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I thought that Jeff was a coward

posted 9 years ago by linda60639
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then it occurred to me that maybe he wasn't as much as a coward as I thought he was. If I had to put myself in his shoes, or in the shoes of a prisoner in a minimum security jail like Clark County, would I have behaved any differently?

I am not the toughest woman that I know, far from it, but if someone were to hit me, I would try my damndest to hit them back. I am not the best fighter, actually I avoid physical confrontations, but no one will hit me with impunity. I would not allow myself to be bullied, but if I could avoid being bullied by making a bully my friend, I would try to accomplish that. Why fight if you don't have to?

That being said, I am not sure that I should fault Jeff for taking the easy way out. If paying a few dollars in commissary could bring me the comfort of a lower bunk, why not pay it? After all, is there another choice open to him? Challenge the person on the lower bunk to a fight? Would that be right? And ok, he gave Roby some of his commissary. It was only a few bucks worth, that's a pretty cheap price to pay for a potential protector. Is the gift of a food tray considered a sign of weakness? Or was he just being nice to a friend? If the former, then how come when Zac's friend gave him half his tray nobody thought his friend was weak. Befriending the a$$hole Martin who later wanted him to pay "protection dues" may not have been his best move, but the dude was popular and support from him may have kept Jeff from having to fight other more loathsome inmates. Again a small price to pay for peace of mind.

And who is to say that if Jeff had to fight an inmate that others wouldn't have jumped in? I could understand Jeff not wanting to take that chance.

Ricky's attack did come out of the blue. Maybe Jeff could have held his own or at least defended himself better against Ricky if he had an inkling of what was coming? He was sucker punched and Jeff seemed to react like he had difficulty believing what had just happened. Maybe Jeff wasn't used to unprovoked attacks? At the end of the day, though, was Jeff wrong to assume that Ricky could shank him in his sleep? That was not too far fetched a possibility, in my opinion. Was staying in the program worth that risk?

[–] fender818 9 years ago

Jeff was similar to Robert is not understanding the jail system and inmates. They both thought that just because someone talked to then they were friends. Jeff just gave off an aura of weakness. If he was in jail for real he would be bitch. You do not give anybody anything without something in return. Once you do it once, you'll have to do it over and over. Zac did it right to get some respect by helping Roby clean up the pod, he didn't need to buy his buy in.

[–] disinter 9 years ago

Jeff said he was blind as a bat without his glasses and the initial attack knocked his glasses off. I don't blame him one bit for leaving the program. The thought of being attacked in your sleep would prevent me from staying as well because I'd end up staying up until I passed out.

[–] fender818 9 years ago

Well he definitely had to leave anyway since he snitched. I loved how the guard walked into the pod with him and force him to point the guy out. That just goes to show how even the guards hate snitches. He could've just said he wanted out to the producers without going to the guards. I think he forgot that the guards didn't know he wasn't a real inmate.

[–] DocOfTheDead 9 years ago

One thing that occurred to me about him being taken back in to point out who attacked him was why if they had all these cameras rolling (the jail camerasand the production cameras) did they not just review the footage?

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[–] linda60639 9 years ago

He could've just said he wanted out to the producers without going to the guards. I think he forgot that the guards didn't know he wasn't a real inmate.

I don't think the producers could have pulled him out of the pod, they didn't have the authority. Only the guards could decide who goes into segregation. Since he didn't want to go back in the pod, producers needed a legitimate reason for Jeff to go into segregation until the sheriff could get him out on Monday.

So in order to protect the program, I believe that producers had Jeff tell the guards what happened and who attacked him so that there would be a legitimate reason for the guards to send him into segregation. I don't think Jeff elected to snitch on his own.

[–] linda60639 9 years ago

I completely agree. I would not risk getting attacked again when all the producers can do is say "I'm sorry" while I could be laying up in a hospital bed, or worse.

I wonder what kind of compensation they are getting. I read somewhere that scale is a little over $2k a week. Could they be getting more?

[–] SixRavenX 9 years ago

Yea they're probably getting more than that. 16 grand for 2 months of jail doesn't seem worth it to me

[–] linda60639 9 years ago

I don't know, if you were unemployed, that money could come in handy. If you were looking for exposure for your career, it might also be worth it. Especially, if you are not in any real danger. Remember, they are monitored 24/7, such as it is.

[–] nutmustardxx 9 years ago

Zac...although he is a snitch biiatch bastard, has been in the Marines and can assimilate with groups of other men. HE did just f8ne, minded his own business and didn't give.off an aura of weakness

[–] Alexandra_Shulgin 9 years ago

I completely concur. This episode always bothered me because 1) the sheriff and his coworker never even apologized to Jeff after he was released for getting assaulted in there, even though they were half to blame. And why? Because 2) the mentally unstable are usually put in the medical ward or segregation to not only protect THEMSELVES, but other people as well. Ricky was a schizophrenic type or whatever similar behaviored diagnosis who was NOT TAKING HIS MEDS.. he had no right to be in gen. population in the first place. Jeff came off a little wimpy yes... but it could have been anyone being attacked by an unmedicated lunatic in the middle of the night. That in itself was no way Jeff's fault. PERIOD.

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[–] nutmustardxx 9 years ago

Jeff was the biggest wimp I've ever seen...he got hit and actually turned his back toward his attacker and ran backwards towards him. Could anyone have done anything more retarded than that?? If someone touches you in jail you must fight instantly, doesnt matter if you win or lose, just the fact that others see that you will fight means that most everyone won't ever *beep* with you. And they will test you right away if you look like a noob...thing that sucks is that you'll end up getting more time for fightingx and you'll never get out . But for the most part if you mind your own business no one will
*beep* w you. You just have to learn the rules., where u can walk, not to wear your sandals on your bunk or to step on the bottom guys when u climb up w your sandals on...don't take *beep* during chow time....things like that. Don't trade food w anyone esp not of your race. Jail sucks !!

[–] canadazbest 9 years ago

When a person has really bad eyesight, as Jeff does, (and as I do), not being able to see anything beyond the end of your nose is absolutely terrifying - you bet he was thrashing around, "running backwards" toward Ricky - he didn't have the faintest idea which one of the guys around him WAS Ricky.......because he couldn't SEE - did you not get that? I'm truly happy for you if your vision either doesn't require glasses or a very mild prescription lens - since the age of 14, without my glasses I can barely make out the "E" at the top of an eye chart. Count your blessings, friend, and please don't mock people who have a visual impairment. There's nothing funny about it.

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[–] worth84 9 years ago

yo I have TERRIBLE eyesight, my vision sucks.....I wear contacts 99.9% of the time, but yes I do have glasses too....one time I was in jail and this dude tried to put in some work right after lunch......dude came outta the blue and I was just wearing glasses bc I try to take my contacts out when I sleep, and I had been sleeping....dude hits me and knocks my glasses off my face, I still fought back and was hittin this dude til the deps came in....I guarantee you my sight is not worse than jeff's.....you gotta stand up for yourself

[–] canadazbest 9 years ago

so, worth84, tell us, how on earth can you "guarantee" your eyesight is/isn't, better/worse than Jeff's?? Are you his Optician? Mother? Father? Sister? Brother? Family Doctor? But more to the point, do you realise what you said was Jeffs' eyes ARE WORSE than yours? (you said "my eyes are no worse than Jeffs" to be precise) - so what's your point, exactly? Sure - if, as you say, you can see better than Jeff ..... then absolutely you can "stand up for yourself" - your machismo alone clearly would've made you the King of the Pod, with or without corrective lenses, no doubt in my mind

Congrats on being so awesome in jail, do you go there often?!?!?!?

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[–] canadazbest 9 years ago

C'mon, mate, are people supposed to guess what you meant to say, or read your mind? Here's a wacky idea........how about you simply say what you mean, instead of flipping out when someone doesn't understand you? It's not my problem you have difficulty articulating yourself.......as you put it.....stand up for yourself!! (or did you not mean to say that either?)

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[–] disinter 9 years ago

I wish they had messed up his paperwork and all the people who knew he was in the program died so he couldn't get out

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[–] worth84 9 years ago

lol from your response you clearly understood what I meant to say bro even with the miswording of the sentence in the overall context of my post it is clear

although seeing as you have a cat as your avatar idk if I should call you "bro", you are clearly either a female or an effeminate man, probably jeff's type lmfao

[–] canadazbest 9 years ago

Oh, right, because cats are for gay men/women - and dogs are for macho sh!thead men? Just when I thought you couldn't be more ridiculous

so, you've never heard of a male cat, bro? clearly you're the type of tool who thinks ones masculinity is defined by what kind of pet one has......gee, let me guess, you have half a dozen pitbulls to compensate for your other shortcomings Hmmm..... something tells me somebody had a really overbearing Mommy, and is now (sadly), wanting to take it out on the rest of the world..... you do know there's a reason you're so threatened by gay/effeminate men, don't you? You're a textbook case of .......well, you know

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[–] Acid_Reflex 9 years ago

Jeff should never be a corrections officer more because he is stupid than because he is a coward. At least he admitted he was scared for his life.

Robert is the most pathetic delusional coward I have ever seen in my life. I wish they had messed up his paperwork and all the people who knew he was in the program died so he couldn't get out

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[–] sandifay62 9 years ago

Jeff definitely wasn't a coward. e did what most people would be afraid to do, he faced his fears, and he did his best to cope; even though he was doing it the wrong way. He lasted until it got too dangerous for him. I don't blame him . he's got a family that needs him. I think he was just unprepared and overwhelmed.

[–] worth84 9 years ago

Jeff definitely wasn't a coward

lmfao are you serious? we must be watching different shows. it was clear from the first episode he was a weak bitch. your saying he was "just unprepared"? he even took some self defense class and still punked out like a lil bitch when it came time to throw down

[–] sandifay62 9 years ago

A coward wouldn't come on a show like this in the first place. He was soft, but he did the show, he lasted until he got attacked. Jeff was scared as hell, he was weak, he was socially dumb as rocks, but he wasn't a coward. He was unprepared socially to deal with hardcore people. But that doesn't make him a coward.

We were watching the same show. You just didn't understand what was going on and don't know what the word coward means.

He didn't wimp out like Robert. Robert was the only coward there. Maybe you usrt relate more to Robert or maybe you're a teen that hasn't seen much of the world yet.

[–] worth84 9 years ago

right....I "just didn't understand what was going on" on this show about jail and am "teen that hasn't seen much of the world"......

that all makes a lot of sense considering i'm 28 and been in and outta jails since I was 20.....was just in jail again a lil over 6 months ago...got 3 1/2 years on the shelf

I know exactly whats been going on on this show lol and I definitely have seen this part of the world

and best believe I don't relate to Robert at all lmao

[–] Spookyman 8 years ago

I think it is unfair to call Jeff a coward. He is just not a street brawler. Just because you are not good at fist fighting or do not have an aggressive personality does not make you a coward. If you can't fight the best you can do in that situation is try to avoid the blows and minimise the damage. Some people are just not made to thrive in prison, just as some people who thrive in prison can't seem to get it together in the real world on the outside. Jeff wasn't made for prison.