This is what happens when you disrespect the franchise
nuff' said
shareT3 respected the franchise and it still didn't perform well enough.
To be honest, I don't really know where this franchise should be heading. Everything seems to never gonna work anyway. Probably they'd better stop making Terminator movies anymore.
Just remaster and re-release T2 in 4K plus enhanced CGI and be done with it, George Lucas style.
Or go the Alien vs Predator (and King Kong vs Godzilla) route by making crossover movies. Terminator vs Robocop, for example. How about Terminator vs Rambo? You'd get Arnie vs Stallone that way.
Or just make a T2 open-world modern video game for PS5 or something and sell toys and figurines forever, instead of ruining a legacy by making terrible sequels.
I would disagree with T3 respecting the franchise..the Elton glasses scene instantly makes a mockery of the whole thing and it's pretty much a way less good version of T2 despite a few good moments.
I think the frustration is that there's enough basis to make another awesome movie but after T2 theres too much eye rolling humour, the t800/850 is now always a noble hero/protector character and not actually a terminator anymore, poor casting choices, poor plotlines, poor cgi, the same rehashed come with me if you want to live lines over and over, etc, etc.
Contrast Kyle's bleak description of the future to Sarah in t1with 'talk to the hand' in T3, calling a t800 pops or the mugshot scenes in genisys or t800 Carl's drape business in DOF.
In short, they have replaced Micheal Biehn with Jai Courtney literally and figuratively :)
The key is T1 was never intended for younger audiences - it was an adult story - 18 and up. It had nudity, sex, and fairly good number of F bombs, especially for 1984. An R rating in 1984 was stronger than an R rating a decade later. Even though there were some laughs - they were meant for adults, like the phone call from Matt, and the story about the guy screwing his Afghan before killing it. It was very dark.
By 1991 people were no longer shocked with F bombs, there wasn't any sex, and generally the story was suitable for a younger audience, so more kids got more involved in the franchise and IMO, that was the reason for the silliness creeping into T3.
Salvation could have been great - it was dark again, but somehow missed the mark and TGen, was just plain silly, (but did have some fun moments, but sooooo far off track from T!.
They really needed to go back to the original concept and make an adult sci fi horror movie. But no, Tim Miller was so excited to be making a "fucking Terminator movie", that he sounded just like a kid and we ended up with this crap and probably the end of the franchise.
Maybe someone with a vision will pick it up again, but by then all of the die hard fans will probably be long gone.
You sure about that? Terminator 2 had considerably more F-bombs than the first one. It was also just as graphic and intense.
shareI said that F bombs were much more accepted in 1991 than 1984 and they had more impact in the first movie than the second. I think T2 was intense in a different way - more action, Sarah was over the top intense, but at least to me, far less terrifying. T1 made me think and T2 entertained.
shareI somewhat see what you're saying, the first film had more of an eerie dark mood over it, but as far as the F bombs not being accepted in 1984 not sure about that, look at Scarface, had considerably more F-bombs than T1, same thing with Saturday Night Fever (seriously just about every other word is f-ck in that film) and Dog Day Afternoon and Serpico and One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest and Apocalypse Now just to name a few.
shareTrue but I was comparing a film I think was made for adults that suddenly by jumping 7 years was more acceptable to younger audiences, which is probably the point I was trying to make. F bombs in films were once considered adult material and by 1991, although it had an R rating, kids were watching it.
Terminator movies should have remained adult films but the kids got involved and silliness was included.