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I don't think they know what the word "provoked" means

posted 4 years ago by kuatorises (7467)
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The marketing sold it this way, Godzilla fans certainly sold it this way, and Annoying Bobbie Brown's character certainly did too. It's "not Godzilla's fault", he is being provoked. NO. ONE. attacked him. Mechagodzilla doesn't even show up until the end of the movie. Humanity didn't pick a fight with Godzilla. Humanity has a right to defend itself against monsters that kill them and destroy the planet. Building a weapon against them isn't a crime or a "sin", so to speak. After years of monsters laying waste, that's called self defense.

I enjoyed the movie, but the whole "government and/or big corporation" is bad angle is PLAYED OUT; especially when it's not even true. No one came after Godzilla, he simply sensed the weapon being built and was enraged by it. That's not what provoked means. I had fun watching this movie, but this angle is overused and frankly didn't work this time around.

[–] christhaninja (5) 4 years ago

I get where you're coming from. Humans definitely have right to defend themselves, especially after 3 movies in this franchise have shown humans don't really stand a chance against any of the titans. However, for the "provoked" angle, Apex built a weapon out of Godzilla's greatest foe (at least until this point). I think that's what he sensed. Not so much that Mechagodzilla was being created, but that it was done with Ghidorah's head. I'd wager if they built it with a different power source or brain, Godzilla might not have noticed.

[–] kuatorises (7467) 4 years ago

I don't care. The logic still doesn't hold up. All the trailers portrayed him as "not himself" and Mille Bobbie Brown's character runs around - like the annoying little asshole she is - the whole movie reinforcing that. Apex is the "big evil corporation" with the mustache twirling villain. Brown's character literally says something along the lines of "This is all your fault" to him. This is tried cliche/trope doesn't work because it's completely untrue. Godzilla is 100% the villain in this movie even though the movie can't say it.

[–] UncleRuckis (2627) 4 years ago

Yeah you're right. Not only does godzilla attack humans for having the gall to want to defend themselves, but he's also the one who attacks Kong, who seemed content to mind his own business.

[–] Jeepster (1145) 4 years ago

You’re right Uncle, I didn’t get it either. We ALL KNOW that it had to do with this “Alpha” business but I just roll my eyes at that suggestion which to me is really stupid. The big G HAD to come for Kong because you know you, “This town isn’t big enough for the two of us & I’m the baddest dude in town”. Freaking please. Only ones who are going to go for this unfortunately are our male brethren who fancy themselves alpha males to impress the chicks.

Godzilla to me is supposed to check out any & all MUTO’s to see if they’re a threat or not. Once he satisfies himself that they’re not to my way of thinking this is supposed to pacify him & then he moves on. This IS the role he’s supposed to play. But he was in it for the kill against poor Kong who couldn’t even chill on his cruise without being hassled. Well I could understand if he thought or knew Kong was stomping his way through NY & that he was up to no good, causing all kinds of mayhem but as you said he was minding his own business not doing anything to anybody & he was in the company of humans so he had to know that Kong wasn’t our enemy so I don’t understand the full on attack against him.

The thing is I thought that maybe it was MechaGodzilla in a Godzilla skin that was responsible for attacking Kong. That would’ve made sense, but I was severely disappointed that it was indeed in fact Godzilla himself.

Now am I understanding this correctly, in that scene where Godzilla & Kong are roaring at each other where Godzilla has his foot on Kongs chest & has him pinned, when they both stop, he looks at him & nods his head. Now am I to assume that this signifies that he won the fight & that it was understood or am I wrong? Because I’m kinda confused by it but eh it’s just a flick & a mediocre one at that.

[–] kuatorises (7467) 4 years ago

And that would be totally fine if the movie presented it that way too, but it didn't. They were hell-bent on making it seem like poor Godzilla "couldn't help" himself because he was "provoked" by.....nothing. It's so blatantly obvious what's happening that I cannot believe they wrote the movie in a way that NO ONE says, "Yeah, that's not what's happening. Godzilla is wrong."

This movie was afraid to make Godzilla the bad guy or even lose. I don't understand the fascination with Godzilla either. He's pretty mindless. Kong has waaaay more personality and character. He works fine as a monster/villain, because that's what he is. He destroys. But I don't get the whole cheering for him, which is how most fans on social media - and the makers of this movie - were leaning.

[–] howgamer (3929) 4 years ago

I agree for the most part. I think Godzilla was provoked because Mechagodzilla was made from Ghidorah's DNA or controlled through/by Ghidorah's skull only partially because he is also partially controlled by a computer that makes him stall when a drink is spilled on it which sounds ridiculous lol. The tech in this movie made no sense, but it's a film about giant monsters fighting so it didn't really bother me much.

But, the evil corporation angle was boring. It's just humans trying to get a weapon to defend themselves against titans after they destroyed major cities multiple times, seemed fine. The writing in the film reminded me of BvS, but the effects were great and that's why most watched I think.

[–] kuatorises (7467) 4 years ago

I know that's what the movie and Millie Bobbie Brown's annoying Godzilla apologist defending character was trying to tell us, "You started this war", but the movie is wrong. No human attacked Godzilla first in this movie. He wasn't "provoked", be launched a pre-emptive attack because he sensed something he didn't like.

We live in an very paranoid and anti-government/corporation times. Our art reflects that. It doesn't even matter if the large powerful entity is right or wrong anymore - they are ALWAYS wrong because they are a large entity. It's a cliche and tired trope.