Alright, folks! That's a wrap on season 1...if you're able to formulate sentences and thoughts (no need to be cohesive) lay em' all out here if you wish.
That was a crazier ride than any actual roller coaster in existence, my god! Or should I be saying, my David?! 🤔Wow, well, have at it guys....
p.s. they would just fucking zap away their own main character at the end, hahahaha!
HOLY CRAP, BATMAN! I did not see that coming! My so called "bold prediction" of David turning to the dark side was obviously WAY off, but I'm so glad it was. I LOVED this ending! Once again Noah Hawley surprised us all. He is a genius. The ending verifies my modus operandi of always watching the credits to the very end. Anyone who turned it off, or went for a sandwich is going to be in for a rude surprise. I wonder where SK and Lenny will wind up.
It was fascinating how they spent time with the Interrogator during his recovery. It made you stop and think about things from the perspective of the other side. It humanized him by presenting him as a real human character with a family and everything.
And whoda thunk David would end up telling him they would have to join together to fight the SK? I didn't see that coming either.
Other random thoughts:
"You can kill the others." WRONG thing to say!
I loved it when Oliver hit the machine to get it going. It's a small but classic joke.
I loved the Pink Floyd music, it's perfect for this series.
Great quote: "I think you ruptured my spleen."
WOW! What a season finale! Thank goodness we get a season two, but how long do we have to wait for this brilliant show to return??? Not long I hope, cause I'm going to be having withdrawal symptoms until it does!
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OMG
That was just SO good. So so so good. I have more details to say but I want to watch it again to take notes. First viewing was just for sheer experience of it. feel it.
I HOPE everyone kept watching after the credits because there is a SECOND CLIFFHANGER.
whoah.
I was just watching the full credits because I LOVED the music, ad then wham bam thank you ma'am, a second cliffhanger!
The music for the whole thing was so great. Starting with the harpsichord music in the opening credits.
Ok I am just going to do stream of consciousness on the second viewing.
I LOVED that we got the backstory and home life of the villain. We got to see his vulnerability, who he loves, what he is most afraid of. Cuddling with his husband and adopted son while he healed. When do you ever get this sympathetic portrayal of the villain?
His "desk duty" speech. What a great scene.
I spent 6 weeks with a tube jammed into the head of my dick"
The second I leave this room, I'm going to war.
Him putting on his suit and getting his cane.
It was just a beautiful and rare sequence.
Love the headband.
Yeah. you can kill the others.
The giant pile of soldiers.
Ptolemy is a little gun crazy. He's always the one pulling a gun, when it's not safe.
THAT EYE CAMERA!
Ooh David was in the hospital for six years??
When David walks away and leaves Syd in the woods, the woods were BREATHING
Summerland has so many doors and hallways. It's repeating that motif from Clockworks
I love this retro looking technology in their headquarters. It's like steampunk meets mid century modern. Dials and levers and cathode ray tube monitors. The art direction of this show is just so cool.
You two have a fight?
I love the journey of Cary/Kerry in this episode too. they got a fight and make up arc.
What's happenin', Space Captain?
(that is my new catchphrase)
I'm on a liquid diet.
I like liquid.
Mmmmm
(that was dirty.)
Whoah Melanie thinks humans are dinosaurs that need to go extinct? She wants a mutant takeover of the planet?
David meditating and levitating!
War is over, if you want it.
You don't have to be afraid.
Dan Stevens is amazing in this.
Syd in the white room with Lenny
HEY SEXY
you like that don't you
a little back door action
Lenny is covered in tar? or mud?
the makeup for her especially is so crazy. I want to cosplay as her
There it is. Now you see.
This is so creepy
Oliver is so familiar with all their technology, does that mean they have not upgraded their stuff for 20 years.
When we pull, you push.
And boom goes the dynamite.
I'll be you-know-where.
More doors and corridors
Wait.
How does it work?
Thank you Syd for introducing this expository segment!
PINK FLOYD
This is just so perfect
His whole life in reverse, with the SK being deleted from each memory
*poof*
LENNY when she's paralyzed and David is walking circles around her
the sun and moon
phantom limbs
LENNYS MAKEUP IS EVERTHING
Malfunction detected
I need more power scotty!
I canna do it Cap'n
send the Equinox
(Is that the ball at the end that kidnaps david?)
Kerry you really should not leave that door open
what kind of guard are you
SYD WITH THE YELLOW EYES
Does Syd know that the SK will jump into her if she kisses him? Is she expecting to sacrifice herself?
It didn't stay in her very long, just long enough to jump to Kerry. It still has this fixation with Kerry.
Now here's a question, did syd & kerry switch minds as well?
bcause ok here is the math
syd kisses david, so davids mind PLUS the SK would go into Syd's body
and Syd's mind wold be in david's body
But then Syd's body (containing davids mind and the SK) both jump into kerry's body...
Or does only the SK jump into Kerry, and Kerry doesn't jump anywhere?
And here is Ptolemy again with a gun just shooting anywhere and not even aiming
how does kerry's finger bullet make melanie drop to the ground?
Then David drops down on like a wire?
is that real david or astral david?
David and kerry run at eachother
just at the moment that oliver remembers melanie
the impact shakes the SK out of kerry and it flies down the hallway and lands in poor Oliver
he has ONE SECOND of being his old self and then he's hijacked again.
and poor Melanie will never know he remembered her.
'you might want to form a bucket chain'
He just has the funniest lines and delivery. I want a whole spin off show the adventures of Oliver and Lenny
JEMAINE SINGS!!
if I ruled the World
OMFG
the music on this episode I am telling you, it is perfection
We're okay, it's gone
you remember how you told me not to be afraid
that was a mistake
I think you ruptured my spleen
and then T fucking REX
You won't fool the children of the revolution!
This song. This is why i had to watch the full credits.
I need a whole playlist of all the great music from this season.
They're headed south.
I think he likes you.
Oh what the FFFFFF.....
so was that flying ball the Equinox? Did D3 send it?
"Now here's a question, did syd & kerry switch minds as well?"
I had a problem with that as well, but then I remembered that Lenny said she can leave the body when she chooses to... she apparently chose to jump from Syd to Kerry.
"And here is Ptolemy again with a gun just shooting anywhere and not even aiming."
His machine gun was straight out of Al Capone era... nice touch.
Yes SK can jump to another host without even touching (we saw that black cloud fly down the hallway and land in Oliver, and I guess SK could have done that at any time?).
So why did Syd need to touch David to extract the SK?
And why did Syd need to touch Kerry on the head to transfer the SK to her?
But Syd cannot control when her mind jumps to another person, it happens instantly when she touches someone, with or without the SK.
So Syd's mind would have been in David's body and David's mind in Syd's body, along with the SK parasite in Syd's body.
Does Syd's body retain it's switching power even when Syd's mind is in another body? It must, because Syd's body, now controlled by the SK, (which we know because of the yellow eyes) deliberately took off her glove and tapped Kerry on the forehead.
Which was well done, with Syd acting like Lenny for a second, I liked that, but shouldn't really be needed if SK can jump without touching.
What I am saying is that Syd has a pretty dumb superpower but she needs to make herself feel useful by using it in every crisis even though it's not needed. It's like, when the only tool you have is a hammer, then everything starts looking like a nail.
So if Syd's body can still do switches even when Syd's mind is not in it, then Kerry's mind would have gone into Syd's body, and David's mind would have gone into Kerry's body along with the SK.
Sp when David and Kerry run at eachother, David has Syd's mind in him and Kerry has David's mind in him.
Kerry's mind would meanwhile have been in Syd's unconscious body.
The SK was just leapfrogging from one to another so fast, this is why it was really freakin STUPID for Ptolemy to run in shooting a 1920s MACHINE GUN, he didn't even know who to aim at, and he wasn't even aiming he was just like ' RRRRAWWR shoot errybody and sort things out later".
That is the same damn attitude that got them into that crisis in David's childhood bedroom. Just constantly shooting at shit without even knowing what is going on. It seems to be his only superpower- reckless use of guns.
They need to revoke his firearms privileges. he cannot use them responsibly. he wanted to shoot a bunch of completely helpless incapacitated soldiers who were no risk to anyone. David had them taken care of.
and boom goes the dynamite
Excellent questions, I'm afraid I have no answers. All I know is that at one point SK was hidden in a toy, when David was just a baby, and then jumped from a toy to David. So I guess he doesn't need humans at all to exist? He can use inanimate objects as well...
I'll have to do a research about Syd's mind and body and what controls what superpower ability, and if I find anything useful, I'll post it here.
I still don't know how Syd's body-swap works when she's in someone else's body, but the SK body swapping sequence might've worked something like this:
For the first swap from David to Syd, he needed Syd's touch because it was hard to do, like "unmixing the soup" and Syd was already exposed to SK and therefore sensitive to him. Once Syd touched David, SK possessed her. We know that by her yellow eyes. David apparently remained in his body and only SK jumped over into Syd. This is unusual, but can perhaps be explained by David being hooked to the machine that separated personalities of David/SK. SK used that fact to transfer only himself into Syd, without David.
Then SK jumped from person to person, possessing everyone in the chain cause they all got yellow eyes. Until the final jump into Oliver who didn't get yellow eyes. Why? Probably because he is a much stronger mutant than the rest in the chain. Therefore SK didn't manage to posses him, but only to use him as a vessel, like he previously did with David.
I still have no clue if touching was necessary or not for SK to transport. He transported into Oliver without touching, we know that much.
Was I the only one on this board actually, kinda...underwhelmed by the episode? It wasn't bad or disappointing AT ALL, but I guess my expectations were too much. After all the high octane stuff we've gotten they make their most restrained episode or grounded episode the finale. That in and of itself was a twist for me, haha.
And dammit, I did mention the after credits scene to someone else, but meant to make a thread about it to let everyone else know if they didn't already. That scene cracked me up just in its audacity, I think I said, "well, what the fuck," at the same time David did, lol
I really need to rewatch it though and I plan on bingeing the whole season some time soon to see it all the way through like that. The things I liked the most were:
- the opening with Clark. I thought that was a very gutsy way to start a finale, actually in (like you all have said) humanizing the guy we were against. Justifying his actions and his stance so by the time we got back to the moment the last episode ended on we were put into a real moral quandary. Suddenly, that guy wasn't so bad and we knew what he was up against so...bit of an uh oh moment, hah. I like his character, I'm glad it looks like he'll be back next season.
- The scene between Syd and David in the forest. His whole line of questioning was interesting and that of the audience a bit too. It was part tease, part great character moment. I was waiting for some kind of reveal there, yet not really, but it was great to see the way his mind has been thinking about all of this.
- Pretty much all of Oliver's scenes, lol, he's just a fun character and they picked the perfect actor to inhabit him. I'm also pleased to see he'll be back next season as well.
- Aubrey Plaza's performance was spectacular from start to finish. I say that as someone who was never a fan of hers before this. She really shined throughout the entire season and her scene with Syd and later with David inside his head was terrifying to watch. This thing that looks incapacitated, but you know is so desperate and crazy that they won't give up and will ultimately find a way. The tar feet, the ride South at the end, SK part 2 coming our way, haha!
I will be one of those people that says I wish we would've gotten more answers, but I suppose the unreliable reality is just so apart of the shows fabric and story telling that it's not just a device used to mess with us, it is the view point of the show. So, I should get used to not seeing that as something answerable and see it more as just how the lens is fixed on this particular world. And I'll stop being so greedy for things that are already amazing, 😜
But I really need to see it again to write something more constructive. This was long again, apologies.
Yes, the beginning was suspiciously non-mind-fucking... we aren't used to that lol
But when they tied David to that bed and started the experiment, the fun began. Everything after that was just the way we like it. The last scene with Oliver and Lenny driving in a car was a perfect ending imo. Lenny looked like a good clean girl again. Oliver asked "where shall we look first?" and Lenny said "some place warm". I have no idea what they are looking for... I guess we'll find out next season.
Right, I guess not being used to it is the best way to express it. It's like living on a boat your whole life and suddenly moving into a regular house and having to get used to walking on land more...if that analogy makes any sense, haha
But it wasn't devoid of that mind fucking, like you said the experiment sequence was great. I loved seeing David watch his whole life go by, all the moments we have come to know, and confronting DYE/Lenny at the end and him asking who he is without her. I thought that was a particularly touching moment and really sets up his struggle to come.
I suppose, really, for me...the parts were better than the whole this time around. But that's fine, my love for the show isn't destroyed or anything. I was expecting one thing and got another, and that's how it goes sometimes and that in and of itself is a twist! I'm still incredibly excited for what season 2 will hold.
p.s. as to that moment with Oliver and Lenny in car...thought it was a cheeky inclusion of their car being named 'President.' Hm, now what might that say about their role to come as well? Yikes...or just self-inflated egos, hah
"I was expecting one thing and got another, and that's how it goes sometimes"
I guess they had to wrap up the season somehow, and this approach looked like the best option. Anyway, I wasn't disappointed.
"thought it was a cheeky inclusion of their car being named 'President.'"
As soon as I saw that, I thought I'd google it to see if that car really exists. It does. It's called Nissan President, here.
P.S. In the last scene we heard that Oliver and Lenny are looking for something. Maybe that ball that abducted David is taking him somewhere, and Lenny is searching for David to inhabit him again?
People with differing opinions, the stuff discussions are made of! It's all good, I certainly don't expect everyone to feel the same way about the episode as I do. Some will, some will totally love it, and some probably hated it, can't please everyone! Nor should they try to. I still adore the hell out of the show!
Again, ace choice of a car for them to be riding in. I think they make one heck of a pair, I know I'm pretty scared thinking of what they could get up to together!
I think Lenny is still looking for what she was in the last episode when she was asking Amy stuff and saying, "where is it?!" I just assumed it was the same thing, I could be wrong though. They're going South as David indicated (by the way does he know that through his connection with DYE or just by using his telepathy?)...I wouldn't be surprised if it's a non-literal 'South,' but that kind of thinking is maybe what got me in trouble this time 😛
p.s. for the record I did just rewatch it and liked it more, as a whole, this time around now that I knew what I was getting into. Time for a binge, hah
"I think Lenny is still looking for what she was in the last episode when she was asking Amy stuff and saying, "where is it?!" I just assumed it was the same thing, I could be wrong though."
Right, thanks for reminding me... I forgot about that. You're right, it's something Lenny has already been looking for previously.
I just remembered that in one of the earlier episodes Lenny also asked something like "where did you hide it?"... wasn't she? I think I remember Lenny saying this, but I'm not 100% sure.
Did it leave you still wanting more is the only question you need to answer?
Not every episode can surpass the previous one in any show you can name. We forget sometimes that writers are not gods and it really is getting harder, it seems, to come up with really great original content and direction anymore, so hold on to those few shows that dare to be different but understand that the writers are only human.
What we really need is a mutant writer who can perform miracles with every episode lol.
Well now, please don't misread me, I didn't hate it in any way. I still thought it was a satisfying enough finale. I'm not someone that thinks all premieres and finales need to be absolute showstoppers. I already cop to the fact that I probably expected too much out of it, but that's the standard they set up!
I think getting the more conventional side of it just threw me off after getting so much mindfuckery in all the other episodes. I don't care if they top one another or are better than the last...I care that they're consistent and thoughtful in their approach, of which they very much are. I'm not dissing the entire show or episode by expressing slight surprise in not having been as into it as the others, if anything it's a testament to what they've done!
I agree that people don't understand the work and effort writers have to go into to produce these great shows/stories. I have a lot of respect for writers or creators of that kind, in general, and certainly for Legion because of the bar they've set up and what they've delivered so far. My statement is simply that in a season with continual ambition and boldness and twisted-ness, the finale was shockingly tame compared to all of that.
It's not really a good or bad thing necessarily, in my opinion anyways, it's just an observation and a feeling I personally had while watching it. And yes, I do want more and plan on watching the show till its conclusion really, as I do love it.
I was not underwhelmed, I really loved the episode. It made a lot more sense in the linear storytelling sense. There was only one scene where I was questioning 'is this real or astral' and it was actually kind of nice to have a concrete ending after so much astral faffing about. I mean, I enjoy the faffing about too, but I did not want it to end on a big question mark of like, 'was it all a dream?' That would have pissed me off.
So, storywise I think they did a good job by making the finale more concrete.
The writing was also really good, so many quotable lines.
Stylewise, I just LOVED the episode- the art direction, the visuals, the music. all top notch.
The acting was wonderful and they gave several characters their own really nice moments and story arcs. It was a very generous episode in that way. It wasn't just 'The David Show'. It gave the interrogator a beautiful 10 minutes of backstory. It gave cary/kerry a touching break up/makeup story arc. And it gave Oliver and Melanie a beautiful and tragic story arc. Plus of course David and Syd. The main arcs were about couples- there was a twinning motif that kept being repeated.
In the end, the episode was just about love. Different kinds of love between different types of couples.
What I still cannot understand is why should I even care about that guy? The interrogator, whatever his name is, I mean, he's not even a threat to David, so? They dismissed him at the beginning of the show and now they just bring him back, like some sort of a relevant threat, lol, why? [we'll see]
About the Oliver and Melanie 'arc'... We don't know much about them besides they were a couple before he became a coffee maker ;)
Syd is the most interesting counterpart, in my opinion, because of her fuzzy, deep connection with David. Which it hasn't been explained yet, but still...
BUT. Like I said below, they look real until you touch them. Those guys are strangers.
However, glad you loved the episode. I liked it too. A very down-to-earth approach. Cheers
Took my time to get around to watching the finale here.
Kinda underwhelming would be the right label for me. At least when it comes to the intricate build up of possibilities regarding Davids mental health, different personalities, unreliable narration and switch between real and astral plane etc. The finale was the most straight forward of them all, and was a bit of a let down - even if I wanted it more straight forward most of the season hehe.
But it was not disappointing in the least when it comes to the music, editing and photography. The two last episodes of this season was a joy to watch for the sheer art they made in the making of it.
Season overall was a very tasteful and inventive (almost playful) fresh series with a bit of a letdown when it comes to the solution they chose to the seemingly ambitious and confusing storyline and the psychological aspect of it.
Yeah, I'd say we're about on the same page as well. You summed it up nicely. It wasn't a waste of time by any means, and maybe for several other shows this episode would've been its best, but...like you said, all that build up. A lot have pointed out how Ch. 7 felt more like the finale and this was a wrap up and I'm almost inclined to agree.
I'm sure that was intentional, it was as bold a move to make the finale more linear/conventional as was any other crazy part of this show has been, ya know? They made a decision there and stuck with it and for that I commend them, but that doesn't stop me from feeling a bit in the middle about how that all went down. I just keep in mind this is only the beginning, and what a beginning it was!
By the by, are any of you gonna stick around here during the hiatus or nah? Just wondering, because I think it'd be great to have some more in depth critical discussions while we have the time and space to rewatch, revisit, or just think about the layers/nuances of the show...or maybe I'm just that much of a dork for Legion 😜
I've read two articles today, already, that I think would be worthy of posts, but now that the season is over I wasn't sure if people would be around so much and/or would be interested in doing so.
I don't know if I will stick around that much longer but I'd be interested in reading good articles.
There are other shows that I like starting up soon. I'll be in the boards for Better Call Saul, Fargo, and maybe the new Archer Dreamland. I never watched Archer before, but I like the old timey comic book look that I've seen in the previews for the new season.
Also, this is a completely different genre so I don't know who else would be interested, but the new (and final) season of River Monsters starts April 23 and I will post on that board.
Can an episode ever leave you just, like, whelmed?
It went in the absolute opposite direction I thought it was gonna go. Which was great! And I think I might be slightly psychic, because I had "Shine on you crazy diamond" playing on repeat in the beginning of the season.
It started of "normal" for a Legion episode. But as they started to root out Lenny things got back to our normal.
I liked that whole sequence of the SK being deleted from his memories.
Syd's the one ending up making a bargain with the SK.
Lenny casually strolling out of Summerland inside Oliver.
Someone zapping David like a Pokemon! Now wtf kind of a cliffhanger was that?!? (I mean that in a good way)
I don't care for Birds love troubles though.
Also, I'm not that sure anymore if D3 were ever Villains. Summerland could be a bunch of terro... um, freedom fighters.
There's more, but I need time to process.
I think we're very much on the same page and you summed up a lot of my feelings very well! Whelmed works, because it wasn't awful, but it wasn't amazing either...it was right in the middle, which ya know, is okay. Not everything can be insane and fantastic 100% of the time, their batting average is already, well...above average!
I also agree about the way we view D3 and Summerland. I think there are gray areas to both. Neither of them are wholly good or bad and both basically want to take out the other...it brings up a lot of really timely and touchy subjects in regards to how beings interact with each other. Melanie's dinosaur speech should worry us, she was basically saying humans are going to go extinct and the mutants will reign. Clark's fear of them is very valid, I'd think, since I assume we're all coming at this from the human perspective, hah.
They humanized Clark and blurred the lines more with Melanie creating a very muddied ground between the two of which one is really on the right side of this thing, maybe it'll switch back and forth as the story goes on? Who knows, but I've been weary of Summerland's initiative since the start and I can't really say that's changed too much.
p.s. I love your use of, "our normal," haha....so true.
The feel of the finale was kind of a twist in and of itself. More straight forward. Still it kept some of it's core crazyness. That's my biggest fear going forward. The show's been so heavy on the mind-bending-ness, that that's been the thing that we've become accustomed to. So I'm interesting to see how they're going to keep it up, but still move forward into more real world territory. Does that make sense?
I liked the humanizing of the Interrogator. These things always lie in some sort of grey area. And seeing how Bird feels on the whole human vs. mutant issue I'm not surprised D3 are afraid. Any big government organization would be, regardless of their intent with the mutants as a whole. Both organizations are acting out of altruistic motivations, from their own point of view. Plus grey areas are always more interesting to explore, than cut and dried good vs bad.
But I agree Summerland has been a bit shady from the beginning, though we haven't spent much time so far in the real world to see their true intentions.
>That's my biggest fear going forward. The show's been so heavy on the mind-bending-ness, that that's been
the thing that we've become accustomed to. So I'm interesting to see how they're going to keep it up, but still
move forward into more real world territory. Does that make sense?
Yes that makes sense to me and it's a somewhat common opinion I've been seeing with it. I've read things where people are worried that if you take away the flashiness of it or its brand of weirdness what's left is kind of thin and empty. But also it's just a hard model to sustain, and as we saw with the finale that's not always what they're going to be aiming for so we should adjust our expectations or thoughts of what the show will even look like, I guess. I wouldn't be surprised now if next season is more like the finale in terms of more linear and straight forward story telling/plot. Not that there won't be the mind-bending stuff, I am sure there will, but it might not be hammering that home like it did a lot for this season. If you're show has become synonymous with being mind bending, but you're not always in the mind to do that then what? Well...as far as we know, haha
Yes, it seems David is or will be caught between two big factions, that both want/need him, and he just might not like either of their plans or attitudes or treatment towards him...I still have the feeling he'll end up on his "own" or on the run for a bit. Ugh, this hiatus is gonna be a bitch!
If Melanie's sentiments are to be taken as the whole group's manifesto, they sure do sound like bad guys. She wants to make humans go extinct. We've seen this softer side of her always pining for her missing husband and stuff, but she is a freakin hardcore jihadist. She might be the scariest character besides the SK.
shareWhat a fucking fantastic Season!! Great TV looks like this. I will watch this season over and over. So many layers- so rich.
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Can you be "whelmed?" LOL! That's great! This points out one of the many oddities of the English language. You can be underwhelmed, but you can't be whelmed. You can be uncouth, but you can't be couth, etc. etc.
I LOVE this show, and I LOVED episode 8, but not as much as Episode 7. But then that would have been impossible since Episode 7 (especially the Bolero scene) was the most amazing thing I've ever seen on TV.
My prediction of David going to the dark side was totally wrong, but I'm glad it was. I liked this ending much better. Noah Hawley, as usual, threw us a giant curve ball, and then gave us not one but TWO cliffhangers. Outstanding!
Questions:
Do you think he already knows where he's going in season two, or is he going to make that up now?
Does anyone know when season two will premier? I'm already having withdrawal symptoms.
Do you think the flying orb is from the Sentinels?
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I wouldn't jump to say David won't go darker just cause we didn't get it in this finale...I still very much think he's going down that road. That sort of journey, though, tends to be a more gradual, character arc, kind of thing.
I'm sure Hawley has some idea of where he wants to go. I wouldn't be surprised if he's written bits and pieces of it here and there already...although he has like a billion projects right now, so I don't know. I wonder when the writers meet to break the season, if they've had some talks already even before it was renewed (they probably already had the feelers for that long before we knew). He seems like a pretty smart and together kind of story teller though, so I would bet he already knows what the end of the show might even look like....that's the trend with shows these days anyways, most show runners come in knowing the entire scope of their story. I think that's great because it gives the show a real tightness and momentum and lets them tell such fully developed stories.
Oh I agree. Going dark is something which remains on the table. I just thought it would occur in Episode 8 as the big final twist. Hawley fooled me there, the sly devil!
I also agree that he probably knows the general arc of the story he wants to tell. They just have to fill in the details now. Can hardly wait.
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Overall the season was great. A lot of amazing flights of the imagination. And I was wrong with my predictions as well. But I'm glad I was. If I could come up with something better, I'd be the showrunner, and they'd be sat at home watching :D Still though, there's planty of time for David to go dark.
As to your questions, I have no idea. And I expect the withdrawal to kick in as soon as I'm done with my binge.
And that orb threw me for a loop. What was up with that?
"Flights of the imagination," I love that way to describe it! I'm okay with my predictions being wrong too...it makes it even more unpredictable which makes it more exciting. I mean, who would've thought Ch. 8 would've been so tame compared to the others? As much as it was probably my least favorite, that catching me off guard, kind of makes me love it more.
Did you get through your binge? I managed to get through 5 of them so far and plan on finishing it all up soon...and then, like you, I assume the withdrawal will begin and be enough to admit me to Clockworks 😋
So far I've gotten through the first three. Which is the hard part over for me, because if I'm absolutely honest, they got a bit repetitive up until the end of episode three. I'm picking up on some little things that I didn't notice before, though I'll forget them as soon as I'm done probably lol
shareI can see how the repetitiveness would creep in when watching them altogether like that. There was lots of retreading over certain moments and scenes and "memories." I think that may be what people use when they criticize it for not having enough forward plot going on, but I don't really blame a show as dense as Legion for doing this.
Not to mention they all become important to the plot eventually, no? Well, some we yet to know really, haha. I picked up on a lot of things too, mostly just how they gave us glimpses to a lot of things we would later see explained or explored more. Oh, the details! I'd be curious, in your case and any other fans case, if binging it will imbue their understanding with anything greater.
It was a much more "easy going" this time around, because I could focus on the details and how they fitted in, than the whole repetitive structure. But it did serve a purpose.
I did pick up on The Eye being with Summerland in the beginning and how they parted ways because he liked hurting people. SK influence there maybe? I completely missed that part the first time around.
I'm not finished with my binge yet, but I'm sure it'll make things clearer now that I know were it's going, and I can focus my attention on specific things, and not just guessing what's going to happen. Though it's still confusing as hell lol
Once you get the overall plot and feel of the show, it does make it easier to focus on everything else orbiting it. That's where the fun of rewatches come in because there's always something new to pick up on.
Your idea about SK influencing The Eye is the same one I had after Lenny said Walter, "understood," in Ch. 6. That line stood out to me, I didn't get why that would be the case unless he and SK had had some history or had been inside him before David. I still have to believe we'll see The Eye again, if not seems like a wasted character really and someone quite powerful in his own right, plus his connection to Summerland deepens his overall connection to the show.
You can answer this after you binge, if it makes more sense for you to do so, but do you think the show would be better in the Netflix structure of throwing all episodes up there at once...or do you prefer it week to week?
I had an inkling that they were involved after that scene (well, after I learned who this Walter person was lol). But Bird mentioning that earlier, made me think that, yeah, SK could've actually been influencing The Eye years back. He seems to have the powers that SK goes after, powerful telepath or whatever you call it. And I hope we see more of The Eye too. He died really weirdly. If he's dead dead, maybe we'll get flashbacks sometime in the future.
I'll have to get back to you about the structure :)
I could see him being an adequate vessel for SK before David came along...I mean who knows how many hosts its had to begin with! David's probably just the most powerful, but anybody that has reasonably awesome powers would probably be enticing in some way. Then again, we still don't know much about how SK operates, hell, we barely know who the "real," David is anyways since we've largely seen him battling/possessed by SK!
And I look forward to your thoughts about the structure. It's something I've seen brought up here and there and was curious what some of you might think.
She does have very scary views. But we're so used to seeing just one side of the coin in the real world (depending on which side of line you're situated), that some... moral ambiguity, I guess is welcomed. Things aren't always so black and white. And it seems like David will position himself in the middle of those two (D3 and Summerland).
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Hello, again!
I've just finished the last episode of the season and I'm going to summarise my thoughts here:
1. The cinematic experience is simply outstanding, from the camera placing and lighting to the subtle works of framing. There are lots of frames that I'll remember for quite a long time due to their full dedication to the story. Most of them are memories. Oh, the memories!
2. I'd like to point out the contrast of the asceticism in the labs and outdoors scenes with the warm, old-style persona the characters have maintained through time. It's been good not knowing when the facts occurred because it allows this sort of ambiguity that only reinforces the state of denial and tribulation inside of David's world. In your opinion? Yes, your honor! In my opinion, or course...
3. Costume design is lovely, in my opinion, especially Amy's outfits and Syd's with her distinctive style; oh! And, sure, our friend Lenny, who looked monstrously good all over the show. Kudos for all the glasses she's used in the course of the show, great choices! Ahem...
4. Following the line, they were very careful when it comes to chromatism. Perhaps I'll write something about the color palettes later. Those oranges and ochers are calling me...
5. The acting hasn't been that GREAT; this is, of course, my opinion again; but it has worked well for the purposes of the series. There are times when most of them are going to lose it, but perhaps that's just me. Audrey has been on point the whole show and so has Dan Stevens. He has convinced me.
6. The dialogues are one of my favorite parts of the show. They chat, they fight, they philosophy. Despite my reticence in the characters as people (don't worry, I'll talk about it in a bit), as real human beings, suffering, enjoying or whatever, they have made me love their moments, maybe not themselves but I did love the moments they've shared. I appreciate that.
7. The script was well-written (but you've already known it, haven't you?), with the strength that only an experienced, talented writer can put ahead... [Damn I'm tired]
8. The storyline is certainly refreshing. I've already watched Mr. Robot but it's not quite the same and having another batshit crazy show around fills my quota of TV insanity. It's something we can all appreciate here.
9. The plot approach... Um, I definitely have some disagreements regarding how they handle the storyline, but [Damn I'm tired] I won't delve into that right now. Just to say that I never saw the character development.
10. And now: Character development. What's real and what's not? They all seem to be real people to me and yet, it feels like a one-guy story and his toys. Sure, we can write a story of just one guy, one and only, why not? But he must be incredibly rich, figurately speaking.
11. I like the scene of the bird at the end of 'The Prestige' that recites: "Every magic trick consists of three parts. The first part is called 'The Pledge'. In this case, they've got us with the matter of schizophrenia. That's OK. Then, we've got the second part, 'The Turn'. We find out that David is probably sane. Cool. So, we see the third part, 'The Prestige'. Oh, wait! There's no third part. Because there are so many questions and so little answers. I think what brings a story together is people, not just moments (as good and entertaining as they can get). A simple guy or girl and their ability to grow.
12. OK. What about the Shadow King?-They say-. He got out so you can see that moment as the opportunity of David to find a new path. His moment of growth. Fine. That's true. What about the others? They've been spinning around David like planets and have no proper backgrounds. Why should I care about those folks, Carry and Kerry? What changes if Ptonomy or Dr. Melanie die? Nothing, because they're not real, just an illusion of friendship or comrade, in my opinion of course.
13. Beyond the previous points, it's a great moment to be alive. High-quality experience. The Bolero Scene, The Long Kitchen Scene, The Ice Cube scene, all highly entertaining and very well done scenes, plus we've witnessed the evolution of the girl from Parks and Recreation. Boo-yah.
14. Amusement? Would I be here if this was not so?
15. Not a emotions grower, IMO. Nope. I believe it's because of the reasons stated above (11, 12, etc.)
16. Influence? Yes.
17. Legacy? For sure.
18. Difficulty? That's what I love the most about it. It's mind-bending. One of those difficulties relies on so many unanswered questions (OK, I'll stop) such as: What happened with David's father? Or broader, what are all those secrets David was hiding at the beginning and what the hell happened to him when he was just a kid? Did his dad touch him? What? And why did the monster need a living host when he has used plain objects? (as stated for the fact that he is TWABITW)
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When did occur the connection between Syd, David and Lenny? Is David really sick? What happened to David's mother? Why did they dismiss TWABITW interesting line? After a while, it became irrelevant. What is this really about? Love? A young murderer? X-Men? (OK, no) However, I'll be looking closer and try to answer some question. These are some first impressions.
19. Chapter 5 is one of my favorites. Despite of being one of the weirdest, it's ironically one of those who feel smoother, grounded and with definition. Very tight, very well directed.
20. The production? Superb: The DYE is fan-fucking-tastic. It has given me the creeps through the whole show. The places are well put, good design, good exteriors and, of course, the memories aren't shabby in any way.
21. The music is another great aspect of the show. From Radiohead's tiny soundscapes to the chaotic world of Pink Floyd at the end of the party. We have little gems such as 'Oh! You Pretty Things', from one of Bowie's masterpieces, interpreted by the lovely Lisa Hannigan and Nina Simone to the other side. Also, Ravel's Bolero is professionally adapted for that magnificent scene that constitutes the peak of the series. And so on.
22/23. The edition is what made the show what it is now. Kudos for the team. The sound (or lack of) shows its value in terms of aesthetics and as a valid form to convey a message beyond words. Bravo.
24. The FX were good. Yeah, it's true sometimes they were a little off but that has not ruined anything, so let's just leave it in good.
25. So, in conclusion, the show stands right now as some of the best debuts of the decade and what it needs polish it will be worked from a position of dignity, solid creativity and fun. It has nothing to prove anymore.
Overall: 90/100
Well, the show is over. For now.
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See you around. Don't get lost.
Great summation, beto! I agree with you on the secondary characters, I think :D. They were just kind of there this whole season (especially that one guy that got stabed by Lenny). I would have liked a bit more development with them. I guess now that we've moved to the real world we'll get more of that next season. This one was more David realizing his potential, more that anything.
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Can't wait for season 2 already :c
Well done, beto! Take a bow!
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