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As bad as Salvation and Genisys


Those were mindless action movies that dulled the senses and left you wondering what the hell was going on! At least Rise of the Machines was entertaining in parts, even if the ending was absolutely downbeat.

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I think Genisys has the best script of all the sequels tbh. The only one that got the timetraveling right. Also the chemistry of the team was a blast.
Meanwhile T3 was just an awful parody of T2

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so travelling to the future to prevent judgement day in the last minute, instead of staying in the past and having 30 years to prevent skynet/genisys from even getting created - that's what you understand by "getting time travelling right"?
yikes!

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sending 2 terminator to 1984 and one even earlier was the most logic move of skynet in all the sequels. yike yourself shithead.

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yes, but you can't tell me that it was a logic move for sarah connor to travel to the future in the same movie.

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how would you know what actions in the past would stop skynet? you run around killing random people in computer development? hoping that would slow down or stop it? but you was left wondering what the hell was going on! anyway, the only mindless thing is you

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seriously? lol, i can only hope they don't hire you as a screenwriter for the next sequel (if there will be any).

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ok genius, you want to stop skynet in the past. so how? (hint: you cant)

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if you can't stop judgement day in the past, then you can't stop it in the presence either, especially if they want to stop it just shortly before skynet/geniysis goes live.

having 30 years to accomplish a task will more likely lead to success than having just a day or so. that's simple math.

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you dont seem to get that no one can forsee the future unless youve been there. butterfly effect. even the smallest actions in the past might create a totally different future. like there wasnt even skynet anymore, it was the genisys app. how would theyve known that in 1984? so in the end yeah, they might have figured that too late even when they were 30 years waiting. besides they would get old and pretty likely less vigilant over the years past 97 when nothing happened.

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if the butterfly effect theory applied in terminator movies, then none of the time travels in ANY of the terminator films would make sense. a movie can only work within its internal logic.

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the internal logic of the movies is : skynet/judgement day is inevitable. therefore you dont need to watch any of them or dont try to stop it at all.

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that was introduced in the third movie (and cameron wasn't happy with this). i personally like the theme of judgement day being inevitable.

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ending of Rise of the Machines T3 is often praised though........ it was really good.

T3 is not that bad...... genisys and salvation on the other hard suck , and now this dark fate crap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaMjFTbaFRg

Rise of the Machines (2003)ending scene

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The WHOLE POINT of Terminator is to avoid the future war in the first place!!!

If our heroes fail to destroy Skynet, and it succeeds in wiping out most of the human population AND destroys all our cities and infrastructure, WE'VE LOST! What's the point in trying to fight back and regain our freedom and so forth if all we inherit is a radioactive wasteland?!

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human will to survive?

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the whole point of terminator wasn't to avoid the future war. it was just an assumed chance that opens up in t2 when sarah realized she could destroy miles dyson's work at cyberdine.
in the first terminator film, preventing judgement day was never presented as an option. it was clear that judgement day will happen, so sarah had to train her son to become the military leader who could at least successfully fight against skynet in the future.

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the whole point of terminator was always to ensure there will be a human resistance to fight back. you didnt even got the stories. yikes!

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The "whole point" of Terminator changed with every movie, but with the first 4 at least kept proceeding in a linear way that made sense. There is one timeline, the future war is inevitable, and the movies are about the machines winning by (perhaps misguidedly) killing key humans in the past. Maybe the machines don't realize they can't change the future by altering the past. The future (their present) is already an immutable product of any meddling in the past.

Looking back the story was very Matrix-like and maybe misunderstood. The characters slowly accept that yes, fate exists and the future is written, but the important thing is for humans to keep striving as if it weren't. And to keep the past intact so the machines don't win the future.

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You always know, when they give a movie a title with a deliberate misspelling, it's going to be crap.

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