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One of the stupidest movies I've ever seen! (Spoilers galore!)



I only went to see this turd because two web sites mentioned it as a possible nominee for Best Picture Oscar. WOW! Was I ever misled! I give it a 3/10, and I'm being generous. That's two hours of my life I'll never get back again.

Where do I begin? First the total lack of originality. This is nothing more than a ridiculous mashup of The Creature From the Black Lagoon and Splash. But at least in Splash Tom Hanks fell in love with Daryl Hannah. Here Hawkins falls in love with a hideous gill creature. Not only that, it's implied that they have sex! Eeeeeuuuwww! GROSS! Bestiality! YUCK! That is some sick and disgusting stuff there! 😣 And it was obvious that is was just a man in a rubber suit.
I don't like CGI, but maybe they should have used some in this bomb.

Now the stupidity:

1. In a top secret government lab, they let the cleaning women have pretty much total access to the room where they're storing a valuable "asset".

2. Hawkins' character Eliza and her fellow cleaning woman are instructed to clean up the room after a bloody attack on Michael Shannon's character. Huh? Security?? Secrecy??

3. Michael Shannon's character Strickland is a cardboard cartoon villain. He's mean just for the sake of being mean. And the government allows him to abuse this valuable "asset"?? PUH-lease! And did I mention that Shannon chews the scenery something fierce?

4. Then Eliza is able to just waltz into the room and have lunch with the creature, multiple times! And then play music for it?? Are you friggin' kidding me?? Who the hell is in charge of security here? Mickey Mouse??

5. Eliza and her co-conspirators are able to get into a top secret lab and make off with the creature?? What??

6. Eliza moves one of the security cameras, and nobody notices?? Yikes!!

7. The government is so possessive of this valuable asset. But what do they plan to do with it?
Kill it! Are you kidding? Even the government is not that stupid, except in this turd.

8. She fills the bathroom with water (to make love with the creature YUCK!) which leaks into the cinema below, and nobody calls the cops? Or at least a plumber? Right!

9. Strickland sees the words rain/canal and knows exactly where to find the lovers?? Yeah right!

10. Instead of diving into the canal to be free, the creature stops to say goodbye which allows Strickland to shoot him and Eliza? Holy cliche, Batman!

OH THE HUMANITY! This film was STUPID STUPID STUPID! I'm never going to pay attention to that web site again!

Bottom Line: Do NOT waste your time and money on this monstrosity. Go see "Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri" instead. Now there's a good film!



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I think I will pass based on your review.

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Glad to help my fellow film fan.

Now having said all that, to be fair, I will concede that it is a fantasy, and a fantasy requires the suspension of disbelief.
I just couldn't do it with this film. I'm not that much into fantasy. I'm more into sci-fi, mystery and horror, like with the excellent Netflix series "Black Mirror". It's rated 8.9 on IMDB, and richly deserves that rating. I've only seen three episodes
so far, but I give it a 9/10.


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You read a review with ten listed detailed spoilers before you decided to see a film?

Either you are being sarcastic or you are choosing a poor way of selecting films.

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I watched 30 mins of the movie and I agree with the OP

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I found this film to be one of the best of the year. I see your opinion I guess I just have to respectfully disagree. This in my opinion is Del Tor's best film since Pan's Labyrinth.

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That's why they make chocolate and vanilla, Tect. I respect your opinion, and BTW it's the opinion of a lot of critics who have indicated they think this is an Oscar contender.


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I know different strokes for different folks. After seeing this I know Guillermo del Toro would be the perfect director to helm a Bioshock film.

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True.


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Perhaps so, but that film was very odd also.


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Completely agree with ALL you wrote but Eliza DID confirm that she slept with the creature to her coworker the next day. The big smile on her face made the coworker ask her and Eliza described with her hand movements "how" the creature's "member" popped out. Hilarious and unbelievable! And yes gross.

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Yep, I realize that, but was no less grossed out by it. Also totally unbelievable. Yuck.


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She's messed in the head. This is how we got human aids and such cause dumb humans fuck anything these days be it monkeys or pigs, etc.

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I don't believe anybody in the scientific or medical communities believes the first human to contract HIV/AIDS got it through sex; I thought it was understood it was likely through the consumption of an animal carrying the virus.

The creature also wouldn't have HIV/AIDS because of his ability to heal himself, and were Sally Hawkins to get it, he would be able to heal her.

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Yeah it through human consumption but it fit well with the OP. :p

Must've missed the healing part, might need to re-watch... might.

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Oh my God I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH ALL YOU WROTE MOVIE MAN! Especially about the security issues and her going back and forth to eat with the creature at her leisure! Say whaattt? And why the eff did they spend all that time and money and energy to bring this creature to this lab only to KILL IT??? Are you kidding me? What happened to the plot line where they were considering sending it into space? And she DID "make love" with it! Remember she pretty much confirmed it with her friend the next day when she described how it does have a "thing that opens up." Yucch is right. Bestiality, indeed. Waste of money How is this nominated for ANY award????

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I have no clue why anyone who nominate this for an award. And bestiality, especially with the HIDEOUS creature?? Seriously?? YUCK!!


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You can easily call it bestiality, she might as well of fucked a gorilla using sign language, that’s the dumb level of intellect the sea creature performed throughout the movie.

Half the time I got the impression that he was more interested in eggs than he was in her!

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Just when you think Hollyweird can't go any lower.....


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They kind of ripped off the look of this movie from Amelie and Delicatessen, but it was still OK otherwise. Not a great film though.

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A ridiculous piece of crap IMHO.


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Agreed with everything in the OP.

Nothing interesting or redeemable about the movie.

Absolutely terrible

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The OP needs a milltown, for heaven's sake.

Simmmmmmeerrrrr dooowwwn. It's just a movie.

That said, I agree that it is very overrated, although not terrible. I think Sally Hawkins makes the film worthwhile,
and it's an agreeable way to spend a Saturday night at the movies.

Two problems for me (which the OP did not mention): It's 30 minutes too long! This plays like the "director's
cut." Secondly, the gay character, played by the reliable and talented Richard Jenkins, is too clichΓ©: You know,
lonely, middle-aged gay man, who has nothing to do but watch old movies with his mute "fag hag." Nothing
original there.

Also agree that the rubber suit is poorly designed and somewhat laughable. The eyes are incredible, but the
mouth is way too "human."

I think the film works in its attention to period-detail, and a superb cast. But I can't imagine sitting through it
a second time.

As for the sex, I think it works that the two fall in love, but the sex scenes border on unintentional humor. The
water stuff is beautifully photographed, but silly and devoid of logic.

I also feel the Astaire/Rogers dance knock-off simply adds length and pretension.



Pleasant at moments, very well acted, but, again, very overrated.

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A milltown??

BTW, a very intelligent review. You apparently liked it more than I. I still think it was ridiculous, gross and sick. Very sick. Bestiality Porn.


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OP, I couldn't agree more. My rating for this disgusting load of crap is 1/10.

Do I have to mention the very unrealistic screen script? The super maniqueistic plot? The shallow and cartoonish villain played by Michael Shannon (btw why did they waste Shannon in this crappy movie?)

I mean, this is bestiality porn in a very poorly executed movie. People may say it's not bestiality and that the creature had human consciousness, I disagree. That creature behaves like a chimp almost the entire movie. That sex scene between her and the creature LITERALLY made my stomach churn. But that wasn't the worst thing.

We also had a guy wearing a laughable rubber suit to pretend he's a sea creature. Damn, some CGI would definitely be good there. But that's not the worst thing, either.

The most astonishingly ridiculous and laughable scene in this movie for me is when she and the sea creature dance like old Hollywood stars. Give me a break. It looked like the cheapest parody I have ever seen. Seriously, is Guillermo del Toro trying to do some social experiment here and see how far he can get ? See how long people will keep applauding his crap?

If this movie gets the Best Picture Academy Award, 10 years from now people will be saying ; the 90th Academy Award Best Picture Winner was a story about a woman who has sex with a sea creature. Art is definitely decaying at a very fast rate nowadays.

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Amen, Scarlet. I couldn't have said it better myself. Bestiality Porn. That's a great description for this garbage, and the disgusting sex scene made my stomach churn also. And Michael Shannon was wasted. The snowflakes probably liked it though. Sick.


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Again, I didn't love the picture, but enjoyed the actors, color, attention to detail. But I kept waiting for it to END,
and was NOT moved by the ending.

I didn't find the sex scenes gross, as much as laughable.

Two and a half stars out of four (meaning it's a fair movie).

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Moronic, disgusting, and boring bestiality porn. I give it a 3/10, meaning it's a lousy movie.


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I liked everything you said in this thread until 'snowflakes.' Your opinions on this film are more than fair and are very well thought out. You also take a great approach to those whose opinions differ from yours.

The word 'snowflake' is used today by 45, who will likely go down as the second worst president of all time after Buchanan, and the likes of Bill O'Reilly, a man who choked his wife in front of their daughter and threw her down a flight of stairs sometime around when he non-consensually masturbated to a woman on the phone 3 times.

I don't know why you would think people who voted for Sanders or Clinton would like this movie; while leftists likely like artistic films more than rightists and rightists tend to prefer war porn like American Sniper and Hacksaw Ridge and MCU movies, I don't believe leftists are more in favor of bestiality.

Your thoughts on the movie are right on. Your dismissive use of the word 'snowflake' is not.

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So I'm like one for two, right? That's a batting average of .500! Not too shabby!


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It's better than Ted Williams'. I would encourage you to keep posting original things like your thoughts on film and stop using cliche words that Breitbart uses. Nobody but Breitbart and Fox News takes Breitbart seriously. And maybe the leader of Hungary.

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Thanks, but I disagree on your comment about Breitbart. I would say more than half the country takes them seriously. Remember about 40% of Americans identify as conservatives. Only about 20% identify as liberal.


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I'm curious where you get those numbers, but it's not too important since Breitbart isn't just conservative; it's a radical, racist, sexist fake news source. (It's actual fake news, unlike CNN, which while it may be the Clinton News Network, does report things that are actually happening, albeit with a liberal slant.) I doubt very much though that the likes of Margaret Hoover read Breitbart. I don't think a majority of registered Republicans are avid Breitbart readers.

And we're away from movies, which is what this site is supposed to be for.

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They're pretty accurate statistics based on everything I've heard and read. And I don't give a crap what Republicans read. I'm not a Republican, I'm a Conservative and a Libertarian. Many establishment Republicans are almost as bad as Democrats. The key word here is "almost".

Oh, and BTW, you do realize that this is the "General Discussion" board, right? What are you afraid of?


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I'm relatively new to MovieChat but I believe I'm in the Shape of Water forum. What am I missing?

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Missing? Just read the posts, dude. And welcome aboard! We have fun here.


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So this isn't the General Discussion.

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Correct. This is the "The Shape of Water" board.

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I have to ask, did any of you look at the movie posters before going to this film?

It is pretty obvious what the film is about.

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No I did not, but I saw the preview, so I kind of knew what it was about. The only reason I saw it is because it was being talked about as a possible Oscar for Best Picture. One of my "hobbies" is to see all of the nominated films before the Oscar Ceremony.

It's still a gross and stupid movie, bestiality porn. If it wins the Oscar it will be a new low for Hollyweird. But I guess that would be appropriate in this year of the whole rape culture being outed.

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The sex scene between Michael Shannon's character and his wife qualifies more as "porn", than anything between
Eliza and the creature. And it's a creature of fiction (more like an alien), so "bestiality" is pushing it a bit, don't
you think? It's not like she's doing it doggie style with a collie, for heaven's sake.

One odd thing about our differences: I saw the trailer first as well, and was already somewhat disappointed. But I
heard such good word of mouth that I went. It was artistic, well-acted, and thoughtful, but also unintentionally
funny, overlong, and pretentious. I thought it was okay, but very highly overrated.

Please try to not be nasty because I only partially agree with you. Everyone's entitled to their opinion.

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Okay, I will not be nasty. However, sex with a gil man or sex with a collie, by definition, is bestiality. Look it up, ben.
And it is sick, sick, sick.


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There is no such thing as a gil man, so bestiality hardly qualifies.

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Actually a gil man does exist in this movie's universe, so yeah, bestiality. Sick and disgusting.


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Whatever makes ya feel good, pal.

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Actually it makes me a bit ill.


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