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Episode 3 addressing transgender issues (albeit awkwardly) now episode 4 bashing religion


LOL what's next

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The religion bashing was quite blatant IMO.

In addition, their explanation of how the universe was created out of nothing was quite arguably wrong. If there was nothing before, there can't be anything now. I don't know if a higher power exists, but I do know that our science doesn't have a clue why there's anything beyond nothingness.

To state how the universe was created definitively is drawing a conclusion with *zero* facts.

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It wasn't bashing religion; it was bashing blind adherence to dogma. There's a difference. Of course, if you're one of those who blindly adhere to dogma, you're going to argue with that.

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Of course, if you're one of those who blindly adhere to dogma, you're going to argue with that.



Try reading my comment again, particularly the third sentence.

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OK. Are you trying to make an argument? What does the belief that the universe being created out of nothing have to do with blindly adhering to dogma? My point is that anyone who blindly adheres to dogma is going to treat any discussion on the subject as "religion bashing." There was nothing in the episode that suggested religion is wrong, or bad. Only killing and torturing people because you blindly adhere to dogma, that is, you refuse to listen to any belief that doesn't line up exactly with your own. Which the characters in the episode were pretty clearly doing.

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Sorry, missed your reply.

My point is that anyone who blindly adheres to dogma is going to treat any discussion on the subject as "religion bashing."


I'm somewhere between an agnostic and an outright atheist, so I've got no dog in that fight. But that episode clearly gave the bad points of religion without either showing or even discussing any of the positive aspects. All it showed was intolerance. Any treatment of a subject that shows one side but not the other is not a "discussion".


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Spirituality is right, good, natural and normal for human beings. Spirit naturally yearns to be One with the Grand Spirit, hence Spirituality.

Religions are wrong, bad, artificial fabrications, abnormal for human beings, good for controlled apes and primitive half-animals.

This fact never changes, the religions are always used to control the simple-minded, who think they are clever for having a blind belief in nonsensical dogma.

The names of the religions change; it was christianity (though it had almost nothing to do with the Christ, and most priests even today don't understand Christ's teachings), and now it's science and atheism, and of course our most popular religion today, nihilism.

The names and methods of the religions change, but the core facts remain. Human beings are spiritual, and religions always try to keep the spirit controlled. True spirituality can only exist outside religions.

Religions can serve a useful purpose, though, the same way that the lines on a paper help you learn how to write properly. But once you learn how to express yourself freely, you can write more beautifully and freely without the lines.

After this point, those lines will only limit, restrict and robotize you and your expressions.

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Star Trek TNG - 3x04 - Who Watches the Watcher

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"A primitive culture worships Picard and prepares to offer Troi as a sacrifice."

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