This unfortunate 2nd weekend crash (61%) - The Lion King (2019) Discussion

[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

One bit of good news to actually come out of this weekend is that the International drop wasn't as steep at a reasonable 49 %.

But that domestic drop...yeesh.

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[–] Satan2016 (25525) 5 years ago

So what! It will reach a billion shortly.

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

What do you mean by "so what"?

The difference in % holds and good "legs" can mean the difference in net profits counting in the hundreds of millions.

Actually, if we are going to say "so what" about anything it would be that this is hitting a billion. With an 820 million break-even point and Beauty and the Beast having previously made 1.2 billion I would surely hope so. If it hadn't it would be an unqualified disaster.

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[–] NorrinRad (5468) 5 years ago

Actually, if we are going to say "so what" about anything it would be that this is hitting a billion. With an 820 million break-even point and Beauty and the Beast having previously made 1.2 billion I would surely hope so. If it hadn't it would be an unqualified disaster.

QueenFanUSA you do know that what you have typed is non-sensical hyperbole?

TLK2019 was going to exceed your arbitrary $820 Million WW by default and if it fell short of BATB's $1.236 Billion it would still be an unqualified success!! Why would you say that it would be an unqualified disaster? Based on what? It would have made a profit of anywhere from 1$ to $400 Million. How would that be an unqualified disaster? By crossing the $1 Billion mark it means it is already very profitable, by your standard, by $180 Million. If $260 Production and $100 Million P&A that would be a 50% return.

Please clarify.

You sound like Richard Nixon. "I am not a Troll"!!

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

Ummmm...maybe because this is a once-in-a-generation IP for Disney and if it couldn't crack a billion It would be a DISASTEROUS stewardship of said IP?

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[–] NorrinRad (5468) 5 years ago

[–] QueenFanUSA (2010) 9 hours ago
Ummmm...maybe because this is a once-in-a-generation IP for Disney and if it couldn't crack a billion It would be a DISASTEROUS stewardship of said IP?

In other words you've created a completely capricious and arbitrary "Mark of Value" (a once-in-a-generation) along with inventing a non-sensical standard (DISASTEROUS stewardship) to deride Disney leadership. You created your own "What If?" scenario for Disney to lose, yet Disney accomplishes the feat and you don't congratulate them. Odd and curious don't you think? To be consistent if you DID congratulate Disney you would be damning them with faint praise as would be your want.

Hmmmmm, if we look at Disney's Charter and see if their executives have all signed their Sarbanes-Oxley Compliance and Ethics statement I don't think any of your criteria is there. As a matter of fact your Goalposts for Disney don't exist for any company or film studio protecting their IP's.

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

We'll see where this ends up. This was a horrible hold for a family film this past weekend domestically. The writing was on the wall starting Wednesday that this may not leg out very well.

As I said before, it IS doing better internationally so that is a bright spot.

In the end it absolutely matters if a film ends up making 100- 150 million in net profit or 400 million.

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[–] furiousstyles (4391) 5 years ago

You have no idea what this film needs to gross to make a profit, please stop making out as if you know what you are talking about , things like that are beyong your childish immature pea brains.

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

It's budget is public knowledge.

Once again, you show yourself to be the dumbest person on these boards...and that's saying a LOT.

LOL

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[–] furiousstyles (4391) 5 years ago

Share the link that specifically says what this movie needs to make , a Disney source , can you share this please ?

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[–] furiousstyles (4391) 5 years ago

No link?

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[–] NorrinRad (5468) 5 years ago

So recap:

1. TLK2019 has to do better than BATB domestically. Greater than $504 Million?
2. TLK2019 has to also do better than BATB WW ($1.263 Billion)
3. Only when TLK2019 garners a $400 Million amount above $820 Million can it be called a "Success".
4. If TLK2019 doesn't exceed BATB then Disney executives misused their One-In-A-Lifetime IP and should be fired?

Is there a #5?

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

#5. It's a success but it remains to be seen how BIG of a success it is. It is possible for it to be a financial success but also an underperformer and general disappointment at the same time.

International seems to be performing as expected but my concern lies with domestic. This fell quite a bit below Beauty and the Beast's second weekend.

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[–] ultravioletx (10237) 5 years ago

You really need help.

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[–] NorrinRad (5468) 5 years ago

It is possible for it to be a financial success but also an underperformer and general disappointment at the same time.

Can you recall one time when you've stated as such about a WB or Universal film?

Godzilla?
SLOP2?
Shazam? Is Shazam! a financial success but an under-performer and disappointment in your estimation?

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

Yes.

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[–] NorrinRad (5468) 5 years ago

Four questions and a one word response of "Yes".

[–] QueenFanUSA (2018) 7 minutes ago
Yes.

Yes, you can recall one time when you've stated that a WB film and/or a Universal film was a financial success but also an under-performer and general disappointment? Curious, which film was that and when did this happen? I know better than to request that you share a "link" because that somehow is anathema to you.

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

BvS

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[–] billbrown7071 (3194) 5 years ago

Godzilla?
SLOP2?
Shazam?
BvS

^^^

I think you just admitted that you agree and consider all these films to have Under performed....

my question is, do you find it Odd that You havent made a single Thread on any of these boards Talking about/Trolling about Its Under performance?

do you think Its a little ODD or should a dare say Ummmm BIASED that You have TRIED to troll on 4 DISNEY Films that Topped 1 Billion +(CM,Avengers,Aladdin,TLK) and 1 that topped 900 M+ in TS4

Yet You have made a single Thread for films that Barely Broke even and FLOPPED in Godzilla 2, BvS and Shazam

basically what I'm getting at is, do you find it ODD that YOU are ONLY Trolling on extremely successful DISNEY films but Havent made a single Thread taking about these films under performance that you admit are flops and under performed by other studios

I'm sorry but you just completely shot yourself in the foot by trying to be honest.

You always claim That "YOU love Disney" and "You dont Troll Disney"(Of course no one believes that) but the point is, You just completely Blew that

by admitting Shazam, Godzilla 2 and BvS Under performed, You just proved you are BIASED toward Disney films

hilariously The ONLY way you could continue claiming "YOU love Disney" and "You dont Troll Disney".....was to NOT BE HONEST....and not Ever admit films from other studios are flops or under performed...

Because the moment you are honest and admit "sure Shazam under performed" or "sure Godzilla 2 Flopped"....You then have to answer the question...."well then If you not biased toward Disney films, why arent you ALSO trolling Those boards and Those films"

this is how terrible you are at trolling queen, You accidentally just trolling yourself into a corner where the ONLY possible conclusion is YOU ARE IN FACT BIASED toward Disney films

I've never seen anyone "Hang Themselves" as much as you do....You are incapable of actually "Thinking before posting"

You just say stuff and have no understanding how it contradicts past trolling

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

LOL

All I said was that BvS was a film that qualified as a financial success but also an underperformer and disappointment and you extrapolated all of this other stuff and attributed it to me.

CLASSIC billbrown dishonesty.

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[–] billbrown7071 (3194) 5 years ago

#5. It's a success but it remains to be seen how BIG of a success it is. It is possible for it to be a financial success but also an underperformer and general disappointment at the same time.

^^^^

You tried the exact same trolling tactic with Toy Story 4 and it failed...

1st you claimed it wouldnt open huge...

2nd you claimed "so what, Its got a 600 Million break even point"

then came your 3rd and last attempt at trolling where AFTER TS4 easily hit your 600 M break even point, YOU said "we have to wait and see how much more it makes to gauge if its a success or not"

lol you tried this exact trolling tactic less than a month ago with TS4 and it failed Miserably and Now your Trying it again with TLK

What I take that BACK....That wasnt your 3rd and Last attempt....It was just your 3rd

You had a 4th Attempt at Trolling....finally when you realized you couldnt call TS4 anything but a success, You desperately tried to come up with a way for you to claim "Its a success but maybe not a huge success"

and thats when you made the now HORRIFICALLY failed statement "Ya but Is it going to get closer to 800 M or 1 Billion"?

thankfully you are absolutely terrible at forecasting where a film is going to end up....so about a month ago when you said this, You WRONGLY believed TS4 was going to end up around 800 Million...which you deemed and made clear would be "a success but something to worry about if you were disney execs"

but you also made it clear that if It ended up closer to 1 Billion than 800 Million, then TS4 is a HUGE success and you would have no choice but to leave the board in Shame(which you have)

so in conclusion...

"It's a success but it remains to be seen how BIG of a success it is. "

^^

No Queen it doesnt remain to be seen.....Everyone BUT YOU already considers it an absolute Home Run

and you've already proven that Even When A Disney GOES ON to HIT YOUR EXACT CRITERI and does exactly what you said it need to do to "gauge" how big of a success it is".....You'll never admit it and instead Run,hide and abandon the board....

in about 2 in a half weeks TLK will pass the 1.3 Billion dollar mark...It will hit all The "scales" you laid out for it

You will have left the board by then and never admit that It actual was a Huge success and hit all your Marks

Instead , I and other Will just use it to ABUSE you and remind you of your failures

In the end, Just Like With Endgame When you trolled for over a month claiming "EGs holds were bad and would make it impossible to top Avatar"....It was all for nothing....You Literally trolled for over a month FOR NOTHING...The exact thing you trolled about and relentless claimed wouldnt happen happened

Just like When You Trolled for 2 Months with Captain Marvel, When all your original Predictions went down on Opening Weekend and You then moved the goal posts to the ONE remaining thing you were Most sure about and You Guaranteed over 30 times, In The end you trolled for NOTHING as Captain Marvel achieved Literally all and absolutely every single thing you promised it wouldnt.

just like when you Trolled for 3 weeks on Aladdin, Made a troll thread 1st claiming in would flop and lose Hundreds of Millions, Then 2nd claimed "so what, Its got a huge break even, it wont make much profit" then Moved to "ok it hit the break even point, now lets see how much more it make before we can gauge if its success" ....You trolled for NOTHING

Just Like With Toy Story 4-You tried the same 3 trolling attempts, saying it wont open Huge, setting a break even point, and Then claiming "now lets see how much more it makes over the break even....but this time, You added a 4th, once Aladdin Hit every Mark You set, You just couldnt let it go and now said "Ok its a Huge Success ONLY if it gets closer to 1 Billion than 800 M"....after that you werent heard of again instead you were banished from the board in complete and Utter EXILE in SHAME....but once again In the end you wasted a month, You Trolled for NOTHING....Aladdin Hit every single "Mark" you said, every trolling attempt you tired failed....

You have Literally wasted an entire year Trolling, 8 months....5 Disney films...and truly the ONLY thing you have to show for is Shame,embarrassment and failure...

In the end..you wasted 8 Months trolling on ....

The HIGHEST GROSSING MOVIE of all time

The Highest Grossing female superhero movie of all time

The Eventual Highest grossing Live action remake of all time

and a 950 Million + Mega hit

but most astonishing You wasted 8 months trolling Disney Which Is Having the Highest Grossing year in The history of Hollywood and Will not only break the record but sent it into Orbit to where no studio will ever touch it...

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[–] billbrown7071 (3194) 5 years ago

lol can you imagine how the guy feels right now who trolled on Avatar when it came out?

10 years later hes sitting around still face palming thinking "I cant believe I actually tried to troll the highest grossing movie of all time"

YOUR NOW "That Guy" Queen......You actually tried to troll the most successful and highest grossing box office film of all time....lol

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[–] alienzen (1931) 5 years ago

It is strange for a film that predominantly appeals to children to drop so heavily.

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[–] furiousstyles (4391) 5 years ago

Thoughts, it will make a billion which meets and probably exceeds expectations considering the reviews, nothing to see here , just queen being anti Disney , let’s talk about WB and universal , how many billion dollar movies did they release in the last year ??????

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

You seriously think hitting a billion is "exceeding expectations"?

lol

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[–] furiousstyles (4391) 5 years ago

No , I said probably considering the negative reviews

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[–] sokar (2098) 5 years ago

Frankly i always hold out hope that every Disney movie will fail.

Disney do not innovate they regurgitate.

Buy up what is popular and then just keep pumping the same torid tripe over and over.

Lion King is a prime example, literally no need to remake it, just watch the much better cartoon.

Let me guess they will redo all of them again in 20 years and everyone will celebrate.

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[–] billbrown7071 (3194) 5 years ago

https://deadline.com/2019/07/avengers-endgame-box-office-records-broken-russo-brothers-fandangonow-presales-1202656364/

^^^

Hey Queen how bout those presales being "Overblown".....lololol

remember a few months ago when you got onto that Absurdly Odd Trolling Tactic of claiming "everyone was Hyperventilating" ......all because It BOTHERED you that EGs presales were so astonishingly high....

You just couldnt accept what every single website,box office analyst and what all Tracking said....due to your extreme hatred for Disney, being confronted by such overwhelming Evidence that EG was tracking off the charts for Historic Box office numbers Pushed you over the edge and You decided to live in a fantasy world where "All data and Evidence MEANT NOTHING"....EG wasnt really tracking and having such high Presales, Instead You decided to believe "Everyone was Hyperventilating and Presales meant nothing because ONLINE ticketing had went through such a drastic(LOL) change in the 12 months since IW came out, The Presales PROVED NOTHING"

You lived in the delusional reality for a few months and Hilarious it hit its PEAK the NIGHT Endgame Opened, When You PREMATURELY made a thread bragging that YOU were gonna be right....

But really YOU INCORRECTLY read The deadline report and got so excited to troll, you rushed to make the troll thread instead of actually reading the whole article...

You only read the TITLE "Endgame 43 Million in Previews"

based off that, You thought your delusional reality actually came true...rushed to make a troll thread, where You Officially claimed YOU WERE RIGHT about the presales being overblown and Then in ONLY Queen fashion dug yourself a deeper hole by Claiming "a 300 Million OW for EG is now dead and it will be interesting to see if it can even match IWs OW now"

all because You got to excited to troll and didnt read the FULL article....where It actual said "EG is at 43 Million With Half the night still to go"

anyways I just wanted to bring this back up....

I didnt think it could get much worse for you.

I mean You claimed for 3 months that EGs Presale were overblown, You were relentless and said it all the time

and Then You get torpedoed in The face with a completely Unprecedented 357 Million OW proving unequivocally "NO the presales werent overblown".

you would think thats about as WRONG as YOU could possibly be.....buuuuuuuuuuuuuuutttttt.....In Queen fashion, somehow The Fails just keep coming....Now Word comes in That EG is breaking Home Media records.

all in all ....The odd trolling tactic of claiming "everyone was hyperventilating" and Your delusional refusal to accept the presales tracking reported by A Dozen or so major sites, has to go down has one of your biggest fails and In My Personal opinion, One of your most Unnecessary fails...

Why you decided to try and fight the Presales is beyond me....This shouldnt have bothered you as much as it did, You should have just Ignored from the beginning

it was one of the things EVERYONE SAW coming....Everyone knew EG was going to be Massive....You should just went into this year with the mindset...."Ok I'm not even going to worry about EG, I'll give Disney that one, Its not even worth fighting"

Instead, You strangely decided to Fight a movie that would eventually be The HIGHEST GROSSING movie of all time that broke almost every major box office record there is....

If thats not the Perfect example of how much your hatred for Disney Controls you,...I dont know what is ...

lol You couldnt help yourself...you actually tried to troll The Highest Grossing film of all time....if there was ever a film or time just to "Let one go" Is was that....But again Thats truly the level of your Hatred for Disney....

anyways....

good call on The Presales being "overblown" ....lol

357 M OW-Biggest OW ever
2.790 B-Highest Grossing Movie Ever

Over 50 Box office records domestically and overseas

and now breaking Home media records

lolololol

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[–] earl237 (1106) 5 years ago

Disney is really getting lazy. It looks like they're going to remake all of the renaissance films in just a few years. Pretty soon they'll redo Frozen. It's as bad as the late 90s when they did lame straight to video prequels and sequels.

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

Well...looking at The Lion King's horrid drop this past weekend it looks like the chickens are coming home to roost.

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[–] furiousstyles (4391) 5 years ago

But its going to pass a billion , whats come home to roost ?

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[–] billbrown7071 (3194) 5 years ago

Well...looking at The Lion King's horrid drop this past weekend it looks like the chickens are coming home to roost.

^^^

Captain Marvel-1.125 B+-Highest Grossing female SH movie of all time

Avengers Endgame-2.790 B+-Highest Grossing movie of all time

Aladdin-1 B+

Spider-Man FFH-Highest grossing SM movie of all time

Toy Story 4-950 Million +

The Lion King-1.3 Billion +-Eventually highest grossing Live action remake of all time

Disney-7 BILLION+-HIghest grossing year of all time, setting the record in only 8 months

boy Queen, I bet every other studio WOULD KILL for the "Chickens coming to roost" like Disney huh?

Epic fail as usual

PS

TLK has still hit and surpassed every single mark you set, and Then once you moved the goal posts to a new mark, It also hit and surpassed those

Its still on pace to do BATB #s both domestically and WW

at this point youve tried everything...soon you'll finally see TLK is gonna hit BATB numbers both domestically and WW and You'll be forced to abandon the board like you did with CM,EG,Aladdin,and TS4

to recap

TLK surpassed your mark for Opening Weekend

You then Moved to Break Even Point, Which TLK easily hit and surpassed in less than 10 days

You Then Moved to, claiming it was "expected" to hit 1 Billion +, so its not impressive that it topped 1 Billion

You then you came up with "TLK needed to make closer to 400 MILLION IN Profit than 150 Million in Profit", but hilariously didnt realize TLK is already guaranteed to Make over 275 Million in Profit as a minimum, easily hitting your Mark

now you are clinging to life to the HOPE and PRAYER TLK might fall a few million short of BATB domestically, I'm pretty sure you already know deep down TLK is gonna top it WW, But You are terrible at forecasting where films end up Domestically, so I still think you got a little hope there, afterall , somehow you completely were incapable of seeing CM was Pacing to top WW domestically the entire time....which lead you to your biggest trolling fail on these boards

point being....as of right now you are like "O for like 25"

so far you have TRIED to troll on CM,EG,Aladdin, TS4 and now TLK

in all 5 cases you have set and moved The goal posts 3 or 4 times on each film, and In every single case those films met and surpassed your Trolling and "Marks"

in all 5 cases, You trolled for as long as you possibly could, Moved the goals back as much as you possibly could, but finally when There was nowhere left to go, when the films hit every single Mark you set, You finally abandon the board and left in Shame to keep from having to admit they were hits and you were wrong...

right now your "0 for 3" on TLK with ONLY 1 hope left and thats hoping in comes up a few million short domestically of BATB....

I predict by next Sunday, you Will have finally realized TLK is heading for BATB numbers and You will abandon the board and Move to The Maleficent 2 board to start the process of trolling failure over again...

Hilariously though, You have absolutely NO HOPE of trolling on Maleficent 2 because You accidentally set a "scale" or standard when you were trying to defend Godzilla 2 that now makes its impossible for you to try to claim Maleficent 2 is under performing...

I think your just going to have to wait until Star War 9 to have any real hope at trolling....

You certainly want no part of Frozen 2, Disney's Next and 6th Billion dollar + film of 2019

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

LOL...so you are saying that if this falls short of BATB domestically...that isn't a disappointment?

Heck, that shouldn't have ever been a question. The frickin' LION KING? The biggest IP of all their animated classics is struggling to get above BATB? It should have been able to beat it by a country mile.

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

Ummm...bill?

Since you are setting the bar for ultimate success.domestically being if it gets close to matching the much lesser IP of BATB you may want to remember another important fact.

TLK cost a whopping 100 million more than BATB.

Now...knowing you...you will ignore this post and not answer any of it.

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[–] furiousstyles (4391) 5 years ago

So according to you queen universal and WB bring out a movie that makes 380 million or 115 million and there hot hot hot , Shazam , yesterday , Disney brings out a movie that makes over a billion and you’re critical of the drops ? Deluded and annoying just a WB dick riding troll

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

Shazam's production budget was 80-90 million. Get your facts straight.

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[–] furiousstyles (4391) 5 years ago

Do you know how to read ? Where in my post did I mention production costs? Like I said,deluded

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[–] billbrown7071 (3194) 5 years ago

Shazam's production budget was 80-90 million. Get your facts straight.

^^^

We can only go by the facts you SET Queen.....

and I'm sorry but according to YOUR own words Shazam is a failure(Or actually NOT a Success)...

While trying to troll on TS4, You set a STANDARD.....

while moving the goal posts, you claimed "TS4 had a 600 M Break even, You then said we have to wait and see how much MORE it Makes past that to GAUGE if its a success"

we can only go by your delusional trolling, and hilariously you never think about how your trolling on Disney applies to films YOU like and defend....

if we apply your exact standard to Shazam....I'm sorry in Your own words Shazam is NOT a Success....

because Shazam only made it to your Break even point, It did not make a cent more! and remember you were very clear about TS4, TS4 had to meet your break even point, then had to make a lot more before it could be deemed a success....

so I'm sorry, the budget doesnt matter for Shazam....You Standard KILLED that.....for you, and according to YOUR FACTS.....Shazam is not a success

PS

If you did want to talk budgets though...Hilariously your trolling also killed that...

you remember Christopher Robin right?

well.. You set a Break even point for that film at 200 Million....

Like Shazam, CR had a low budget of 75 Million...

You specifcally guaranteed CR would NOT top 80 Million domestically(It hit 99 Million, lol)

But you did in fact set CRs break even point at 200 Million....

and CR in fact hit 200 Million(actually 198M)

point being Shazam and CR are in identical situations...BOTH hit your break even points and didnt make a cent more......You are on record that CR is a FLOP....therefor Shazam has to also be a flop.

I'm sorry once again, YOUR OWN words and standards DOOMS Shazam...

This is what makes you the worst AT trolling on all time(note I said "worst at trolling" instead of "worst troll")....Its not that You always are wrong and fail on a 90% + basis....whats makes you the "worst at trolling" is....YOUR TROLLING actually DOOMS films you and like defend more than the Disneys films your actually trying to troll

You never think about how your trolling could apply to films you like....

You say things while TRYING to troll on Disney films, and those Disney films goes on to surpass your trolling/"marks", but hilariously Films "you like" dont meet those trolling standards you set...

again there is no better example for this than you awful trolling on Aladdin....

You had no choice but to say ""ok so what that TS4 hit its 600 M break even, now we have to wait and see how much MORE it Makes past that to GAUGE if its a success"

once TS4 hit the mark, your Hatred controlled you, You couldnt just admit the film was a hit, You had to move the goal posts

but Hilariously The NEW GOAL you set, TS4 easily achieved....the goal of "It now has to make MUCH MORE past its break even point for it to be success" was easily achieved by TS4

but A film you like and defend in Shazam COULD NOT achieve that Goal...It could not meet those standards you set for the Disney film

It actually isnt easy to be this awful at trolling...Queen Its actually hard to fail so badly at trolling that not only do you fail to successfully troll on the Disney film you trying to troll but you accidentally DOOM a film you like and defend instead...

I always tell you your trolling ONLY results in shame,embarrassment and failure...but really, Your trolling is MOST damaging to YOU....

your trolling doesnt just fail, It actually hurts films you like and defend more than your intended targets of Disney films...

lol

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

Yesterday is from Universal and it only cost 26 million.

The Lion King?

260 million before marketing and distribution costs.

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[–] furiousstyles (4391) 5 years ago

So lion king made more profit and more money for Disney , well done you , so lion king is hot hot hot and yesterday no very hot

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[–] NorrinRad (5468) 5 years ago

Since you are setting the bar for ultimate success domestically being if it gets close to matching the much lesser IP of BATB you may want to remember another important fact.

TLK cost a whopping 100 million more than BATB.

This is a totally new approach to find a wedge to attempt to deride Disney. IP? I'll take a go at that. Here try this on for size:

Which studio had the greater IP value WB/DC or Disney/Marvel? Let's see: Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, Flash, etc surely had more IP Market Value, IP Film Value, IP Social Awareness Value and IP Capitalization Potential Value than any Disney/Marvel character wouldn't you say? Inter-company (external to the company or the market at-large) and Intra-Company (inside the company exclusively) DC towered over Marvel in films with DC's, ahem, IP Capitalization. Did you ever bring up IP then? **crickets**

Is Warner/DC embarrassed that their High-Value IP of Batman and Superman grossed less than Wonder Woman and Aquaman? Curious, I don't remember you EVER mentioning that? I just made up a new hammer against WB/DC. RIPV (Reduced-Intellectual-Property-Value) that has infected the portfolio of characters belonging to WB/DC. I believe WB/DC leads the industry in RIPVs to the point that the Justice League is diminished by the sum of the parts. If the IP of Cyborg is included in JL the total IP of JL goes down. How does THAT happen? Who would do such a thing and devalue their own IP film product. yet you didn't say a word about IP then.

Let's move over to Universal and their IP. Let's pick SLOP and SLOP2.

How do you take an IP, increase the budget by $5 Million and achieve a result that diminishes the OW by greater than 50%, decreases the Domestic take by greater than 50% and see the total WW fall by greater than 50% and QueenFanUSA doesn't say a word. Not word one.

How are the holds? How are the legs? Why spend more on an IP and make less, considerably, demonstrably and objectively less and you not sound the **RED ALERT** early warning system? https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Warning+Red+Alert+Sounds&&view=detail&mid=FB7DA52F38FA10BBB781FB7DA52F38FA10BBB781&&FORM=VRDGAR

Miss me with this IP crap that you are suddenly peddling!!

[–] QueenFanUSA (2035) 6 days ago
Ummmm...maybe because this is a once-in-a-generation IP for Disney and if it couldn't crack a billion It would be a DISASTEROUS stewardship of said IP?

You don't care about IP. You've NEVER EVER cared about IP. You're just hoping that TLK2019 doesn't gross as much as BATB2017 even though the film will have netted over $300+ Million in profit for Disney by even your own loosey-goosey breakeven formula.

You've NEVER been embarrassed by the Fast and Furious returns on investment, profits from one film to the next, given their ever increasing budget. You don't even care if the IP value of the Fast and Furious will be damaged by this Hobbs & Shaw spin-off.

You've never said word-one about the IP value of Harry Potter versus the Fantastic Beasts spin-off prequels have you? Have you ever posted that WB should be embarrassed if Fantastic Beasts makes more than the individual films of HP?

And you say that you don't troll and now you're trawling? Here's a definition:

an act of sifting through something as part of a search.

You're looking for something, anything to hammer Disney with in your never-ending tirade against all things or anything related to Disney performance.

Yet you say you don't Troll but you will accuse BillBrown of being dishonest by uber-posting facts and opinions about you, what you post and why you post.

Yet you say you don't Troll?

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[–] billbrown7071 (3194) 5 years ago

LOL...so you are saying that if this falls short of BATB domestically...that isn't a disappointment?

Heck, that shouldn't have ever been a question. The frickin' LION KING? The biggest IP of all their animated classics is struggling to get above BATB? It should have been able to beat it by a country mile.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^lolool

NIGHTMARE Weekend again for you queen

TLK now Guaranteed to top BATB BOTH Domestically and WW...Will top WW by next sunday

and wait for it.....Toy Story 4 now guaranteed to hit the 1 Billion + mark....

PS

I love that you have now moved the goal posts for a 6th time to "It should have been able to beat it by a country mile."

as I said its clear, You were starting to realize TLK was in fact going to BATB numbers....and You had 2 choices....Abandon the board in Shame like you did with CM,EG,Aladdin and TS4....Or Move the goal Posts again

trolling attempt 1----It Wont Open Huge-opens over 60 M+ than you predicted and as the highest Live action remake

Trolling Attempt 2---Its got a 820 M Break Even-TLK passes it in Less an 10 days

Trolling Attempt 3---"Ummm Its not impressive that It hit 1 Billiion, Its was expected"

Trolling Attempt 4---"TLK need to top BATB Both Domestically and WW , This is a once in a generation IP"

Trolling Attempt 5---"TLK needs to make closer to 400 M in Profit than 150 M"--didnt realize TLK was already guaranteed at MINIMUM of 275 Million in Profit at the time you made the statement, Now guaranteed over 300M"

Trolling attempt 6---"It should have been able to beat it by a country mile"----as suspected The realization has FINALLY hit you TLK is going to top BATB, In ONLY took you an extra 2 weeks to finally see it while the rest of the world saw it after OW.....Now after every single thing you have tried and said has failed, You move the goal again to something you havent once mentioned before....

Queen you Lost....

to really put into perspective just how disastrous this year has been for you, we need to look at the films you ATTEMPTED and Ultimately FAILED to troll on....The level of success these films had is what makes your trolling such a fail....

here a recap, of the success and accomplishments of the films you tried to troll on

You tried to Troll on "The Highest Grossing Movie of all time in The 2.790 B+ Endgame"

You tried to Troll on The "Highest grossing female superhero movie of all time in the 1.125 B+ Captain Marvel" a film

You Tried to Troll on Aladdin, Which Turned out to be An UBER monster hit topping 1 Billion + and was The "Highest grossing film of Will Smith's career"

You tried to Troll on Toy Story 4, "Which Is now Guaranteed to top 1 Billion +"

You tried to troll on TLK Which is now guaranteed to be "The Highest grossing live action remake of all time"

You tried to troll on 5 films that top 1 Billion +

You tried to troll on Disney which is having the "Greatest and highest grossing year in Hollywood history" topping the 7 Billion dollar mark in ONLY 8 months

The question has to be asked "are you just this dumb?"

You have trolled yourself into a situation here, I dont see how you come out of?

again The question has to be asked "If this isnt success? what is?"

If you are trolling on the greatest year in hollywood history, If you are trolling on films that are literally having The single greatest success of all tim, Then how on earth can any film be successful to you?

by letting your hatred control you and You trolling on films that have had such obvious incredible success, You have trolled yourself into a corner to where I just dont see how you could ever claim ANY film is a success again

I mean you like WB and Universal....You know your going to want to claim a future WB or Universal film is a hit?

but the question is How can you do that now?

You've trolled yourself into this weird place, where you proven NOT EVEN being the highest grossing movie ever made is impressive to you, NOT EVEN producing 5 films that top 1 Billion + in the same year is impressive to you...

I mean I remember in 2018, You bragged about WB having a great year, Producing many "small hits"....Youve basically just forfeited the right to ever brag about anything like that again....WB's "2018" now has to be an absolute failure to YOU....

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[–] billbrown7071 (3194) 5 years ago

by trolling on Disney's 2019.....I'm sorry You can no longer claim "WB had a Great Year in 2018"

these are things you really need to think about, You need to try ad get your hatred for Disney under control...

I get it, Their success KILLS YOU ....But there are times to fight and times when FIGHTING can ONLY be damaging to YOU...

you ultimately tried and failed to troll on 5 Disney films that went on to top 1 Billion + and Literally passed every single "Mark" you set for them...These films in 3 of the 5 literally were the most success films of Their Genre, Meaning They literally had The Greatest Success ever seen!....and You trolled for weeks trying to claim these films were "Under performing" before ultimately leaving the boards to shame

In The end, again I ask, "how can you be this dumb?"

excluding the fact the you truly have trolled now for 8 months in 2019 and honest have nothing to show for it but shame,failure and embarrassment where you went a combined "0 for 30ish" on CM,EG,Aladdin,TS4 and TLK...

Lets set that aside for a moment...

How could you be that dumb to fall into the trap of Trolling on some of the most successful films off all time and Trolling on LITERALLY the greatest year in Hollywood history?

how could you not have any point stopped yourself and realized by doing this, You troll yourself into a corner where you can never be taken seriously again, where you can never claim any movie is a success again

how did you not see, You were sacrificing Your SOUL By Trolling on such success films

how did you not see, trolling on films that literally had The Greatest success of ALL TIME could ONLY be damaging to you?

how could you NOT ask yourself the question "what a minute, I claimed all last year WB was having a great year for having a bunch of small hits that dont even add up to half of what Disney's doing this year, wait, maybe this isnt a good idea to troll on Disneys 2019, I mean dear, god, If I troll on Disney's 2019 how can I ever claim WB had a great 2018 with such LESSER HITS"

Your trolling has went from BAD...To Awful....To FAKE....to Delusional......to NOW to just DAMAGING toward YOU!

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[–] NorrinRad (5468) 5 years ago

This reply belongs on this board as TLK2019 deserves just so much more QueenFanUSA bumpage love. Seeing as how just utterly fantastic TLK2019 is doing at the Domestic Box Office! Meanwhile over on The Joker board:

[–] QueenFanUSA (2145) 3 minutes ago
Also, I have specified time and time again that TLK2019 is a great success that performed magnificently internationally but I am of the opinion that it underperformed DOMESTICALLY.

I wonder just HOW well TLK2019 is doing Domestically? If only there was some place I could go and get some numbers? Some way to compare it to other films?

12...Rogue One: A Star Wars Story.....BV......$532,177,324.....2016
13...The Lion King (2019)……….BV...………...$523,578,926............….2019
14....Beauty and the Beast (2017)........BV...….$504,014,165...…….2017

There are opinions, and then there are results. There are "gut" feelings, and then there are tables and charts and graphs. Figures wont lie, but liars will figure. I'm not calling you a liar but your opinion is rather worthless given the figures. Deal with it.

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

...and by those numbers it is my opinion that TLK2019 underperformed domestically. It's going to be just 25-30 million over BATB and The Lion King was always the much bigger property.

It's my opinion..."deal with it".

You are the one following ME around. If there is anyone that has issues to "deal with" I'm afraid it's you.

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[–] furiousstyles (4391) 5 years ago

Id say they are even in terms of property , TLK has done great domestically , i really dont see how you can say it underperformed , i imagine Disney execs are over the moon with those numbers.

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

Fair enough, but I THINK that Disney execs expected more domestically.

Remember...The Lion King and Beauty and the Beast are from the same era(only 2 1/2 years apart) and TLK made more than double what BATB made. In all of the press leading up to it's release this was being referred to as the biggest of them all in terms of live-action remakes. And it ended up being just THAT. However, I do think there was potential for this to have soared, easily, past the 600 million or even 700 million mark if it had connected with audiences better. For a family film...the holds were below average here in the States.

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[–] kuku (3510) 5 years ago

Disney is really getting lazy. It looks like they're going to remake all of the renaissance films in just a few years.

It's not lazyness. The problem is that they don't have anything else. Marvel cycle is done, and Star Wars is doomed. They ran out of golden franchises (btw, saying this is racism according to some user). These reboots are working, but they only have 2-3 more left. And then... well... they'll enter 'brace yourselves' territory.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

idiot

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