... is the behavior of Ali Larter's agent character.
No agent in the world would be allowed to walk into a major league locker room and start treating the manager like some lowly peon by making demands and insulting him. She would have been tossed out of the clubhouse with the quickness.
Yep this show is laughably bad. I can't believe it got the green light!!
shareShe is hot but yeah the cliche tough taking and acting agent is annoying already. We already know she and that one Latino guy is going to do it won't or without the dating.
shareOr what about the aging catcher as the captain and most important player on the team?
shareThurman Munson, Johnny Bench, Yogi Berra, Mike Piazza. I could go on, but your ignorance is duly noted.
shareOh my ignorance is duly noted huh? All those guys you mentioned haven't been in the majors for decades, except for Piazza, and it has been 9 years since last played. This is an entirely different era Mr. ghull88. I don't see why people like you always have to resort to insults to get your point across. Why can't you engage it normal conversation with somebody?
shareIf you put your idiocy on full display, people are going to comment on it.
The soon to be AL rookie of the year, Gary Sanchez, is a catcher. Yadi Molina, the catalyst for the Cardinals post-season runs, is also a catcher. Jonathan Lucroy was a hot commodity during the trade deadline. He has an OPS of .857 this seAson. You will never guess what position Lucroy plays. I am sorry you got your panties in a bunch. But you have no idea what you are babbling about.
Funny you should say that, because you did little to prove your point. All of the guys you listed were/are very good players, but none of them were/are the leaders of their respective teams. Gary Sanchez is a rookie, and Lucroy was traded to the Rangers, so obviously he wasn't a leader. Yadier Molina qualifies, so I will give you credit there.
Just admit that catchers are very rarely if ever the team leader/captain. That is the only point I was making. I am sure you will try to argue with me further, but I consider this matter closed.
Yeah but you still made a very trivial and silly point. Even if this were not fiction you as an observer would have no idea why the catcher would be the captain but it would be for a valid team reason. And the team would not need to justify the choice to you.
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I was only making the point that having the team leader/captain be an aging catcher probably wasn't the most realistic choice. I get why they did it though, seeing as how the catcher has to be the most important teammate of a rookie pitcher.
Also, I never intended for this to turn into such a malicious argument, but it doesn't surprise me having to defend myself against someone on here calling me an idiot.
Allow me end this debate permanently... try reading this and then realize how wrong you are...
http://www.answers.com/Q/How_many_former_catchers_are_major_league_managers
Now STFU
"Just admit that catchers are rarely if ever the team captain".
I addressed that moronic assertion in my initial response.
"I consider the matter closed".
Translation. "I am tired of getting thumped on this matter".
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Someone pointed out to me that the Catcher can see what the runner sees, passes signals to the pitcher, and is in a position to direct the ball to the play.
shareBuster Posey?
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shareghull88, Not an argument.
shareSpeaking of the team captain, the young rookie making her MLB debut and dressing down the the All-Star team captain was also extremely unrealistic. No rookie does that, not unless they want to be tortured with practical jokes by their teammates for the rest of their rookie year.
My guess is the writers of this show never played sports in their lives. Someone who grew up playing baseball and had five years in the minors (like the main character) would understand the culture better. She would have taken the pat on the ass for what it was ... an acknowledgement that she was accepted as a member of the team. She also would have likely chewed out her agent for acting like a diva and giving her teammates a reason to hate her.
She isn't your typical rookie though. That's kind of the point.
shareShe may not be a typical rookie from a marketing standpoint, but she is from a team culture standpoint. She spent five years playing pro ball and earning the respect of her teammates (as we saw with the Blip Saunders character). Those years in the minors are an indoctrination into baseball culture.
She would understand how clubhouses work and how rookies are treated, ESPECIALLY rookies who have a big ego. She would know that there is nothing sexual about being patted on the butt on the field. She would know that managers are tyrants and have absolute power within the clubhouse. She would know that you treat established major leaguers with respect of they will haze the crap out of you for your entire rookie year.
While her reaction was completely ridiculous, we also don't know how much harassment she got before he smacked her ass during her time in the minors. So yes while I agree the player smacking her butt was just a typical teammate thing, I think it's fair to assume past players did it just to hit on her or harass her. Which is probably why she got so mad.
Also, managers don't always have absolute power. Now in her case of course she'd have no say in anything, but take a player like Derek Jeter. Who do you think had more power in that clubhouse, Jeter or Joe Girardi? If there was ever a major issue between the two, who do you think would prevail, and who would be gone from the team?
I know that's not what happened in this show, but it's just an example of sometimes, the players do have more power.
Excellent points. I really want to like this show. The pilot spent too much time checking off "Social Justice Warrior" points. It has a solid cast. Without some serious improvement, the ratings will not be there.
shareIt's funny they make fun of the whole ass slapping thing which is basically also making fun of guys that would say things like "if there was a girl on the team she'd complain about perverted jokes, call them sexist,etc." But how she handled the whole ass slapping thing is exactly why men say what I said above.
A woman making the majors is so ridiculous that baseball commissioner Kennesaw Mountain Landis (may his racist and sexist a@@ NOT rest in peace) created a provision that women couldn't play because he knew one could. That person being Jackie Mitchell who struck out both Babe Ruth and Lou Gherig.
Yes there were liberties taken that didn't seem realistic but maybe just maybe her agent knew they wouldn't do anything because little girls and feminists everywhere were behind her client. What a sh!t storm that would've been.
And yes her talking back to the veteran was dumb but her objecting to the patting on the butt was fine. Just because he thinks it's a ritual of his and its accepted doesn't make it okay. If Tony Gwynn would've objected to another ridiculously accepted baseball ritual, tobacco chewing, he'd still be alive.
'A woman making the majors is so ridiculous that baseball commissioner Kennesaw Mountain Landis (may his racist and sexist a@@ NOT rest in peace) created a provision that women couldn't play because he knew one could. That person being Jackie Mitchell who struck out both Babe Ruth and Lou Gherig."
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What a load, they also had a midget play as well. Landis banned women to stop anymore of these stunts.
To quote Ruth's and Gherig's teammate "Third baseman Ben Chapman, who was due to bat when Mitchell was pulled from the mound, said he “had no intention of striking out. I planned to hit the ball.” But he suspected Ruth and Gehrig agreed between themselves to strike out. “It was a good promotion, a good show,” he said. “It really packed the house.”
"John Thorn, the official historian for Major League Baseball...believes Ruth and Gehrig were in cahoots with the Lookouts’ president and went along with the stunt, which did no harm to their reputations. “The whole thing was a jape, a jest, a Barnumesque prank,” he says. “Jackie Mitchell striking out Ruth and Gehrig is a good story for children’s books, but it belongs in the pantheon with the Easter Bunny and Abner Doubleday ‘inventing’ baseball.”
But go ahead and believe in fairy tales...
www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-woman-who-maybe-struck-out-babe-ruth-and-lou-gehrig
Then why did Landis void her AA contract the next day? Seems more like Ruth was livid than in cahoots as you say. And there are historian's who disagree with the guy you pulled out of the hat. For one Gehrig was a stand up guy. He would never sully the good name of baseball. He didn't go along with the majority who felt baseball should be segregated instead publicly stating, "Baseball was a sport that should be played by everyone". He also didn't fall in line with Ruth when his barnstorming buddy wanted him to take the money grab during contract negotiations. Instead of getting close to Ruth's million dollar contract, he humbly accepted $40,000 a year. I'm a huge fan of Gherig's, visited his home in New Rochelle and read quite a few biographies even one co-written by his wife.
So in short, I don't agree with your guy. And there are plenty of other historians who support my opinion.
Not to mention she was so annoying!!!!!!
share- more ridiculous is a woman voting. Or driving?
You know, my wife works in a hospital. And she generally hates medical shows. Because she know too much. These aren't documentaries - they are aimed to entertain the masses. Who know little about medical problems or how hospitals work. She really gets steamed, and can't enjoy the show.
It seems most of the comments - all guys? - have the same problem. Baseball is their domain. And they don't want no skinny woman playing in their sandbox!
Be like Hillary and Ellen - just enjoy the story of a woman breaking into the majors. This is a show of celebration. If only women enjoy it, why are YOU watching? My wife and I enjoyed it (and no little about stick and ball sports).
My sport is open-wheel racing. Indy and F1. It bothers me when racing is used in a show - and they always get it wrong. But I don't hiss to my wife all the things that are wrong, or unrealistic. She doesn't really care, and wouldn't know the difference. (but as a hospital director, she takes her work very seriously!) In real life, when women started to race in the big leagues, they were mostly scorned and blocked. But some have proven themselves. Danica Patrick had the looks, and the endorsement money, and was a pretty good driver in her earlier days. And she almost won Indy a few times. (which isn't that hard. Many drivers 'almost win'. But if you have the car, and you are well placed at the end - the win can be yours).
Eventually, a woman will race in F1. And maybe win. And a woman will make it to your hallowed grounds, and play. It's inevitable. This show is close enough for me, and I will continue to enjoy it. Without you guys!
Well last year Mo'ne Davis pitched a 70mph (93mph mlb equivalent) at age 13, so I would say we will most certainly see female MLB players someday. Pitching has always been more about practice and finesse than sheer power anyway. Even the big unit had to have some control to go with his massive power arm. A female could easily be capable of mid 80s plus speed with good control if she worked at it.
share'Well last year Mo'ne Davis pitched a 70mph (93mph mlb equivalent) at age 13"
Women's bodies mature faster so she nowhere the room to grow a 13 year boy would have. That's why there are plenty of good girl players in the little leagues but none in the majors.
"Pitching has always been more about practice and finesse than sheer power anyway."
Today's game is more about power than ever. Several players regularly hit and pass 100mph. A typical major league fastball is 94-95. Of course they need control and movement to go with that but strength is a prerequisite now more than ever. Yeah some older pitchers get along with diminished velocity but that's after a long career, they sure didn't come up like that.
"A female could easily be capable of mid 80s plus speed with good control if she worked at it."
Really? So no woman has ever felt the need to really try? Hell if a woman was capable of that teams would rush to sign her as a stunt. It would be great box office. Regardless no player these days would be drafted with a mid 80s fastball.
"I would say we will most certainly see female MLB players someday"
Only as a stunt.
Today's game is more about power than ever.
You know the objective. Manipulate as many malleable minds as possible. Reality be damned.
Narrative, manipulation, and agenda trump reality.
It took me 30 years to fully appreciate how much the lame stream media has been indoctrinating us. That's why they're getting their ass kicked by "alternative media."
Exactly. I will say it again. The cast is solid. Among others, Dan Lauria is a solid character actor. He was terrific on the Wonder Years. I will not spoil last night's episode for anyone, but the ending was ridiculous.
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