari Atwan,
May 17, 2011
When the U.S.S.R invaded Afghanistan in 1979, resistance erupted in the form of the Islamic mujahedeen. By now, Osama had become the protégé of the radical Islamist scholar Abdullah Azzam, who preached that incitement and jihad were religious duties. In 1982, when he was 25, Osama decided to relinquish his privileged and comfortable life and head for the front line.
In Afghanistan, Osama came face to face with the U.S. military advisers who were arming and training the mujahedeen. When the Soviet troops finally withdrew in 1989 the U.S. began to worry about possible "blow-back" from the hard core of battle-hardened militant Islamists that remained.
Osama learned (from Pakistani intelligence, interestingly) that he was among a group of men targeted for assassination by the CIA. He fled back home only to find himself placed under house arrest. Not surprisingly, perhaps, Osama felt the mujahedeen had been exploited and cheated by the Americans and deeply resented the fact that the Saudi regime was so compliant with the U.S. agenda.
Osama became involved in the burgeoning reform movement and his attentions may never have strayed beyond the Saudi borders had it not been for Saddam Hussein's 1990 invasion of Kuwait.
Learning that the Saudis were considering asking the U.S. for help, Osama wrote a letter to the Saudi Minister of the Interior, offering to put together an army of ex-mujahedeen to liberate the tiny state. His offer was refused and shortly afterwards 100,000 U.S. troops arrived on Saudi soil.
Anyone with a braincell knows that 9/11 was an inside job. a couple of good books to read are - The trigger The Lie That Changed the World... and.... Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center Disaster: Why the Official Story of 9/11 is a Monumental Lie.
The Looming Tower although based on true events, does not claim to be factual.