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I hate to say this, but the film "I, Tonya" is one movie that I'm going to put on my "don't see" list, because I feel that Tonya Harding, as a person in real life, is not very smart, plus she is also nasty, arrogant, a consummate liar, plus she never admits when she's in the wrong. It's bad enough that she was involved in the master-minding and planning of an incident that resulted in the potentially crippling physical injury to and forcible removal of a rival competitor (Nancy Kerrigan) from competition, and still continues to deny her involvement in this whole sordid incident, even today. The fact that Tony knowingly obstructed the investigation and prosecution of Jeff Gillooly and his goons caused her to lose her skating career for good, and well it should have. No matter what Tonya's reason for doing this latter thing, even if she made that deal in order to avoid a jail sentence, obstructing the investigation and prosecution of Jeff Gillooly and his goons was still a crime, which she payed for with the loss of a very promising figure skating career.
It's too bad, in a way, because Tonya Harding was an exceptionally talented figure skater, but, if one is going to play the asshole, they're going to pay, sooner or later.
Having gone through some difficulties in my past that I won't disclose here on moviechat.org, a woman with a difficult past and severe health problems such as Tonya Harding's would ordinarily earn my respect and admiration. Given the fact that Tonya was involved in an incident that resulted in physical injury to a rival competitor, and the fact that she knowingly obstructed the investigation and prosecution of Jeff Gillooly (her ex-husband), however, I felt, and still feel that I cannot muster any sympathy and support for her, in good conscience.
I'll also add, however, that the fact that Tonya also made a totally unprovoked attack on her (now-ex) boyfriend with a hubcap, seriously injuring him, and therefore bringing a police warrant down on her own head also contributed to the permanent loss of her promising skating career.
I would be willing to see it, except they don't follow the true story, like Argo. I really don't see the point of turning reality into fiction.
shareArgo was a true story? Coming from this Canadian, Argo was a fabrication based on a lot of hyperbole from Americans.... namely Ben Affleck who lessened the role that our Ambassador Ken Taylor played in it all. Argo is a work of fiction because it did not give to Canada what we deserved. And Affleck truly made Victor Garber, a Canadian, playing Taylor a joke. I'll never forgive Affleck for that.
sharemeant that Argo was a fabrication
shareMy apologies. And yes on this film. There is only one person here who is not being taken consideration and that is Nancy Kerrigan. She is the one who was hurt here. Harding is just damn lucky she didn't get sent to prison. That Robbie played her is disgraceful and she's being considered for Sharon Tate in the Tarantino movie that will also be more about the criminals than the actual victims.
shareAnother point that makes great, good sense, prometheus1816. Without having seen "I, Tonya" (although I did see the trailer online.), I've come to the same conclusion that Kerrigan wasn't taken into consideration all, especially since she was the one who got injured. The fact that Tonya Harding escaped prison for her conspiracy to obstruct the investigation and prosecution of Jeff Gillooly and his henchmen (all of who did go to prison, btw.), and for an unprovoked assault on Darren Silver (a now ex-boyfriend of hers) with a hubcap, seriously injured him, and got a police warrant down on her head. Tonya lost her promising figure skating career due to those two acts of arrogance, lawlessness, and stupidity, and she brought on her own ruination.
shareMy feelings on this is that as always, we focus in on the criminal, never the victim. I've been involved since 1977 in the campaign to keep the Manson Family behind bars. These days it's getting harder to make the parole board understand the stain these crimes had on the nation. Moreso the toll it's taken on the families of the victims like Sharon Tate's mother and sister who both died of Cancer. Doris Sharon's mother died of brain Cancer, and Patti her youngest sister died of Breast Cancer. Now it could have been said that the Cancer could have reared its head at any point, however, the constant stress of having to attend parole hearings and the constant vigilance of trying to keep them in prison made the Cancer more aggressive, I think. That there is always a film that looks at the criminal rather than the grief or the plight of the victim shows we don't have the compassion for those who went through the event. Look at Tarantino who is going to be making a film on the Manson killings. Once again looking at the killers rather than the victims.
shareNowadays, it's the "in" thing to look at things solely from the criminals' point of view, rather than those of the victim(s), if one gets the drift. It's disgusting.
Lots of people claim that Tonya Harding was the victim here. It's not true, really. Sure, she had a messed up childhood, but that doesn't excuse the fact that she not only got involved in the masterminding/planning of an incident that resulted in a potentially crippling physical injury to a rival figure-skating competitor, but conspired to obstruct the investigation and prosecution of Jeff Gillooly (now Jeff Stone) and his henchmen, not to mention her unprovoked physical assault on a now-ex boyfriend of hers with a hubcap, injuring him and bringing a police warrant down on her own head.
I just don't buy into the notion that Tonya Harding was a victim here.
If I may be straightforward here, Tonya Harding to me always came off as a hard piece of rough road. I seriously doubt anyone could have "made" her do anything she didn't want to do. That she was even able to compete in the same competition after that assault means she won.... really. She should never have been able to compete. The Olympic Committee showed very bad judgement in my opinion in allowing her to compete and it also set a very bad precedent in terms of if anyone does something wrong, they won't get really punished for it. Bad acts result in no punishment.
As for the "in" thing.... There was a film back in the 80s called "My Name Is Adam" with actor Daniel J. Travanti (Hill Street Blues) as John Walsh whose son Adam was abducted from a mall. His head was found two months later. The telepic is just heartbreaking and showed what grief a family goes through. The scene in which Walsh (Travanti) had appeared on ABC's Goodmorning America in the morning, then gets the news of Adam's discovery, is gutwrenching to watch. Walsh tore up the hotel room because he was so grief struck. Walsh said Travanti did a pretty good job at showing the amount of anger and anguish he and his wife Reve went through when they found out. That telepic was amazing. As was the original 1976 film "Helter Skelter" starring George DiCenzo as Bugliosi and Steve Railsback as Manson. They didn't glorify Manson like the 2004 CBS telepic did starring Bruno Kirby (Bugliosi) and Jeremy Davies (Manson).
Glorifying the criminal does little to further the cause of humanity. It just shows that if you do those "bad acts" you'll get rewarded with a few books written about you, and a big Hollywood star to play you in the film. I'm sure Harding is sitting there with that smirk I'd love to smack off of her face, knowing Margo Robbie played her. And now Robbie will go on to play Sharon Tate in the Tarantino picture. All around it's disgraceful.
You've made some other good points, prometheus1816. It's agreed...Tonya Harding should've been made to stay home and not go to Lillehammer, Norway, to participate in the competition. Tonya Harding, to me, has always come off as an extremely hedonistic, nasty, bad-tempered and arrogant individual, who knows nothing about how to take responsibility for her actions and behaviors. She's always ready to blame other people.
The reason that Tonya Harding was allowed to compete in Lillehammer, Norway during the 1994 winter Olympics is because she threatened the Olympic Committee with a 25 million-dollar lawsuit, which they didn't want to deal with. It's agreed, however that the Olympic Committee used bad judgement when they caved in and allowed her to compete in the Olympics that winter after she threatened to sue them.
I think you're also right when you say that nobody could've made Tonya Harding do anything she didn't want to do, and I'm inclined to believe that the assault on Kerrigan was Tonya Harding's idea, and/or she was involved in the masterminding and planning of the attack on Kerrigan. Tonya Harding, at an extremely young age, had already made a name for herself in the figure-skating world, Nancy Kerrigan was edging in on her, at the time, and Tonya felt threatened by her.
Although I neither saw the film or read the book about this horrific incident, I remember hearing about the case in which John Walsh's son, Adam was abducted from a mall, and his head was found two months later. That was horrific. It's not surprising that John Walsh tore up the hotel room in real life due to being so grief-stricken, after having received the news of the discovery of Adam's head.
I also remember the Mansons and the Tate murders. That was rather horrific. I was a kid who'd just graduated from high school that past June, and it was a crazy time anyway, but the Tate murders at the hands of the Mansons was really horrendous. Ugh!
Good points, prometheus1816. Argo was a fabrication based on a lot of hyperbole from the United States, plus, after seeing "The Town", I have refused to see any movie that starred Ben Affleck in it.
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