No Cubans?
Ok, I like the idea, but I think there is no a single Cuban in this soap opera for Netflix. Am I right?
shareOk, I like the idea, but I think there is no a single Cuban in this soap opera for Netflix. Am I right?
shareThere are plenty of Cuban actors in Hollywood, but Hollywood seems to always cast Mexicans and Puerto Ricans as Cubans. I think that in their warped, prejudiced mind, they want all Hispanics to look like your typical Mexican and since most Cubans don't look Mexican, in the minds of Hollywood execs, a Mexican looks more Cuban then a Cuban, so a Mexican actor will probably get preference over a Cuban actor when casting to play a Cuban.
For instance, check out Andy Garcia's daughters. Do you think that Norman Lear would have cast one of these girls to perform in "One Day at a Time?
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0306571/mediaviewer/rm2327972864
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0306572/mediaviewer/rm2934044672
They're white and it would go against his constant narrative of oppressed person of color in a white world. So, yes, there are plenty of Cuban actors in Hollywood, but don't expect them to be cast as Cubans.
By the way, the prejudice against Cuban actors playing Cubans is not just against white Cuban actors [its not limited to white Cuban actors like Cameron Diaz or Bella Thorne], black Cuban actors complain that they aren't cast as Cubans ever. When was the last time that Faizon Love, Laz Alonso or Gina Torres played a Cuban?
You're right. It's a shame. There are plenty Cuban descendants to pick from: Andy Garcia, Eva Mendes, Gina Torres, William Levy, Cameron Diaz, Rosario Dawson, Nestor Carbonell, Ana de Armas. An incomplete list here http://www.imdb.com/list/ls006089131/
We're alike but not the same...
Can you please provide specifics regarding all these Mexicans that are taking up Cuban roles? And what exactly does a "typical Mexican" look like?
shareblister329@ Did I say just Mexicans? I said Mexicans and Puerto Ricans are taking Cuban roles, I didn't single out Mexicans. Since we are talking about this specific program, this is a classic example. All of the performers with the exception of the young daughter [whom I have heard is Cuban] are Puerto Ricans and Mexicans. Another example, look up the short lived "Cane" which was supposed to be about a wealthy Cuban family living in Florida. Nearly all of the actors were Puerto Ricans and Mexicans. Typical Mexican look? Certainly not what you see in the Mexican telenovelas. The typical Mexican look is the mestizo look and that varies depending on the percentage of European to mezoamerican admixture.
shareI believe there is not one Cuban actor. The daughter is Colombian.
http://remezcla.com/lists/film/meet-isabella-gomez-actress-elena-one-day-at-a-time/
I was confused about this too. Disappointed but I still like the show.
shareThat is actually what I came in here looking for. Although Isabella might be of Cuban descent but I haven't been able to find anything. The boy definitely doesnt look Cuban & we know the mom & Rite are Puerto Rican so yeah, it kinda sucks that they're supposed to be Cuban but there isn't one Cuban in it.
shareYes, but you know how it is with Hollywood [especially anything that Norman Lear produces], even though the actors aren't Cuban, they fit the misconceived notion of what a Cuban is supposed to look like. Hiring real Cubans would mean that the performers wouldn't look Cuban! [said in a sarcastic tone]
shareMaybe they should've hired Mercedes Ruehl as the abuelita, Gina Torres as the mother and Bella Thorne as the daughter. They wouldn't look related but they'd all be Cuban.
share@Magnum_XL. Maybe you can stop being a wisenheimer and spare us your sarcastic little asides. There is a legitmate discussion to be had about the lamentable decision not to cast Cubans in a sitcom that is supposed to be about Cubans, others have noted this including an article in the "Hollywood Reporter": http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/one-day-at-a-time-review-960493
shareThe people I mentioned areE ethnic Cubans. Just because they don't fit your preconceived notions about what Cubans should look like doesn't change that. And just because they match the ethnicity of the character doesn't mean they would be right for the part.
It is illegal in the US to discriminate on the basis of ethnicity or national origin. That means you can't legally discriminate in favor of an ethnic Cuban any more than you can legally discriminate against someone because he or she is Cuban. It they hired on the basis of ethnicity they would be breaking the law.
Did you complain when a Cuban played the Italian daughter on the Sopranos? Or when an Argentinian-Mexican played the Scots-Irish Rory Gilmore on the Gilmore Girls? I doubt it.
It's called acting. People pretending to be something they are not. The only thing that should matter is how well the actor or actress portrays that character. The ethnicity of the actor or actress is, and should be, irrelevant.
Spare us your absurd and transparent insincerity. Yes, the people that you mentioned are Cubans, but you purposely created a strawman argument by listing Cubans of different races that you know would look ridiculous casted juxtaposed as family members. A white girl like Bella Thorn is highly unlikely to have a black mother like Gina Torres.
When a performer is casted to play a role, the idea is to cast someone who can effectively portray the character in question. NO one is discriminating by suggesting that the producers should have casted Cuban Americans to play Cuban Americans who would have, after all, been able to channel a Cuban character more effectively than the non-Cuban cast in "One Day at a Time." That cast is doing nothing more than channeling generic one-size fits all Latino characters.
By the way, I direct you to the uproar by the black community over Zoe Saldana playing Nina Simone, or how certain Latinos created an uproar when non-Hispanic Ben Affleck played Tony Mendez in "Argo." So, no, it can't be dismissed as just "acting." It's more complex than that, otherwise, we could hire Denzel Washington to play J.F.K., or Charlie Theron to play Michelle Obama in a hypothetical movie about these real like characters.
Latins should not be all lumped in a group. We come from many different cultures and have distinct mannerisms and ways of talking. If the show really wanted to portray what a Cuban family is like, I think they should have used Cuban actors. I still think the show is funny, but I don't know much about those actors and it's pretty obvious they are not Cuban, just by their gestures and the way they talk. They do not "act" as a typical Cuban would.
sharenobody really likes cubans
shareBacci40. It's good to see that stupidity is alive and well in the minds of egotistical fools who are slowly loosing the country by continuing racist views and perpetuate the WASP mentality. You should spend sometime reading world history and learn a little.
I totally agree with the views on available cuban actors. I am also upset and insulted by the references included by Norman Lear suggesting that only US people can be black, whites or Caucasian. In cuban our ethnicity is Hispanic. That is not a race. Look it up. We have multiple races. Yes, whites, blacks and Asians.
Ps. There are several references to the issue I bring up. In several episodes the mother refers to some people at work as "white" or "Caucasian food" on the table in another episode. By saying these things it implies that Cubans are not white, black, or asian.
shareThis program is so Norman Learian, its sickening. All of his programs have an underlying theme: class and racial warfare. The person-of-color who is a victim of racism but rises up above the fray and the white person, priviledged, often insensitive and clueless at times prejudice. The person-of-color always outshines the white man.
Which brings me to this fictious Cuban family played by non-Cuban Puerto Rican and Mexican actors, the comment about the Caucasian food is offensive and something no Cuban would say not even a black Cuban! Unlike other Latin Americans, Cubans are painfully aware that "Hispanic" is an ethnic catagory not a racial one. In fact, European Cubans are offended when people say "Hispanic" "white" and "black," because it implies that they are a third race. Cubans also know that Cuban food has its basis in Europe. For instance, a favorite Cuban dish is Galdo Gallego or Favada Asturiana, these are porridges that come from the Northern provinces of Asturias and Galicias in Spain. Why on earth would a Cuban who is painfully aware of his European roots [and make no mistake about it, the vast majority of Cubans who arrived in the 1960s and 70s were basically 2nd generation Spaniards born in Cuba] say such an asinine statement like that? So, an Asturian and Galician porridge from Northern Spain is non-whtie food, but stake and potatoes is white food?
I understand that this show is a collaborative work written by various writers many of them latinos. It is clear that they are injecting their personal perspective into the show and its coming out painfully unCuban.
Well said. I can't add anything to it.
shareJustina Machado who plays Penelope is part Cuban from her father side. I know she is Puerto Rican. But hey Gloria Estefan sings the theme song.
shareCorrection. Both parents are from PR. Her maternal grandmother was from Cuba. But your point is correct.
shareSo, she's essentially Puerto Rican then. Not surprised, her total vibe/look is Puerto Rican. Compare her to Ana Margarita Casado in the WPBT produced bilingual series, "Que Pasa, USA?" Ms. Casado, a Cuban American actress, played Juana the mother in the Peña family, a Cuban American household.
So, she's essentially Puerto Rican then. Not surprised, her total vibe/look is Puerto Rican. Compare her to Ana Margarita Casado in the WPBT produced bilingual series, "Que Pasa, USA?" Ms. Casado played Juana the mother in the Peña family, a Cuban American household. She looked and acted Cuban 100%.
shareYes, I noticed that right away. I still like the show, but it would have been much more realistic and authentic if they had used Cuban actors. I guess they like to group Hispanics into one big lump, and don't realize how diverse our cultures, mannerisms and ways of speaking are. I'm glad they are supporting Latins, but they still don't understand us at all. Still I applaud their efforts. It's a first step and the show is funny.
shareI am in agreement with the issue of using cuban actors. To me the more critical issues is the script, when they make statements that suggest that we are not white, black or asian. We are then, by default, lumped in with other cultures, specifically, Mexicans, who in spite of having over 68 ethnic groups in the United Mexican states, they only promote the mestizo identity since it's the majority of their population. I am a proud white cuban just like my childhood friend is a proud black cuban. We are insulted by being lumped into the Mexican identity perception. Perhaps the reason why some of the cuban actors are not in the show is because they read the script in advance and we're insulted as well.
shareOh, for the love of the flying spaghetti monster. You sound like you've internalized all the prejudices thrown at Latinos by white people. You basically are saying that you think the women portraying a Cuban-American family don't look Cuban enough which, judging by all your complaining about white versus black Cubans, really means that you think they look too brown to look Cuban. I've met plenty of Cubans who look like Justina and Rita and Isabelle. Latinos come in all shapes and colors and while you may be trying to stand up for the diversity of Latinos in reality you just sound like you don't want white people to think Cubans like you look brown like "Mexicans and Puerto Ricans". As if that were something to be ashamed of.
Whenever someone says they're a "white Latino" right up, I just groan. It's like you have to say "oh, I'm Latino, but I'm the good kind of Latino. I'm the kind you wouldn't know is Latino."
I'm sure the casting director saw many, many Latino actresses, of many, many nationalities before choosing the cast. They went for talent, not for "oh, yes, the nationality matches."
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Oh for crying out loud, you sound like one of those people that think all "Latinos" are a homogenized people without any distinctions or differences, instead of a very diverse peoples of different ethnic, racial and historical backgrounds, a people who dont even speak Spanish similarly.
As others have pointed out, it's not just the "look" but its also the vibe of the actors that don't jibe.I couldn't have cared less if it had been a show of black Cuban actors portraying black Cubans at least they would have been able to do a convincing job.
As for the casting director, they are notorious for stereotyping. Laz Alonso the black Cuban actor has gone on record saying that he is never casted as a Cuban, because he doesn't look "Latino," enough for them and whether you like it or not, when people [especially casting directors] think "Latino" they think your typical Mexican. Hello! Cuba is full of black Cubans who look no different than American blacks! The black Cuban actress Gina Torres has also gone on record saying that she has tried out for Hispanic roles and has always been rejected because of her looks! For the record, white Cuban actors have also complained about this! In fact, one fair-skinned Cuban actress who was always rejected when trying out for Cuban characters [on the spot, the moment that they saw her walk in through the door before she even said a word ]made a documentary about her frustrations.
I am actually Latina and I lived in Latin America growing up so I know Latinos are culturally and racially diverse. As I said, I've also met many Cubans who look and "jibe" like the women in this series. "Jibe" just feels like something to say when you don't like the casting. I wish there had been a way not to know the specific type of Latino the actresses were and see if you still feel/think that way or if you're just doing exactly what you're decrying and stereotyping based on preconceived notions. However, you still sound like a racist person against Mexicans, as if there were no blonde, black, and every shade of brown Mexicans.
Of course stereotypes play into casting and of course it's terrible that actors aren't being given work because they don't "have the look" of a Latino, whatever that means in the audiences' and casting directors' heads. But if you think there are no Cubans who look like the women in this series, you need to go to Cuba.
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I'm not going to argue with you whether you met many Cubans who look and jibe like those women. I don't know you personally and I will take your word for it. I know that Cubans come in all sizes, shapes, colors and personality types. However, those women are not typical Cuban women. Just like a nordic looking Mexican is not typical. I go to Mexico every year on a business trip. I've met countless nordic looking Mexicans, but I'm not going to start defending a hypothetical TV program on chicanos where everyone is nordic looking just because I've met many Mexicans who can pass for German.
Regarding the horrible stereoytyping in Hollywood, its a reality and I am sure that these women were picked in part at least because they fit the stereotypical look of what casting directors think that all Latinos look like. Did you know that Sofia Vergara had to dye her naturally blond hair darker to be cast as a Latina, because the bigots in Hollywood couldn't conceive of a blond Latina? Did you know that Rita Moreno had to apply brown makeup on her skin during the shooting of West Side Story because the ignoramuses at the production company thought that all Puerto Ricans have to be dark brown?
This type of messy casting is an old story. They do it over and over again. There are far too many talented Cuban actors out there [many underemployed] who could have done a much more convincing job. Please don't tell me that they weren't qualified.
Regarding Cubans being pass over, I'm not just making this up. This is documented. Black and white Cuban actors have gone on record complaining that they are overlooked when answering casting calls for Cubans, because casting directors don't think that Cubans look Cuban and instead want Cubans that look Mexican! [rolling-my-eyes]
The point is that when you say someone is the "typical" [insert nationality here] what you're actually saying is stereotypical. You are engaging in an oversimplified view of race, ethnicity, nationality, culture, etc. You are putting people into a box.
If you can't accept that saying that someone doesn't "look" or "feel" X nationality enough is playing at the same racist games you purport to be exposing, well, there's not much more to do here.
I did know all that, I also know Sofia Vergara has to play up her accent because American audiences find it "funny", that Salma Hayek has been passed up for things because of her accent, that Karla Souza is constantly told she doesn't "look" Mexican etc, etc. There's a long list of grievances carried out against Latin performers and that won't go away in the blink of an eye.
You've obviously never been part of a casting process. There are so, so, so many factors that go into a casting decision. Yes, expectations of what you want your show to look like are one of them but also availability, creative compatibility, contract negotiations, the actor/actress's "star" factor, and many, many more. We don't know what made the casting directors choose these actresses exactly but in my opinion they are doing a great job with the material. Maybe they saw talented Cuban actors but they didn't have chemistry with other already cast actors. Maybe they are super racist and can't accept a white Latino.
And there we go again with "look Mexican". The idea that you can tell what kind of Latino someone is just by looking at them is so absolutely ridiculous and racist but what can I expect from someone who writes out "rolling my eyes".
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You know, I was trying to concentrate solely on the argument and leave any ad hominems out of the discussion, but I see that you made a little aside about my "rolling-my-eyes" comment which was a way of me innocuously expressing how exasperated I am with Hollywood. You, however, couldn't resist making a personal attack even though my rolling eyes comment was not directed against you.
Anyway, you say that the idea that you can tell what kind of Latino someone is just by looking at them is "so absolutely ridiculous and racist," REALLY? So, if I take an average Dominican and put him next to an average Bolivan, you won't be able to tell the difference even though the average Dominican is a mulatto and the average Bolivian is mestizo or Native American?
I'm not trying to be condescending and patronizing, but I really think that you need to brush up on Latin American history. Each country had different migration patterns and different historical realites that shaped the modern peoples of those countries. For instance some countries had a huge slave trade, other countries had their indigenous populatons wiped out, while others kept them pretty much in tack, some countries had massive Spanish migrations while other countries had minimal migrations from Europe. Sorry, but you can wax poetic about Latinos from different countries being indistinguishable one from the other, but that's not the reality.
Oh boy. I've got a graduate degree in Latin American studies from a top tier university so trust me when I say I don't need to brush up on my Latin American history...
Yes, many Bolivians will have a different facial structure, given the very characteristic indigenous group traits in the Andean region, from the average Dominican, who might even have some African heritage. [By the way NO ONE would ever say "mulatto" outside of a historical context in scholarly circles or among people well-versed in Latin American Affairs. That is actually racist and I've never met a person of mixed heritage who has self-identified as a mulatto, given that it was a term used by the oppressors. You might want to brush up on that.]
However, I can assure you if you select someone who doesn't have such strong traits, it would be difficult to say at a glance. Can you usually distinguish an Argentine from an Uruguayan? A Panamanian from a Colombian? I have traveled enough to know that we come in all shapes and colors and that we're not a homogeneous group but I'm also capable of understanding that casting and Hollywood are not perfect nor are they real life and also of recognizing progress when I see it and not fighting small, inconsequential battles.
Instead of complaining that a cast of talented actors of various Latino heritages is portraying a Latino family, I am glad that they're actually Latino and not Italians/Spaniards with a tan like it used to be and sometimes still is. Like Justin Baldoni in Jane the Virgin [which that show is now sort of rectifying]. I'm also glad that Penelope is a veteran and a nurse, a badass woman by all accounts, a far cry from the overly sexified Latinas or the meek maids with no agency of yore. I'm happy to see a teen Latina be portrayed as smart and assertive and self assured and not cutesy but dumb or the failing student or the girl from the wrong side of town needing a savior. These are the issues that matter to me, not whether or not an actress is the same nationality as her portrayed character because it's called *acting* for a reason.
This happens in many other places of the media and it is understandable. A British Nigerian actor, David Oyelowo, will be portraying a Botswana prince. Is it the right nationality match? No. Is he a great talent? Yes. Is he a better choice than black-facing some white actor like a 50s movie would have done? Absolutely yes.
For non-minorities, it happens all the time too. Alicia Vikander, a Swedish actress, portrayed an Australian beautifully in The Light Between the Oceans. Hugh Laurie, a British actor, portrayed an American doctor on TV for years.
I care about talent and general representation of a minority. Maybe once we've achieved proportional representation of Latinos on the media we can start nitpicking about nationalities.
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It's clear that you've swallowed the entire pitcher of kool-aid. What can we expect of someone with a degree in Latin American studies? I'm, also, the product of American Universities, those sanctuaries of political correctness and revisionist history, so I know. For instance, your smug and incorrect comment [below] proves that:
"By the way NO ONE would ever say "mulatto" outside of a historical context in scholarly circles or among people well-versed in Latin American Affairs. That is actually racist and I've never met a person of mixed heritage who has self-identified as a mulatto, given that it was a term used by the oppressors. You might want to brush up on that."
For your information, "mulatto" is used by those people that your pretend to know about, YES, Cubans. In Cuba you are either "white," "black" or "mulatto." Yes, 'mulatto!" It is used not only on a daily basis, but also in scholarly circles. By the way, its interesting that you say that you have never met anyone who self-identifies as "mulatto," but in an earlier post you said that you have met many, many Cubans who look just like Justina. You do know that in Cuban circles Justina would be a mulatta, right? And, yes, Cuban women like Justina would identify as a "mulatta." Hmmm, but you didn't know that, despite having so many Justina looking Cuban friends? You have totally given yourself away.
Also, when you start talking about "oppressors" and casting actual "Latinos" as opposed to Italians/Spaniards, you reveal your confused PC brainwashing. For one thing, the word "Latino" is actually anthropologically incorrect. The original "Latinos" are the Italians. Look that up. Spaniards are "Latinos" by virtue of Italy and Latin Americans are "Latinos" by virture of Spain. Chicanos out west coined the racialized and incorrect use of the word "Latino" to only mean Latin American, so that to them a full blooded mesoamerican from Central or South America with no connection to Spain is more Latino than a Spaniard! An absurd notion! That's like me saying that an African descendant Jamaican is an Anglo Saxon, but not a English man.
So, you are happy that a "Latina" is portraying another "Latina" character instead of Italians/Spaniards? Again, you prove how little you know about Cubans. For one thing, the Cubans who came in the 1960's and 70's were the children and grandchildren of Spaniards. The Rita Moreno character who self-identifies as a "Peter Pan" child would have been the daughter or granddaughter of Asturian or Galician immigrants to Cuba, so that casting a Spaniard in the role would have acutally been more acturate. Let's agains analyse you comment about using actual "Latinos" to portray "Latinos" rather than Spaniards/Italians. So then in your mind, even though many Argentines are of Italian ancestry, it would be incorrect to hire an Italian actor to portray an Argentine and preferrable to hire, a let's say, chicano? For instance, you think that a George Lopez [all other factors considered equal] would by virtue of his background be better suited to play an Argentine than an Italian like Joe Pesci because the latter is Italian?
Did you ever watch "Que Pasa, USA?" It's a series about a Cuban family living in Miami and the grandmother Velia Martinez is actually not really Cuban, because she was born in Tampa and was the daughter of Spaniards, but she played the grandmother, Adela, to perfection. She would have actually been more actuate than Rita Moreno in that role. Did you know that many Cuban households from the 60s and 70s made up of three generations actually had three different nationalities under one roof? The Spanish born grandmother, the Cuban born children and the American born grandchildren.
I suggest that you continue to live in your PC bubble, or better yet, clear some of that PC fog that surrounds your head and stop pretending that you know about Cubans, it is clear that you know nothing about them.
Speaking of ethno-centrism and living in a bubble... who said I'd studied in the US? There are top tier universities outside the US, fyi. And you may rail however much you want but I've never heard a Latino of African heritage call himself/herself a mulatto.
I am fully aware of the intricacies of the term Latino but I thought we were conversing in the same level, understanding them but also knowing that, for better or for worse, it's a term used to describe an entire group of diverse people. I know that most Latinos have some level of heritage from one of the European cultures termed Latin for the Roman Empire's reach. However, even if you could confuse a Spaniard with a white Cuban because racially they might be the same, I still wouldn't want someone born and bred in Spain portraying a Latino because culturally it's whitewashing even if racially it isn't. No, George Lopez wouldn't be cast as a white Latino for many, many reasons but I'd have no problem with George Lopez portraying any other number of Latinos who he might share more of a resemblance.
You keep sounding like those white Cubans from Florida who fled Cuba in the revolution and actually "drank the kool aid" sold to them by the US that they were special and unique because they were white and embraced the US way of life.
I've actually been to Cuba and if you are from the US, I assume you haven't because up to recently you couldn't, so I suggest you accept I may know something about island Cubans that you don't. Just like I can accept that I don't know everything about Cubans.
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