Degrassi and Black Girls


I remember a couple of months ago Andrea Lewis wrote a blog talking about her experience on Degrassi and one of the issues she had with it was Degrassi's inability to write descent story lines for POC but, more specifically black girls. I somewhat agree, I think Liberty had dimensions the first couple of seasons but, it went down from there. I thought Shay had potential to be a good character but, her story lines have to do with sports, BLM, and her butt being too small. And the BLM/race relations story line was weak. I'm still waiting for a substantial story line for girls of color that doesn't have to do with being black. Ie: Shay wanting a bigger butt or the BLM situation. Why can't a black girl or any POC be quirky like Imogen, or the queen bee like Paige or Holly J? I just find that the story lines are almost always the same. Parents who are controlling or too focused on academics (Won't allow them to be kids) or they're focused on sports or there is no story line and they are treated like an extra. The full blog post is below. I would love your opinions on the matter.

http://missandrealewis.com/2013/03/28/new-post-a-real-conversation-about-degrassi-tbt/

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You can't make everyone happy. Black Canadians makes up like 4% of the total population. That's a little more than 1/25 people. So imagine that. A room with around 25 people in it. Statistically there will be only 1 Black person. If you divide that in half to factor in male and female, then it would be ~1/50 for a Black female. So apologies if there's only like 10 Black girls at your school out of a school of hundreds of students and god forbid one of them isn't the "queen bee."

The point I'm trying to make is that because of that fact, you're just naturally going to be bound to not have as many Black Canadian actors. And when you DO get them cast on a show, every single one of them can't always get the show-stopping, award winning storyline that also manages to transcend all stereotypes. There are far more White actors who have passed through Degrassi's halls that have had pointless or irrelevant or boring stories. Because that's just the way TV shows and movies are. And so when you do finally get that one Black actor, they might come off as cliche them self, but so has everyone else.
Or worse, the never satisfying dichotomy like you said. First it's like "OMG why are the Black actors stereotypical athletes?" So the writers create a studious, hard working Black character and then you say "OMG why does she have such a boring story?"

People who look at things with that lens will never be happy.

As for Andrea Lewis. She hasn't done anything with her career singing or acting-wise, probably because she's not very talented. So she makes some unsubstantiated claims of racism and now has a career off of advocacy FOR Black entertainment as opposed to just being an entertainer. She literally gets paid to just call stuff racist. That's the difference between her, and someone like Drake, who is rewarded for actually having talent. Thereby not needing to do what she does.

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I think the complaint is more that perhaps the writers should just start writing people of colour (and other marginalized groups based on their appearance - here's looking at you nerds, geeks, and "freaks") as complex characters defined by something more than their skin colour or any other archetype that they always seem to rely on. But I suppose I can't fault the studios for wanting to stick with a formula that's seen success for such a long span of time. Mind you I think Canadian TV (although not as large as the US counterpart), is actually better in general at treating minorities as complex characters as opposed to foreign bodies.




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Like I said, I think the writers do do that but then it somehow still turns into a race thing.
If a Black character is cliche, then it's "typical racist cliche." If you treat a Black character with virtually no stereotype, then people will call it "whitewashing" or "ignoring their diversity." Like seriously you could write in a Black character with absolutely no stereotypes and people will then complain that the writers are ignoring their experience as a Black character.
Either way, people will still complain.

I mean, hell. Look at the two main Black characters on Degrassi. Shay is just a regular character and has had hardly any major cliches put against her. And what happens? An entire storyline that focuses on mostly non-Black people (except her father) telling her why she should feel offended at a drawing. Prior to that, she really couldn't care less. She, as a Black person herself, really didn't care. But in comes all the mostly non-Black people to tell her why something that she didn't think was racist is racist. And then she buys into it.

Same with Tiny. Barring the fact that his plot should have focused more of the fact that his Caucasian Latina girlfriend is a skank who uses men for free food and invites these strange men to public schools which is a security threat and why that's a problem, instead the storyline turns into him getting suspended for fighting and he honestly doesn't really care. He, as a Black male, didn't think there was any racism involved. But in comes his non-Black girlfriend and all her friends to start a freaking rally and push on him why he should feel offended by something he otherwise didn't care about.

So if anything, I'd argue that the issue is more of a "white guilt/white savior" complex of the writers. And the writers are forced to do this because if the Black characters have any cliche then they'll get called racists. So instead they have to find a way to incorporate race into the plot, because if they don't then they'll also get called racist for ignoring "Black issues." So they have to write in a storyline that doesn't involve a character stereotype while still being able to bring up the topic of race.

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The issue isn't with the amount of black people but, the traits of the characters. I'm a fan but, you have to admit there is a lack of substantial story lines for people of color. Like you said black people make up 4% of their population so there would be more white actors with with irrelevant story lines. I would just love to see them do something different with their characters of color.

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The point I'm trying to make is that sure, if they want to add some diversity they can hire some minority actors. But just by the virtue of being non-White doesn't mean that every single one of them needs to have some major storyline or be the popular kid or whatever. There are even more White characters with just as much nothingness to do.

I'll be honest; the reason at least for me why the Black actors at least in this Next Class show are so boring is exactly FOR the reason that the writers know that they have to walk on egg shells to make sure that the Black characters are never perceived as falling into a stereotype. Like even the idea of Tiny liking to play sports would be a definite "Oh look there's another Black male athlete" reaction. Or if they made him like music then it would be "Oh look another Black male who wants to do music." Or if they made him do something edgy like commit a crime or be in an abusive relationship or whatever, then it would be "Oh look another Black male who is portrayed as being bad."

So instead they just avoid it altogether. And so guess what? He has literally nothing to do, and so therefore he becomes boring. And the same applies to Shay. So IMO, the reason why they're boring is not because the writers necessarily just snub them. It's because no matter what they do with their characters people are going to find a way to say that it's racist or that they're a stereotype. And if that's the reaction the writers are going to get, then they figure it's better to not even just go down that path.

Like what type of edgy Degrassi-esque storyline are you expecting for the Black characters that won't get the writers into trouble? Let the straight A student Shay accidentally get pregnant? "Oh look, another stereotype of the young Black female getting pregnant stereotype." Let the good natured Tiny get into some trouble with drugs or alcohol? "Oh look, another Black male written as a junkie stereotype." That's the reaction the writers are going to get, so the writers don't even bother.

They add just enough diversity to the halls to show that they have it, but any more than that and they don't want to touch it.

It's like exactly the situation Goldie had with Hunter over video games. Goldie complained that there was too much violence against the female characters in the video game (even though it's a battle game in which both male and female characters attack each other). So Hunter says "Fine, we just won't play as the female characters." Then Goldie replies "So now you want to exclude female characters from the game." When it's like that, you can't win.

It's a pointless conversation with if people are going to have that attitude, so there's no point in having it. And ultimately, the Black actors suffer for it.

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They can give them story lines with out thinking about the color of their skin for starters. My issue isn't only with the story lines it's with the personality traits or lack there of. Is it too much to ask that they write POC the same way they would anyone else. And if I recall Liberty had a pregnancy story line and I don't think they got into trouble. This is an issue in most writer's rooms. The rooms are filled with white people who believe they have to write for a black character any different than they would any other character. When that is not the case, I just want to see something honest and real which I haven't been getting from any character recently especially the POC.

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They're not thinking of the color of their skin. It's the opposite. They probably want to get to write a storyline that could fit anyone. But they know they can't, not because THEY don't want to. But that they know the primary audience will get mad. That's why you don't understand.

They didn't get into trouble with Liberty because that was over a decade ago. This is 2016 where we now have "trigger warnings" and "safe spaces" and where it's perfectly okay to say "ignorant white writers blah blah." And just as an aside, you know what would happen if they gave Shay a pregnancy storyline? "Oh, that's two Black girls now in degrassi who got pregnant. Way to play up stereotypes."

If people think something like this racial issue this season over the drawing is super "problematic" and a legitimate issue, you think the writers are going to write in more serious issues for the black characters?

The writers are not at fault here. It's the primary audience's fault.

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So you're saying because people may or may not react negatively to a story line about Shay being something other than boring the writers shouldn't even bother. I don't think you're giving the viewers enough credit. On the older seasons of Degrassi they had a descent amount of separate story lines, now it's just focused on the same few people. I think Tiny deserved more through out the show because his family life seemed interesting. My issue isn't only with the story lines it's with the characteristics of every character actually. I definitely think the writers need to develop them more fully. I think the BLM type of episodes were done wrong. No one's asking for more "serious" story lines just characters with more substance. Is that too much to ask?

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"So you're saying because people may or may not react negatively to a story line about Shay being something other than boring the writers shouldn't even bother."

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. If the writers step out of line and write a troubling storyline for one of the black characters, they'll be chastized for some sort of racial stereotyping. And it's not worth it.

It's the same way with the whole video game controversy in the show. The feminists complain that there aren't enough female video game characters in video games. So the game creators make female playable characters, who can win and lose just like the male game characters. Goldie gets mad that female video game characters can be harmed by male video game characters. So Hunter says "Fine, we won't play as female video game characters if you don't want to see them harmed." Then Goldie says "So now you're excluding female video game characters from the game?"

It's a catch 22. They want female video game characters in the game. Then when female characters are put in the game, they complain that they can be harmed. You can't win.

And it's the same with this. People want to see more diverse actors with different background story lines. But then if you give them a storyline that could be perceived as negative (human), then people get mad and accuse the storyline of being a racial archetype.

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That's ridiculous, they should write the POC characters the same way they would write anyone else. POC can have the same issues and interests as anyone else. To say that their stories should be represented on TV due to hypothetical backlash is what's wrong with television today.

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That's ridiculous, they should write the POC characters the same way they would write anyone else. POC can have the same issues and interests as anyone else. To say that their stories shouldn't be represented on TV due to hypothetical backlash is what's wrong with television today.

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I can see how the writter may be walking on egg shells with regards to their black characters but that's no excuse to make them boring, they just lack creativity, and let's be honest the show isn't creative or cohesive as as a whole so I'm not shocked at this. Someone else said that if they talked about black issues than ppl complain but if they made the black characters with context and depth beyond just their skin color then people would complain that they were white washed. Why can't it be both? I am both black and a person. I didn't sing and dance in high school, I hated sports but I lead an interesting life in those days that would make good TV. I faced problems of race gender sure but also regular teenage stuff like depression anxiety, family issues, being an awkward teen etc. And I also had fun hanging out with friends learning and maturing being reckless. I think if the writers would stop walking on egg shells with every issue, not just black issues and stop trying so hard to be politically correct the characters and storyline would be better more creative and realistic. There need to be more balance with the show in general.

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the black girls on Degrassi are always really serious like Hazel, Liberty and now Shay. Its like they are afraid to give them quirks or something. They need some one Ali, who has a real identity.

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True and I'm black myself. I am serious was serious in high school but my best friends were no quirky and weird and artistic. While my other black friends were edgy and into dancing and hip hop. Yes we are black and we all face black issues that does need to be adressed on the show but were not all serious all the time, we all have our own unique personalities and lead different lives, sometimes stereotypical and sometimes completely opposite. There needs to be balance.

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I actually don't mind them being serious as other shows usually make them offensively stereotyped. Other shows usually have black women as sassy, wise cracking comedic characters who are not serious.

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They got better over the years. I mean for black guys they did a great job and for other Women of color they did good so far with Hispanic and even Indian (Alli). Black girls they never know what to do with them on the show.

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