Josie + The Pussycats! Hello!?!
Theyre totally just putting all their characters there.
I liked the 2001 movie. Shut up.
Theyre totally just putting all their characters there.
I liked the 2001 movie. Shut up.
Archie Comics probably wanted to spin them off in case Riverdale is a hit but people prefer a Sabrina spin-off than those 3.
shareYou're right about the Josie spinoff, but Sabrina needs to rest.
www.jrichardsingleton.blogspot.com
I think our first Riverdale spin-off would be Sabrina. The creator of the show (who also writes the horror Archie comics) seems to be way more interested in the idea of bringing Sabrina back to TV in the various interview videos with him on YouTube.
Before we start talking about a Josie TV spin-off, first let's get a Archie Horror title of Josie first, that sounds more interesting anyway. Since they've done zombies and witchcraft, the band could be... demon hunters or something.
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"No! He is imprinted on you like a gay duckling. If you don't wean him off you slowly, he'll die."
There's potential for Josie show if they make it like Empire. The actors can really sing.
shareI can see why theyd put all three Pussycat Dolls. However they may not use Sabrina considering cbs owns the rights. They may not have the rights to use her character.
shareThey're going to use Sabrina. They've already talked about this. CW is co-owned by CBS and WB so I don't see the problem with that assuming CBS still owns the IP for Sabrina.
shareThose aren't Josie and the Pussycats though. Josie and the Pussycats are a redhead, a platinum blonde and only ONE black girl. Hollywood just keeps ruining classic comic book IPs by making these stupid changes.
shareThere's a racial double standard concerning whitewashing characters, but they're Josie band. Live with it.
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There's a racial double standard concerning whitewashing characters
I can agree with the angry white guys that a black character being played by a white person would provoke outrage. David Mamet made the case for a white Raisin in the Sun, and he sounded ridiculous.
www.jrichardsingleton.blogspot.com
Well, there's been some outrage about the black Pussycats from fans who wanted a more accurate casting, so it works both ways.
shareWe'll have to disagree. This board is the only place I'm hearing outrage. And it's mild.
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I have seen a LOT of hostility to the casting of the Pussycats. And Veronica for that matter. On Facebook and other sites.
shareDunno why but the Veronica race change doesn't bother me.
Maybe it is because the actress looks so much like what a Latina version of a live action Vernoica would look like?
All this feels strange and untrue
And I won't waste a minute without you...
-Snow Patrol
Huh? Josie and the Pussycats yes but I've never seen anyone getting disliking Veronica's casting.
Archie's actor is half-asian
Dilton and Reggie are asian
I've seen more negativity towards Veronica's casting than any other. Probably because she's one of the main four characters. If I see "not Veronica" one more time I'll retch.
Archie's actor is actually 1/4 Samoan, and Reggie's half Asian. Dilton was Asian in the pilot, but for the ongoing show he was recast white.
I've seen more negativity towards Veronica's casting than any other. Probably because she's one of the main four characters. If I see "not Veronica" one more time I'll retch.
Archie's actor is actually 1/4 Samoan...
...And Reggie's half Asian.
Dilton was Asian in the pilot, but for the ongoing show he was recast white.
That new Dilton actor is still part asian.
This dislike for Veronica being Latina, I'm just not seeing it whether on facebook or any archie/4chan forums. The dislike I see are all from Josie and the Pussycats.
That new Dilton actor is still part asian.
This dislike for Veronica being Latina, I'm just not seeing it whether on facebook or any archie/4chan forums. The dislike I see are all from Josie and the Pussycats.
Most people who complain about Veronica's casting on Facebook don't say it's because she's Latina (though they did on the old Archie forum). But that's obviously why.
It can't just be because she doesn't look exactly like Veronica, because the actors for Archie and Jughead look even less like their characters, and they don't get as many complaints.
Not everyone who complains about Josie's casting mentions her race either, but we know that's the reason since she doesn't look white and racechange is always the first thing people latch onto when they react to a casting, especially for a female.
And like I said, the comments I've seen on her are more hostile than the ones for the Pussycats, e.g. "You didn't cast that awful girl as Veronica."
Oh brother...
There are no complaints.
Casting complainers sometimes don't mention her race at all? I doubt that.
Who said that and when?
ESPECIALLY for a female?
Lol, what would your explanation be?
Since you haven't seen enough feedback to even know that Dilton and Reggie are Asian, yeah, you might assume that, though I'm surprised you'd boldly declare it as fact.
There has been bitching about almost every casting on the show, especially the race changes.
Go to the official Archie facebook page and do a search for the quote I gave. And just look at the other comments on the show. There are a lot of entries for it going back all the way to February, so I'm not going to dig them all up individually.
And how do you assume that anyone who complains about Josie MUST be complaining about her race, but anyone who complains about Veronica must NOT be complaining about her race?
Yes, especially for a female. Female actors are judged more on their looks and sex appeal than male actors...
...And there have been a lot more complaints about the casting of Josie and the Pussycats and Veronica than there have been about Dilton and Reggie.
No one is complaining about Veronica.
I didn't bother looking up the main cast so I don't know who was cast in those roles, whatever race they were.
Less so Veronica apparently.
I find it suspicious that you couldn't just link one
I'm saying that I don't think critics of Josie's casting do NOT mention the annoying race change.
That might have something to do with them not being regular characters and haven't been featured in the marketing.
My point was, if you'd read more feedback, you would have seen the reaction to their casting.
Than who?
(And by "race changes" I meant the actors themselves, if you're confused on that.)
I find it weird that you think someone would make up something like that...for the hell of it? Also kind of lazy that you won't do what I suggested and look it up on Facebook, but instead want me to, when you're the one who wants to see them. And collecting a list of comments there isn't instant like finding and linking the article about diverse casts making more money, when those comments are spread out over almost a year, sometimes with hundreds on one post; and finding "just one" wouldn't make my point. You can find more than just one if you get at it.
Yes, I know. I asked why you assume anyone complaining about Josie's casting must be doing it because of her race (so of course they would mention it), but that anyone complaining about Veronica must be doing it for some other reason (which is why you highlighted the "but that's obviously why" in my reply).
With Dilton, maybe; with Reggie, I doubt it. He's one of the most popular comics characters and if people were as bothered by his casting they would have complained more, no matter how little publicity he gets for this show. Fans might not be thrilled with it but they don't seem as upset about it as for the girls.
That's the thing. I didn't even know about 'them' in the first place to even comment if they were cast lily white or not. I've only concerned myself with the big four and Josie and the Pussycats.
Veronica's race changing is aparrently less used as a point of criticism unlike Josie's.
"Veronica looks too short compared to the comics." is about the worst I could fine on the Riverdale Facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/CWRiverdale/posts/
I tried. Nothing as I thought.
Oh I know that there are some that criticize casting decisions. People do that ALL the time on forums. Especially with this twisted take on Archie.
...Because they would just SAY it.
You're being paranoid. Josie and Veronica have simply been everywhere marketing wise.
You don't understand what I said...never mind.
I told you to go to the official Archie facebook page. Anyway, since you think that they would all SAY they didn't like her being cast colorblind, you won't be convinced by those criticisms; I already said most of them don't say it. But you should look them up anyway; you owe that much after all this.
There is no reason to criticize Josie or Veronica's casting. Apart from their race. No acting history we can see yet, no dumb offscreen antics, no preconceptions, and they're both more than pretty enough. What other reasons do you think people would have for criticizing her?
No, they wouldn't.
You haven't seen much of Archie fans, have you?
You're pinning your evasiveness on me!
I already KNOW that people don't like that Josie's race was changed and THAT'S what they're criticizing...because they've been BLATANTLY saying it.
They seem to for Josie just fine.
Archie fans aren't the only ones interested in this show.
Archie's actor is half-asian
Dilton and Reggie are asian
The double standard is against white people.
Traditionally white characters are altered to be black and white people are supposed to grin and bear it less they're called racist.
Most 'whitewashing' that happens today is overstated and has extenuating circumstances attached.
I'M not white and I hate the radical race changing of the Pussycats. But alas, what can be done except to... well, grin and bear it.
All this feels strange and untrue
And I won't waste a minute without you...
-Snow Patrol
The double standard is against white people.
Traditionally white characters are altered to be black and white people are supposed to grin and bear it less they're called racist.
Most 'whitewashing' that happens today is overstated and has extenuating circumstances attached.
I'M not white and I hate the radical race changing of the Pussycats. But alas, what can be done except to... well, grin and bear it.
But it was the other way around for a lot longer, and during those racist years such a huge stockpile of white characters was built up, race changing a few now hardly makes a dent. That can't be said of casting non-white characters white.
I know that not all the objections to the Pussycats are racist. The comics had existing black characters who could have used the spotlight instead, and one of the best things about the Pussycats is that they were integrated for so long.
But since they chose this way, it doesn't deserve all the criticism it's gotten, and some of them are overt "don't change any character's race ever" or "PC agenda" complaints.
Really? Where?
What exactly are you saying?
That white-to-non-white race changing is justified to 'balance out' past whitewashing or that white-to-non-white race changing is NOT justified but less egregious because of PAST greater injustices?
Either way, both are completely childish arguments. Makes a dent? You can't punish PRESENT day audiences for PAST mistakes that have since been corrected. And using MORE injustice to battle injustice (real or, most often, imagined)
You have to look at race changing (for any race) case by case to say if it's justified.
Socially, because whites have more representation that they need...
And the PAST mistakes and injustices stay with us, because the white characters invented in the past are still the popular characters in movies and shows that we watch today (like this series), so some of them get changed to provide balance; it isn't about punishing anyone or committing an injustice.
They NEED? It's not a competition between the races for acting roles
The white actor is out to make a living performing and not take away a minority actor's job.
Balance? Why do we need balance? Minority audiences enjoy the adventures of these established white characters just as well and rewriting the past is a foolish way of generating more diversity.
You ARE punishing people and committing and injustice in EFFECT even if not in INTENT when you're race-changing to pander or be politically correct when you could simply cast minority actors as ORIGINAL characters (and actual, non-white established past creations and minor characters.)
Representation is more important in how it affects the people watching the shows.
We need more balance because of how it affects the younger people (of all races) watching the shows.
It would be better to get it through original minority characters, but creators today are almost as bad about making their heroes white as the creators of the past.
And anyone who feels they're being "punished" by this has to deal with their own problem.
If we are going to use the word punishment that flexibly, don't you think we are punished by always seeing a sea of white faces on the screen?
Audiences want to watch GOOD actors perform a role REGARDLESS of race first and foremost.
If they want diversity, they'd rather it be from ORIGINAL characters.
Incidental. There are simply MORE white people in the U.S. and Canada and they are spread out more widely.
Innocent white actors' jobs are on the line because of nonsensical reasons and are being taught to grin and bear it. They ARE being punished.
No. Like I said, majority white casting is incidental and not racial and audiences of all colors care more about good acting regardless of the race of Actor X—playing an original role.
http://time.com/money/4237685/movies-diversity-casts-money/
I said that already. Yes, in an ideal wonderful world it would happen that way.
You know, I don't think in this day and age that it really matters who lives where. Thanks to the internet, most people are aware of just how unwhite the world as a whole is, in a way that they never really were back when they could rarely connect with people who didn't look like them. That's probably one of the main things driving the demand for diversity.
You're kidding, right?
Apparently not true, if you follow the link I put up there.
Did you even read this article? It shows that audiences don't especially care for diverse casts.
I said the U.S. and Canada and not the world.
And white people are part of the world and to shrug them off as either closet racists or entitled brats if they ever complain about obnoxious race changing to established characters is wrong.
Diversity INCLUDES white people.
No, I am not. Quit punishing white people for doing nothing other than simply being born to the more populous race in western civilization.
That article doesn't even pertain to what I quoted.
"What did you read in that article that made you write your second sentence?"
This part: 'But films with a majority of non-white actors are not as profitable.'
By the way, audiences and viewers, including white people, love diversity. But diversity itself does not a hit film or show make. There are plenty of shows that have flopped with minority leads and diverse casts and there are plenty of hit shows with non-diverse casts that non-white viewers enjoy.
Audiences and viewers do not especially care for diversity; great acting is what it is all about.
"Are you talking about me shrugging you off?"
What? No. I'm talking about white complaints about race-changing being shrugged off by people.
"And I said I doubt locations matter much anymore; that includes the U.S. and Canada. I'll amend that, though, to "among English speaking countries"."
People already know that different races live among majority white nations or English-speaking countries or whatever else you're trying to say. I don't see the point though. Producers shouldn't be wasting their time picking and
"The cast of this show is mostly white. The three most important parts are white (Archie, Jughead and Betty), and Kevin, Moose, Cheryl, Jason, Ethel, and all their parents and siblings are white. Even Reggie and Veronica are half white. Ms. Grundy's white, the butler's white and Sabrina will probably be white. It's more white than anything, so...what are you talking about?"
I was talking in general. I've seen perfectly diverse casts criticized as still too white as if white people aren't part of diversity too.
But as for Archie or any other adaptation whose characters' races are very well-established in pop culture, it is obnoxious pandering when their race is changed from white to non-white. If they want more racial diversity (as if viewers care all that much), create ORIGINAL non-white character or race-change LESSER-KNOWN characters rather than annoying others and telling them to suck it up for some imaginary greater good.
How is "punishing" white actors and "putting innocent white actors' jobs on the line" worse than doing the same thing to non-white actors, if you cast those Riverdale roles with whites?