ending questions - 3% (2016) Discussion

[–] imdb-7644 8 years ago

Not "no kids", but "no nepotism".

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[–] cmc-07700 8 years ago

yes that too

there are no children on the offshore

i cant wait for a season 2 with answers because this paradise sounds crazy

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[–] shaylahc 8 years ago

i cant wait for a season 2 with answers because this paradise sounds crazy

YES!

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[–] lucad_99 8 years ago

That is assuming there will be a season two. Brazilian shows are often quite short, more like mini series. That could have been the end of it.

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[–] acencosv 8 years ago

I'm brazilian: Season two is confirmed.

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[–] dixiedragon 8 years ago

THANK YOU!! I just finished the first episode and am so addicted I went searching to see if a Season 2 had been confirmed - I wanted to get out NOW if not - I don't like to invest my time into a show that is going to leave me hanging with no resolution.

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[–] shieldfire 8 years ago

Else it would've been the worst cliff hanger ending ever?

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[–] MichaelMovieLoft 8 years ago

i cant wait for a season 2 with answers because this paradise sounds crazy

Same here. I binged through it in two days since it was really good. Lots of questions to be answered like what will become of Michelle and Rafael now that are part of the 3%? Michele got broken down and she is headed to rehab. I think she is damaged goods. Rafael seemed brainwashed after he went through with the Purification (either that or he is acting as he had been through The Process). I want to see Fernando and Joana in the second season as well since both are now displaced in their old lives. Fernando can't go back home since his father bred him specifically for The Process, and Joana is now wiser after going through with it. I could see them joining The Cause if The Cause is not dead yet.

MM

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[–] violettesla 8 years ago

^^All of this! And with Aline headed for the rehab too (I think? She was on the thing with Michelle) maybe The Cause can gain a new ally.

I hope the second season features The Process with a new crop of candidates, I really enjoyed each 'Test' and thought they were as clever as they were entertaining.

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[–] Camikka 8 years ago

You mean Rafael, not Gabriel.
I do not think he was brainwashed, he's still playing the part that he believes in the Process and in the Founding Couple so he can complete his mission, whatever that is. I like how they made us think of him as someone completely selfish and Michele as the good girl and at the end of the last episode that was subverted. He gave up his dream of having children for the sake of the Cause and she made a deal with Ezequiel just so she can meet her brother again.

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[–] MichaelMovieLoft 8 years ago

Yes, Rafael. Sorry, I was tired when I wrote that this morning.

The smile on Michele's face at the end leaves it open. She was broken down pretty good by Ezequiel, and after minutes of looking at the film of her brother, it was probably a lot to bear. Raphael is the stronger and more resourceful of the two, so he may not be brainwashed (I think he is still playing the part as well). And big question is, what if "paradise" is all they want? After all, this is the farthest The Cause has gotten within The Process. We will have to wait and see if a second season is commissioned to find out.

MM

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[–] mrbeanesque 8 years ago

it's a dystopian future, not paradise lol

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[–] Audrain 8 years ago

It is a bit crazy; it's a utopia of a sort in a very dystopian future. Thinking about the state of the world today, though, with steadily advancing technology and massive wealth and geopolitical inequality, it wouldn't take too much to get to such a place.

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[–] veictor 8 years ago

1. He's definitely not a good person.

2. I guess you didn't get the message, the process is a corrupted system, so Joana is actually much better, because she understands the she doesn't need to be part of it.

3. People would be more selfish in this reality.

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[–] obeycrossliving 8 years ago

Honestly, I don't want to sound like I am evil. But Ezequial in my mind does not seem all that bad....think of all he went through with his wife, that episode with the flashback from ezequial was really well acted and in that episode he seems to truly believe in the process before his wife became depressed.... and honestly the show doesn't do that good of a job convincing me that this whole selection process was even that bad everyone that was suppose to be evil like ezequiel had way too much compassion for me to feel bad for all the poor people in the Inland.

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[–] veictor 8 years ago

Yes, letting 97% of the population rot is really humane.

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[–] Movie_Guy79 8 years ago

Dis they ever mention why no one on the mainland I farming, or running the city?

The 3% aren't letting anyone rot, the 97% are letting themselves rot (for reasons unknown).

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[–] Camikka 8 years ago

I don't think they explained anything about society on either side, apart from the Process. I assume people farm (where in that wasteland I don' t know) and assume they have some kind of trade and jobs in the Inland.

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[–] htturk 8 years ago

There has been nothing revealed about the Offshore other than propaganda. The new 3%ers maybe in for a big surprise.

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[–] dixiedragon 8 years ago

But in an already over populated world where is the line drawn? How do you determine where resources (food, clean water, fresh air, etc.) are allocated? This has been played out in a number of sci fi flicks - several using a lottery to thin the population, several using games, heck, even Hitler tried it by euthanizing huge blocks of the population in the name of ethnic purification. Brilliant series, very surprised because I've watched Brazilian soaps and there is just no comparison - doesn't feel low budget at all.

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[–] yaroslavc 8 years ago

yeah i definitely think if they continue on for a second season , which i hope they do, that ezequiel will have a lot more in terms of secrets and hidden motivations to be revealed. especially with hiim saying that he at one point was part of the cause...although it could have just been something he was saying to get michele to admit to being a part of it, but seems more of plot point to continue on in an additional season.

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[–] su_blime2005 8 years ago

Honestly, I don't want to sound like I am evil. But Ezequial in my mind does not seem all that bad....think of all he went through with his wife, that episode with the flashback from ezequial was really well acted and in that episode he seems to truly believe in the process before his wife became depressed.... and honestly the show doesn't do that good of a job convincing me that this whole selection process was even that bad everyone that was suppose to be evil like ezequiel had way too much compassion for me to feel bad for all the poor people in the Inland.

I agree with you! I have some theories towards the direction of the show that support such a claim.

Hear me out... **spoilers ahead**

Ezequiel dropped the bombshell that he 'was with the cause' but he now knows which side is the right side to be on. Hard to believe this statement is truthful since he is struggling with the grief of what the "right side" did to his wife's psyche. You can see that he is still into helping the inland people based off his interaction with his step son.

Ezequiel allowed Michelle to become one of the 3% because he still agrees with the cause and wants an ally.

Ezequiel had to get rid of Aline because if the council were to find out that he was helping inlanders he would be removed of his position, and his 'cover' could have been blown.

The situation with ezequiel and Joanna seemed to be fairly secretive, in the sense that not many (Including the head of security) or any other 3%ers know exactly what took/takes place during that interview. Joanna was one of the if not the most talented processee during the entire first season. Ezequiel realized this and turned her against the offshore in an attempt to steer her towards the cause. Possibly setting her up to take the place of the precious cause leader. Fernando could play a part in that situation as well.

Aside from the kidnapping of Michelle, Ezequiel did not do anything bad himself. Remember it was the head of security who shot the first girl. Sure Ezequiel made the order for her to interrogate them, but at that point the council was already aware of a potential mole, which forced Ezequiel to do something in order to not raise suspicion.

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[–] sunhamrobert 8 years ago

I agree, and have some ideas as well :

Ezequiel isn't evil, but it seems to me that he is quite difficult to understand.
Could he work for both sides interests ? I hope he wants to help the agents of the Cause inside the 3%. After his loss, I think he understands how children are important to humanity. Maybe he doesn't want Joana to be sterilized, so he gives her a test to fail.
That would be the 'optimistic' theory : a change is happening and Ezequiel is a good guy.
If he isn't, its actions still had a great influence upon the mains characters future.
The Offshore certainly is a mirage, an utopia. The price for a society with chosen people is very very high, the other 97% are paying it everyday.

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[–] abraxas1122 8 years ago

Your theory is quite interesting!
I almost wish Ezequiel was not evil.

But unfortunately there's are some moments where you can really see his ethical and moral mindset.

The most important, IMO, is the warehouse test. It shows you two things:
a) He was willing to let the witnessed atrocities happened. Things got out of control, people getting injured and dead, and he refused to intervene.
b) The other agents clearly showed how his decision to not intervene was controversial. They even claimed the test was already over... so you can't simply say that the events developed would be considered "normal" within the off-shore society.

Another one is Joana's final test. I almost wished the test was NOT to kill the prisoner. Joana deciding to kill him was failing, instead of the opposite. That would have been a great twist, IMO.

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[–] obeycrossliving 8 years ago

And before anyone starts saying I have no soul for rooting for the 3%. I was very sympathetic to all poor people in the hunger games. Its just the antagonist in this tv series doesn't seem as flawed. Everyone seems very humane even the 3%.

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[–] ricierij 8 years ago

They were not born in luxury as the antagonists in hunger games, all those privileged are survivors in the selection process. Some of them are a little sociopathic, though.

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[–] Fuzzy Green 8 years ago

There is definitely a mixed message going on with the opportunity to advance being either based on essential unity in teamwork or lone wolf self-sustaining behaviour. It's too hard edged to be decently socialist and the arrogance of established 3% doesn't support that either. Coupled with the political manoeuvres from the very start it's very far from a unified perfect society, the fact that only one murder has ever happened is a surprise, to say the least, especially when talk about how many candidates they kill on a regular basis in the main tests or for a having a contrary opinion at almost any juncture.

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[–] StammerCob 8 years ago

So one thing I didn't understand from episode 4: how exactly did Agata die?

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[–] Camikka 8 years ago

Maybe she was overly susceptible to the gas and succumbed from stress? Its effect lasted longer on her.

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[–] kira4ever 8 years ago

I kind of missed that too, but I assumed one of the Marco gang killed her.

"You guys are so un-hip it's a wonder your bums don't fall off."-Zaphod Beeblebrox

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[–] kaynospam 8 years ago

It's not clear if she did die, but if she did, it was probably the lingering effects of the gas, since she didn't seem to be in bad condition. (Though she could've been smothered/strangled by one of the gang.)

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[–] mroz-2 8 years ago

I'm only part way through the first episode but came here as I got the strong impression that there is no better side. Perhaps the governing structure is struggling to maintain society & can only do so by eliminating a problematic 3%...

Any opinions?

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[–] panayiotis-character 8 years ago

The only thing I don't get is Joanna. He kept her to the very end only to test if she could kill to leave her old life back? She already proved she wanted a new life at the "Vidro" episode.

They should also explain what motivates people on the island to contribute to their community. Sure when people are 20 would say "I don't want any kids anyway" but in 10 or 15 years the same people make families. Kids is what motivates us in life after a certain age.

I get the sterilization part but not the no kids at all. Their technology should allow them to practice eugenics.

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[–] Mehki_Girl 8 years ago

Eugenics doesn't work. Stupid people have smart kids, decent people have sociopaths, liars, and thieves, able bodied give birth to the disabled. The rich get their lying cheating stupid brats off for their crimes. They don't get drafted into Wars.

This way, although we see the process is far from perfect, probably because it's run by humans, people get by on their own merits. The question also becomes what is considered a merit.

Whenever anyone advocates eugenics, they always think they are the 3%. Lol!.

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